Deadpool & Wolverine Deadpool & Wolverine Spoiler Thread

[Cap2024]

And while the hype was that this would have HUGE implications on the future of the MCU.

I really don't understand at all what people mean when they say this:

1) Deadpool and Wolverine are set to work for the TVA in protecting the timelines. Hunter B-15 recruits their help in the end for future TVA missions (timing wise, that's going to be the next Avengers films). Deadpool and Wolverine are the only ones (outside of Loki) who got recruited by the TVA. This places them front and center.

2) Deadpool assembles basically an Avengers type multiverse team (Blade, Electra, Gambit, Wolverine) with the TVA at the end promising to bring them all back. This team will undoubtably factor into Secret Wars.

3) It brings Fox's Daredevil and Fantastic Four into the fold, it brought Blade into the fold (showing not only Fox and Sony heroes will later come into play; this potentially opens the door for Thomas Jane Punisher), it also hints that just the films made might not be the only ones to be included in some way in the multiverse (Gambit).

4) It adds new ideas that will more than likely be in Secret Wars: Anchor, Time Ripper, timelines can be saved.

There were a lot of seeds that will undoubtably impact the next couple of Avengers films.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I plan on seeing this again before I cement a rating on this movie, but I will say that I don't think this was peak MCU or one of my favorite Phase 4/5 offerings. My top 3 in post Endgame Marvel so far are GOTG3, NWH, and the very divisive L&T. NWH in particular spiritually is striving for what this one is one one hand, but I think NWH had more under the hood. I watched Deadpool 2 the other day, and this was more of the same as that movie essentially. But with a new coat of paint.

Hugh Jackman is great. I don't know how we can go back to PG13 Wolverine, lol! I get the feeling Hugh is just going to be MCU Wolverine now. They joke about him doing this until he is 90, but I think after this makes huge bank that's exactly the plan Feige and co have in mind. But Hugh gives this movie heart it desperately needs. Deadpool by the nature of his character throws out 100 jokes a second, and they have varying degrees of success. It's the Wolverine centric scenes that give this movie some emotional weight.

Cameos are fun. Cassandra Nova is awesome. Action in this one has cool looking sets, but Deadpool 2 definitely had better staged action set pieces.

In the end, first impression is 3.5/5. Maybe a 4 if you're seeing this in a crowded theater that is rabid for the cameos and such. It's a big, dumb Deadpool movie. The 3rd one we have gotten. By now, you know what this is and you're either there for it or not.

 

[Cap2024]

NWH in particular spiritually is striving for what this one is one one hand, but I think NWH had more under the hood.

NWH brought in all Spider-Men all of whom had the baggage from their films that impacted the MCU. That would undoubtably leave more of an impact on feelings of nostalgia and the MCU in those terms.

This was more in-between NWH and Dr. Strange 2. While there were cameos from past films (here more so than Doctor Strange 2), they all came across as variants rather than the actual versions from Fox (similarly to how Doctor Strange 2 handled it). Likely because the real old versions are being held in reserve for Avengers.

The give aways: Human Torch acting out-of-character (especially in the post-credits), Blade not having his trench coat, Daredevil's passing being reduced to a fast brief mention.

I'd put it more in the DS2 category instead of NWH. Cameos (albeit more of them), but not the classic ones.

 

[legendkillin]

Ummm were you at my showing cause my audience was the same way at least as the film went on. Like they were very excited at the beginning and clapped and cheered when the marvel logo came up heck they even cheered for Captain America 4 trailer. But after the Evan’s reveal they just got quiet save for Snipes as Blade reveal. They didn’t even clap for Laura or at the end of the movie itself.

Just got back. I thought it was pretty good. Better than Deadpool 2. The crowd was DEAD though...no cheering at all for the surprise appearances. Also...I didnt think it was as funny as I wanted it to be...maybe it felt like it thought it was more cute/clever than it was. And while the hype was that this would have HUGE implications on the future of the MCU, I dont see why it would since he ended up right back in his universe at the end. But it was fun and the two main characters have great chemistry.

I actually had a very good crowd that cheered and reacted to jokes/cameos. I haven't had a crowd like this since maybe the last Spider-Man or obviously Endgame.

 

[Spider-Fan]

NWH brought in all Spider-Men all of whom had the baggage from their films that impacted the MCU. That would undoubtably leave more of an impact on feelings of nostalgia and the MCU in those terms.

This was more in-between NWH and Dr. Strange 2. While there were cameos from past films (here more so than Doctor Strange 2), they all came across as variants rather than the actual versions from Fox (similarly to how Doctor Strange 2 handled it). Likely because the real old versions are being held in reserve for Avengers.

The give aways: Human Torch acting out-of-character (especially in the post-credits), Blade not having his trench coat, Daredevil's passing being reduced to a fast brief mention.

I'd put it more in the DS2 category instead of NWH. Cameos (albeit more of them), but not the classic ones.

I am not even speaking of in terms of cameo quality. I am talking quality of the writing, character work, story arcs, etc. NWH I think didnt better job tying it all together within the story, the themes, etc. Like I said above, more under the hood and executed better.

 

[Cap2024]

I am not even speaking of in terms of cameo quality. I am talking quality of the writing, character work, story arcs, etc. NWH I think didnt better job tying it all together within the story, the themes, etc. Like I said above, more under the hood and executed better.

NWH was definitely executed better, but to me it doesn't seem like they were aiming to replicate what that film did. Or at least aiming to replicate it any more than Doctor Strange 2 "did" (which to me is the more apt comparison).

 

[Spider-Fan]

NWH was definitely executed better, but to me it doesn't seem like they were aiming to replicate what that film did. Or at least aiming to replicate it any more than Doctor Strange 2 "did" (which to me is the more apt comparison).

I think NWH is more apt cause that was a celebration of Spider-Man in film and this was a celebration of Wolverine and the FOX X-Men. So spatially, I stand by my statement

 

[Cap2024]

I think NWH is more apt cause that was a celebration of Spider-Man in film and this was a celebration of Wolverine and the FOX X-Men. So spatially, I stand by my statement

EXCEPT - this WASN'T Fox's Wolverine. This was a Wolverine variant introduced into this film. He has none of the history that the prior Wolverines that Hugh Jackman played did. Akin to Patrick Stewart in Doctor Strange 2.

If it was a celebration of Fox's X-Men - Fox's X-Men would actually be in the film rather than briefly mentioned.

If they were going for the same feelings of nostalgia as NWH rather than fun cameos - it would have been the actual Fox characters (especially if it was meant to be a celebration of the X-Men and not just Wolverine, as you said), not obvious variants of them.

I stand by what I said.

 

[legendkillin]

I know the TVA was involved but since they sent them to the Void, I sort of thought maybe the smoke that feeds would be Galactus. We already saw this thing in Loki so it was a small chance.

 

[Spider-Fan]

EXCEPT - this WASN'T Fox's Wolverine. This was a Wolverine variant introduced into this film. He has none of the history that the prior Wolverines that Hugh Jackman played did. Akin to Patrick Stewart in Doctor Strange 2.

If it was a celebration of Fox's X-Men - Fox's X-Men would actually be in the film rather than briefly mentioned.

If they were going for the same feelings of nostalgia as NWH rather than fun cameos - it would have been the actual Fox characters (especially if it was meant to be a celebration of the X-Men and not just Wolverine, as you said), not obvious variants of them.

I stand by what I said.

It doesn't have to be literal. It's on the spirit in the entire movie and the reverence other characters have for Wolverine as an entity. We can disagree, and that's fine. I don't find your argument compelling

 

[Cap2024]

The reverence other characters have for Wolverine as an entity. We can disagree, and that's fine. I don't find your argument compelling

There was reverence in some of the scenes for a Wolverine that died - not this Wolverine. This Wolverine was intentionally made to be the most under dog version of Wolverine in existence. Basically a blank slate. That's not just me saying it - the film says that repeatedly. They also did this for gags.

Similarly they chose to make the Human Torch's characterization a gag. By making him act the complete opposite of Cap and near opposite of Fox's Human Torch. That was done for laughs rather than reverence. This is most on display in the post-credits. Albeit for solid laughs.

So, yes - we can disagree & I don't find your argument sound or compelling at all.

 

[Spider-Fan]

There was reverence in some of the scenes for a Wolverine that died - not this Wolverine. This Wolverine was intentionally made to be the most under dog version of Wolverine in existence. Basically a blank slate. That's not just me saying it - the film says that repeatedly. They also did this for gags.

Similarly they chose to make the Human Torch's characterization a gag. By making him act the complete opposite of Cap and near opposite of Fox's Human Torch. That was done for laughs rather than reverence. Albeit solid laughs.

So, yes - we can disagree & I don't find your argument sound or compelling at all.

The entire plot hinges on Deadpool needing to find a replacement for Fox Logan cause he was the center of that universe. Literally the center of it. Literally stated the universe couldn't exist without him, hence Deadpool needing to find a way to fill that void. The specter of that character looms over the whole movie. That's more central than MoM.

Feel free to disagree, but I think you're missing the subtext of the entire movie and looking at things too literally. To which I say, you do you. I don't see this the same way

 

[Cap2024]

The entire plot hinges on Deadpool needing to find a replacement for Fox Logan cause he was the center of that universe. Literally the center of it. Literally started the universe couldn't exist without him, hence Deadpool needing to find a way to fill that void. The specter of that character looms over the whole movie. That's more central than MoM.

Feel free to disagree, but I think you're missing the subtext of the entire movie and looking at things too literally. To which I say, you do you amigo

You are taking everything I said too literally. Plus, if you use reading comprehension you will see that I said in-between No Way Home and MoM.

I'm guessing / hoping you know what in-between means.

If the films was meant to have as much reverence for Fox as NWH had for the old Sony films -

It would have been Fox's Wolverine. If not that, there would have at least been cameos by Fox's X-Men to instill inspiration into this Wolverine. Think of how emotional it would have been if this Wolverine saw / met versions of the friends (from FOX) that he blames himself for the deaths of; not just for this Wolverine but the audience too.

Similarly, think of how more much emotional and gravitas there would have been if the Human Torch was the same one from the original films rather than an obvious variant (due to not at all acting the same way). The death would have mattered, instead it is intentionally meant for laughs.

However, Deadpool franchise isn't about reverence - it's all about irreverence.

Thus why the Wolverine they chose didn't resemble Fox's version at all (they weren't just different, this was the worst Wolverine in existence with no timeline similarities to the ones audiences are familiar with) - it's also why the Human Torch mainly served as a joke rather than the dramatic loss of a beloved character.

As said, you do you - if you want to say they aimed for it to be akin to a film that brought back the actual versions of the Spider-Man, their villains, and the baggage of those films - that's all on you.

To me, as said - it's in-between NWH and MoM. Its emphasis was heartfelt - irreverence.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You are taking everything I said too literally. Plus, if you use reading comprehension you will see that I said in-between No Way Home and MoM.

I'm guessing / hoping you know what in-between means.

If the films was meant to have as much reverence for Fox as NWH had for the old Sony films -

It would have been Fox's Wolverine. If not that, there would have at least been cameos by Fox's X-Men to instill inspiration into this Wolverine. Think of how emotional it would have been if this Wolverine saw / met versions of the friends (from FOX) that he blames himself for the deaths of; not just for this Wolverine but the audience too.

Similarly, think of how more much emotional and gravitas there would have been if the Human Torch was the same one from the original films rather than an obvious variant (due to not at all acting the same way). The death would have mattered, instead it's intentionally meant for laughs.

However, Deadpool franchise isn't about reverence - it's all about irreverence.

Thus why the Wolverine they chose didn't resemble Fox's version at all (they weren't just different, this was the worst Wolverine in existence with no timeline similarities to the ones audiences are familiar with) - it's also why the Human Torch mainly served as a joke rather than the dramatic loss of a beloved character.

As said, you do you - if you want to say they aimed for it to be akin to a film that brought back the actual versions of the Spider-Man, their villains, and the baggage of those films - that's all on you.

To me, as said - it's in-between NWH and MoM.

I understand what in between means, and I will advise you as an administrator of the site that if I stumbled on this post without actually being in this debate, you would be getting a warning point. You're essentially trying to call me stupid. So, chill out. It's a Deadpool movie. It ain't that serious. But do this next time, I aint gonna be advising you about your tone. You will be getting a point.

This is a consistent problem I have noticed with you. That's not going to fly long term

 

[Spider-Fan]

You started with the attitude. So you would be warning yourself as well. So, ready to cool it and chill out? Thank you.

I said I stand by my statement, which you then started saying sarcastically. I didn't mean sarcasm when I said it. I was simply saying I stand by my original post. You are the one who turned the temperature up. Which isn't the first time I have seen you do this on here. Again, not a good long term strategy

 

[Cap2024]

I understand what in between means, and I will advise you as an administrator of the site that if I stumbled on this post without actually being in this debate, you would be getting a warning point. You're essentially trying to call me stupid. So, chill out. It's a Deadpool movie. It ain't that serious. But do this next time, I aint gonna be advising you about your tone. You will be getting a point.

This is a consistent problem I have noticed with you. That's not going to fly long term

You started with the attitude. So you would be warning yourself as well. So, ready to cool it and chill out?

Sincerely, thank you.

As everyone can see I only just repeated you back at you:

So spatially, I stand by my statement

I stand by what I said.

We can disagree, and that's fine. I don't find your argument compelling

So, yes - we can disagree & I don't find your argument sound or compelling at all.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You started with the attitude. So you would be warning yourself as well. So, ready to cool it and chill out? Thank you. As others can see I mainly just repeated you back at you:

Again, I meant no sarcasm in those posts you quoted me. You did. That's the difference. I was being civil. Saying I stand by my original point isn't hostile. Saying I don't find your argument compelling isn't hostile. Saying I don't have reading comprehension skills IS hostile. Difference.

Enough with derailing the thread. You can PM me if you want about it. But let's get the train back on track

 

[Cap2024]

I was being civil. Saying I stand by my original point isn't hostile.

To your eyes, you were being civil.

To my eyes - far from it and hostile.

I responded to you the exact same way you did to me - going so far as to use basically your exact same words - thereby seeing how your posts came across to me by hearing yourself echoed back to you.

Granted, reading comprehension line was hostile. But, similarly I was taking a cue (albeit I went further) -

I think you're missing the subtext of the entire movie and looking at things too literally. To which I say, you do you. I don't see this the same way

As said, you're ready to chill out now (it seems like)? So, sincerely - thank you.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

EXCEPT - this WASN'T Fox's Wolverine. This was a Wolverine variant introduced into this film. He has none of the history that the prior Wolverines that Hugh Jackman played did. Akin to Patrick Stewart in Doctor Strange 2.

If it was a celebration of Fox's X-Men - Fox's X-Men would actually be in the film rather than briefly mentioned.

If they were going for the same feelings of nostalgia as NWH rather than fun cameos - it would have been the actual Fox characters (especially if it was meant to be a celebration of the X-Men and not just Wolverine, as you said), not obvious variants of them.

I stand by what I said.

I haven't seen the movie. Is it true they have a Fox X-Men montage during the credits? If so, that pretty much confirms the intended purpose.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I haven't seen the movie. Is it true they have a Fox X-Men montage during the credits? If so, that pretty much confirms the intended purpose.

There is, to that Green Day "I hope you had the time of your life" song

 

[Cap2024]

I haven't seen the movie. Is it true they have a Fox X-Men montage during the credits? If so, that pretty much confirms the intended purpose.

Reverence (NWH) and irreverance (DW) can both be nostalgic and come from a good place depending on how it's done.

As said, the obvious factor here - purposefully not the same versions of the characters, rather different versions intended for laughs. This stands out the most in Human Torch's depiction.

Although, I haven't seen it yet - I'd liken it to the Trek series Lower Decks rather than Star Trek: Generations, Star Trek (09), and episodes with the classic characters returning for them. To me, while they're both nostalgic and have love for what came before - they are obviously coming at it from two very different angles.

 

[Ninjablade]

The return of the Human Torch finally gives me what I've been asking for from Marvel all along, proper representation. Allowing Evans to embrace his inner-Bostonian will do wonders for us in media who have had to deal with being represented by the trash that is Mark Wahlberg.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Reverence (NWH) and irreverance (DW) can both be nostalgic and come from a good place depending on how it's done.

As said, the obvious factor here - purposefully not the same versions of the characters, rather different versions intended for laughs. This stands out the most in Human Torch's depiction.

Although, I haven't seen it yet - I'd like it to the Trek series Lower Decks.

That's not my point. It's clearly a love letter to the Fox movies, even if that love letter is written by a hyper active 13 year old. That's where Deadpool is from after all.

 

[Cap2024]

That's not my point. It's clearly a love letter to the Fox movies, even if that love letter is written by a hyper active 13 year old. That's where Deadpool is from after all.

Lower Decks is also a love letter to the entire Star Trek franchise.

NWH is akin to Trek: Generations, Star Trek (09), and classic tribute episodes with the original cast. Reverence rather than irreverance, continuing continuity from what came before it, and treated seriously.

If someone were to say that Lower Decks handled bringing characters etc. back the same way as those did or that they intended to - you're bound to come across many who would raise a brow. Same here.

Love letter (both Lower Decks and the Trek films/episodes I stated are) , but if anything it set out to be the anti (or irreverence version of) NWH rather than replicating it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Lower Decks is also a love letter to the entire Star Trek franchise.

NWH is akin to Trek: Generations, Star Trek (09), and classic tribute episodes with the original cast. Reverence rather than irreverance, continuing continuity from what came before it, and treated seriously.

If someone were to say that Lower Decks handled bringing characters etc. back the same way as those did or that they intended to - you're bound to come across many who would raise a brow. Same here.

Love letter, but if anything it set out to be the anti (or irreverence version of) NWH rather than replicating it.

You think Lower Decks lacks reverence for Star Trek?