Dexter - Part 4

[Maximus One]

If it's done well then who cares? As long as it adds something good to the story then thats awesome. Fanboys will be fanboys though

 

[Tron Bonne]

Is anyone saying it absolutely won't be good? It's more a question of how out of left field it is and how it rectons certain things. Don't jump to conclusions that every criticism or non-positive speculation amounts to 'It'll be ****!'

 

[Asteroid-Man]

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You can say it's not a recton, and that it is just new information we find out, but that's kind of what a recton is in a lot of ways. Especially when the character in question seems to know this all along, like what seems to be implied by the spoilers we've read.

No - retcon is pretending like it never happened. What this would be is more like Deus Ex Machina.

 

[Reek]

If it's done well then who cares? As long as it adds something good to the story then thats awesome. Fanboys will be fanboys though

i just find it stupid to introduce a character that

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knows Dexters secret.

if done right, which IMO it will probably be 'whatever', then fine.

 

[Tron Bonne]

No - retcon is pretending like it never happened. What this would be is more like Deus Ex Machina.

A retcon is a change to known continuity, Deus Ex Machina is when something random comes out of nowhere to save a character from so fate. I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.

 

[Ghostvirus]

The term Deux Ex Machina has been used to death. I am tired of hearing it.

Just based on the fact the entire thing is written down, shot, & planned out. Every single story is Deux Ex Machina. The only thing that is litterally Deux Ex Machina is the end of the Stand Mini Series.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Well, not really, but it's not a point worth arguing.

 

[Prison Mike]

I don't see how it is a retcon. Was it ever stated that

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Harry was the sole creator of the code?

 

[Tron Bonne]

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I don't think so, but when something defines your entire life and has been kept a stern secret for all of said life, you don't think the true creator/co-creator of the code would be mentioned or maybe even have the code named after them as well?

I mean, you can go into the semantics and call it what you want, but it's definitely a change to what we've known previously.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

A retcon is a change to known continuity, Deus Ex Machina is when something random comes out of nowhere to save a character from so fate. I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.

Sure, but in this situation, known continuity isn't being discounted. A random character is coming in to further the plot. Deus Ex Machina isn't only used to save a character from a fate - originally it was used in Greek theatre when a character was in a stalemate in the story where they were seemingly stuck until a God (Deus) would descend onto the stage in a chariot (Machina = Machine) to provide some wisdom, insight or direct intervention to move the plot forward. In some cases it was to save them from a fate, yes.

In this case...

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It's kind of like the story about the Code has reached a halt. They don't know how to further the plot. In comes a new character to shed some light on the situation and further the plot. Retcon would have been if all of a sudden it was this Doctor all along who's been telling Dexter the code, and the new season is established in such a way that it was never Harry that did it.

 

[Reek]

Harry has to be HUGE this season.

 

[Ghostvirus]

I have a feeling a lot of Dexter's past characters will make a appearance. Maybe even a Rita showing, Lila?

 

[Maximus One]

Lumen damn it! They ****ing have to at least let us know how she is! They let us know Trinity's family's fate. Even if it's just an off hand comment or something on the news or ya know, something similar.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Lumen damn it! They ****ing have to at least let us know how she is! They let us know Trinity's family's fate. Even if it's just an off hand comment or something on the news or ya know, something similar.

We know what happened to Trinity's family via season 6, right?

Sure, but in this situation, known continuity isn't being discounted. A random character is coming in to further the plot. Deus Ex Machina isn't only used to save a character from a fate - originally it was used in Greek theatre when a character was in a stalemate in the story where they were seemingly stuck until a God (Deus) would descend onto the stage in a chariot (Machina = Machine) to provide some wisdom, insight or direct intervention to move the plot forward. In some cases it was to save them from a fate, yes.

In this case...

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It's kind of like the story about the Code has reached a halt. They don't know how to further the plot. In comes a new character to shed some light on the situation and further the plot. Retcon would have been if all of a sudden it was this Doctor all along who's been telling Dexter the code, and the new season is established in such a way that it was never Harry that did it.

Okay, I guess I get what you mean, but I still would call it a recton over dues ex machina, but it's not a point worth arguing about.

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

I don't see how it is a retcon. Was it ever stated that

Spoiler

Harry was the sole creator of the code?

I don't think that "the code" needs to have such a complex story, the idea behind it is simple: don't kill innocents. And it's not like one person could be the creator of sg like this since many in Harry's situation could've thought like that.

 

[Gort Baringa]

Gosh, am I glad that I did not read spoilers for Season 7 here !!!!

The DVD just came out here in Australia two days ago and I have finished watching it - WOW - what an ending! Tomorrow I will begin reading this thread.

 

[Reek]

Not a spoiler really, but just in case

Series finale title:

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'Remember the Monsters?'

 

[Tron Bonne]

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting out

 

[Reek]

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting out

huh? I was just posting what the series finale is titled.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Oh, okay. Well, you put it in spoilers, so I thought maybe you were trying to say it implied something

 

[Gort Baringa]

Just asking - but with Dexter's mental condition, I am pretty sure that he could not be sentenced to a normal lock-up, right?

And if he is caught/surrenders, could it be because there is a chance that his 'condition' may be curable?

Yes I would like to see a happy ending for Dexter. And I did like Lumen (Julia Stiles) and I cannot understand all the hate for her character.

My biggest plot problem in the whole series: when Dexter rescues Lumen from Jordan Crane why hasn't the car that Dexter stole from the dock site been identified and Dexter been traced back as being there at that time?

 

[Maximus One]

Dude if that's your only problem you really haven't been paying attention. I could probably cite a dozen similar situations through out this show. As for the ending, if Dexter gets in any way shape or form "cured" I'll have a ****ing aneurysm

 

[Gort Baringa]

And I cannot believe that Deb's unravelling is all because she found out what Dexter is.

She let the two people go that were behind the curtain when Jordan Crane was killed. She was not being an honest cop in this particular instance. Did she suspect that one of them might be her brother? If so, the revelation in the church shouldn't have been such a big surprise!

 

[Maximus One]

It's Jordan Chase. Sorry, that was buggin me lol

 

[Maximus One]

They basically act like season 5 didn't happen. That's my biggest gripe with the show really. I loved season 5 too never understood all hate