Dexter - Part 4

[The Navigator]

Well, season 5 is pretty self-contained anyway (unless there's something I don't remember on Debra/Miami Metro side of things). If Lumen wanted to put the past completely behind her, it's not unreasonable that Dexter would move on too.

Plus if those rumors about Julia Stiles and Michael C Hall are true, I'd imagine bringing her back would range from "unavoidably awkward" to "nigh impossible."

 

[Maximus One]

Umm Quinn? Liddy? That stuff was part of the entire show's overarching plot and they just dropped it. That was the best part of season 5 in my eyes too. Quinn seemed like he was really onto Dexter then boom nothing. ****ing stupid

 

[Gort Baringa]

... what rumours?

 

[The Navigator]

Umm Quinn? Liddy? That stuff was part of the entire show's overarching plot and they just dropped it. That was the best part of season 5 in my eyes too. Quinn seemed like he was really onto Dexter then boom nothing. ****ing stupid

Oh right, Quinn. That was pretty stupid, but I guess they didn't want to make him Doakes 2.0. Of course, they failed to make him anything else...The show has always had a huge problem figuring out what to do with all the secondary Miami Metro characters anyway, should have had more of them killed or transferred. Liddy bought it as you knew he would, though--classic case of death by secret identity.

Honestly, the biggest dropped ball of season 5 was Debra not walking forward ten feet in the last episode.

... what rumours?

It's theorized that the two had an affair, which is why she left the show so abruptly (Poochie level abruptly), and why Michael C Hall and Jennifer Carpenter split up. Whatever that's worth.

 

[Gort Baringa]

"poochie level abruptly" Sorry, me stupid - don't understand the phrase!

I would have thought it would be uncomfortable for Hall and Carpenter to still work together?

 

[The Navigator]

"poochie level abruptly" Sorry, me stupid - don't understand the phrase!

I would have thought it would be uncomfortable for Hall and Carpenter to still work together?

And makes season 6's romantic subplot even more awkward/hilarious. But who knows.

 

[Gort Baringa]

Imdb (internet movie data base) lists most of the titles for Season 8 episodes:

A Beautiful Day
Every Silver Lining
What's Eating Dexter Morgan?
Scar Tissue
This Little Piggy
A Little Reflection
Dress Code
Episode 8:8
Episode 8:9
Episode 8:10
Episode 8:11
Gallows

 

[The Navigator]

Finale title is different from what was posted previously.

 

[Reek]

did they change it for sure?

Also, I don't think the Julia Stiles affair is true... MCH and JC seem to be pretty close friends still...

but that could just be all a show. It does make a lot of sense though lol

 

[Tron Bonne]

Just asking - but with Dexter's mental condition, I am pretty sure that he could not be sentenced to a normal lock-up, right?

And if he is caught/surrenders, could it be because there is a chance that his 'condition' may be curable?

Yes I would like to see a happy ending for Dexter. And I did like Lumen (Julia Stiles) and I cannot understand all the hate for her character.

My biggest plot problem in the whole series: when Dexter rescues Lumen from Jordan Crane why hasn't the car that Dexter stole from the dock site been identified and Dexter been traced back as being there at that time?

I really don't know, but with the sheer amount of people he's killed? I think an insanity plea wouldn't work, there would be too much pressure for them not to put him to death.

As far as a cure goes, though, I mean...he's already almost totally cured right? Hell, in season 7 he even explicitly says that he realizes he doesn't need to do what he does anymore. Though, I guess the show does tend to flip-flop on that. I don't know what I would do if he stopped killing and lived a rosy Hollywood happy ending. Something about that just doesn't sit well with me at all

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

For an insanity plea to work my understanding is you need to be able to prove that you did not understand the difference between right and wrong, therefore you did not understand the consequences of your actions. From what I've read to pull that off is extremely difficult and only works in a fraction of cases.

Dexter wouldn't fit the conditions for an insanity plea because too many of his actions were specifically done so as to avoid detection or capture indicating that he understood what he was doing was wrong.

 

[Matt]

The insanity defense is used in only two percent of cases. It only works in less than ten percent of those.

 

[Maximus One]

Dexter doesn't suffer from any real mental illness either though, unless his psychopathy counts. He was sort of a sociopath at one point but he's grown so much over the years that he doesn't really fit there anymore. He's definitely a psychopath though, but yea he's not insane at all. He knows full well what he's doing, he just thinks what he does is the right thing to do. Honestly if there's a trial I could see there being public outcry because he'll be ousted as te Bay Harbor Butcher and a lot people idolized him as the public knew he was killing "bad" people

 

[Tron Bonne]

Dexter doesn't suffer from any real mental illness either though, unless his psychopathy counts.

I mean, yeah...

 

[Reek]

he's a very neat monster.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Honestly if there's a trial I could see there being public outcry because he'll be ousted as te Bay Harbor Butcher and a lot people idolized him as the public knew he was killing "bad" people

I would imagine the Laguerta and Doakes deaths would complicate that narrative.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

I would imagine the Laguerta and Doakes deaths would complicate that narrative.

technically, Dexter didn't kill either of them

Doakes got blown up by that crazy British lady with the nice rack and Deb shot & killed Laguerta

 

[Reek]

the series finale ends with another season one celebratory scene

 

[Maximus One]

Ok let me demonstrate my point a bit better, Ted Bundy was a clear psycho/sociopath yet he suffered no real mental illness. He was extremely cunning and charming which is how he did what he did for so long. I'm just saying, Dexter really isn't crazy or insane in the technical sense. He's a massive narcissist and it's obvious in what regards he holds himself, his ideals and his "work." The thing is, when the show first started Dexter didn't really have a life outside of work and his night time activities. The beauty of this character is that while he was developing relationships as cover he eventually actually bonded and came to love not only his family but also his coworkers. Now, I will say it's always been obvious Dexter is bat**** crazy but not textbook crazy. He doesn't really fit any textbook definition of anything, a lot like Hannibal Lecter, he exhibits some signs but not fully. What I've loved since Deb found out is how he's taken that mask off when he's around her. Those were the most brilliant scenes last year. Dex actually trying to not only explain to Deb why he does what he does but also Hannah helping him question and define who he is as a person. I just hope they don't royally **** up this last season or chicken out. At this point, I want EVERYBODY to find out. I have to see Quinn, Masuka and Angel's reactions. I can see Quinn now "I ****ing knew it! I tried saying something years ago when his wife was murdered but NOOOOO!!" lmao

 

[Tron Bonne]

Well, I think most people in modern society would still argue that the want and need to kill is a mental illness. I do get what you're saying, though. I also thought of Al Budy at first, instead of Ted Bundy, which complicated this a lot when I first started to read it.

 

[Maximus One]

Lmao!

 

[Blue Moon]

The thing that complicates any potential trial or conviction on the show is the lack of evidence. What physical evidence exists that directly implicates or strongly implies that Dexter killed anyone? That's the core of the Code; erase any evidence and not get caught. Debra is the only living person to see Dexter deliver the justice so her testimony is the only thing that can put him away or reveal him. However, she's given Dex leverage over any potential ratting as he's witnessed her kill too. So any charges won't stick.
The real endgame is now between Deb and Dex. She feels powerless and alone with her guilt and shame while Dexter continues his charade. And with Harrison getting older, it should put more strain on their relationship. Hopefully the writers craft an ending playing on those themes of family and loyalty.

If it ends up being the "Law&Order" scenario and Deb is called to testify, she should recant her statement, bringing the trial and the media circus to a close. A few months later, Dex gets done with another kill and heads out to sea. Then, Deb: Surprise Mother****er! BAM headshot. Dumps Dex overboard to rest with his friends. Shot of Deb & Harrison riding into the sunset on the Slice of Life. It would be disappointing but the most obvious and safest ending.

 

[Gort Baringa]

I am still wondering (not disputing what some of you have said) why Dexter couldn't be classified as being insane? With the evidence of his brother - Brian Moser? (forgot the name) - being a serial killer also, it would seem that this cannot be disputed; Dexter is indeed mentally disturbed. Their desires to kill were triggered by the murder of their mother as children.

Deb has no excuse though!

 

[Maximus One]

But Dexter and Brian both know what they were doing was wrong. That's the key here, you're not insane in a court of law unless you can't discern between right and wrong

 

[Gort Baringa]

Yeah, I hear what you are saying, Dexter and Brian knew that what they were doing was wrong BUT they could not stop because they were mentally incapable of doing so. Call it a "dark passenger" or maybe even something demonic, they had to kill.