Dexter - Part 5

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I meant hero in the sense that whatever actions he takes its painted as good, it feels like there is no consequences for it. The death of Rita or forcing Deb to kill an innocent etc.

If Dexter is supposed to become more and more humanized over the series then by now shouldn't we be seeing him struggle to take a life. Cause you can't have him have the 'urge to kill' while also being 'more human'.

As of now I just don't sympathize with him, he just comes off as a d**k. With the way it seems they're going its gonna be Dex/Hannah happily ever after

That's true, they don't get into the morality of killing very often, though I guess it's arguable that you can see that contrast naturally with the fact that the people he kills usually do the same as him and are seem as bad. When Vogel suggested that psychopaths are needed, Dexter himself seem to reel, just for a recent example. His humanization comes more from his interactions with other people and how his "urge" to kill has slowly eroded.

But still, I don't feel like the show has ever really painted what Dexter does as heroic per say. I get what you're saying, that the lack of consequence may make it seem that way, just not how I see it. I don't know if the writers have ever talked about this, but I've always seen the Dexter as a hero more of an invention of fans than what we're shown on the actual series.
 
Why wasn't there a new episode this weekend? As if this season wasn't bad enough, I have to wait two weeks for a new episode? Smh
 
I think it was due to Labor Day weekend, but not entirely sure.
 
Why wasn't there a new episode this weekend? As if this season wasn't bad enough, I have to wait two weeks for a new episode? Smh


If you think the season is so bad, why do you even bother watching it? Maybe this week off is a sign to you and all the other like you to stop watching the show. :facepalm:
 
There's a spoiler floating around the web that
The ending shows Quinn becoming the new Dexter.
 
Here's the supposed finale leak posted on Reddit-

The episode opens with Dexter and Harrison waiting in the airport for their flight to Brazil. Dexter has no idea of the events of episode 11's conclusion. Harrison has a stupid line, If I remember right it was about his imaginary friend Dan not having a ticket, or won't be able to fit on the airplane, or something. It leads Dexter to start teaching Harrison about how Dan is not real. Dexter's oddly self reflecting speech is interrupted when his phone goes off. Hannah is panicking because Elway is right behind her, across the concourse. Dexter says he will handle it, and tries to calm her down, but his phone is interrupted by call waiting. Dexter looks and sees it's Quinn and ignores it. We get a little humor as Dexter calls in a bomb threat on a payphone to the airport using a ridiculous, and slightly offensive accent. Once again, Quinn calls Dexter and Dexter again ignores it. The airport is evacuated just as Elway spots Hannah, but he has no chance to get through the sea of bodies separating them.
Dexter and Hannah meet up at a bus station outside the airport. Hannah embraces Dexter and tells him how worried she was. Meanwhile, Harrison's wounds opened up a little so Dexter goes into the bathroom to clean him up. Dexter again gets a call from Quinn, after seeing he has seventeen missed calls. Dexter answers it prepared to be pissed at Quinn, but Quinn speaks first, saying what the ****, and I've been trying to reach you for the last hour. You need to come down to the hospital now. Deb's been hurt. Dexter tries to talk again but Quinn again interrupts him. "It's bad Dex..." and it sounds like Quinn starts crying. Dexter tries to calm Quinn down, but even his voice his shaky as he asks how bad. Dexter's inner voice comments on how annoying all these newfound emotions have been ever since he saw Vogel killed in front of him. Quinn responds barely fighting back more tears, saying that "They don't think she'll make it through the night"
Dexter tells Hannah what happened, and how he has to get to the hospital. Just then the tv at the bus station flashes with a news report once again calling Saxon a wanted man, then reminds people that Laura is making shore in the coming hour.
When Dexter arrives at the hospital, every one is there. It's like a giant family reunion, with Quinn, Bautista, Masuka, Matthews, even SGT Miller is there. Everyone is somber and tries comforting Dexter. Dexter asks to see Deb, but some nurses inform him that that's not possible.
Just then Elway shows up, and asks Dexter for a word. Dexter says it's not a good time, clearly fuming. Elway presses, and Dexter says he will give him five minutes. Elway starts to say that he thinks Deb is helping Hannah. Dexter snaps and shoves him up against a wall And screams asking what he did to her. Quinn drags Dexter off of Elway as everyone else sits there in stunned silence, having never seen that side of Dexter before.
Dexter is still fuming, and he and Quinn duck into an empty x-ray technicians lab. Quinn tells Dexter just before Deb was shot, he got a call from her saying she had Saxon. He then fills him in on discovering Clayton's body at the scene as well. Quinn says he has not told anyone that Deb called saying Saxon was captured. Dexter comes out of his rage for a minute and asks him why he hasn't told anyone. Quinn says because lethal injection is to good for that ****ing monster. Dexter asks Quinn why he is telling him this, and Quinn tells Dexter to "cut the ****" that he always had his suspicions but he looked the other way because Dexter forged evidence for him when he needed it. He tells Dexter he figured it out several months ago, around the Travis Marshall case. He tells Dexter how he sees the good in it, even going as far as saying Dexter has done more meaningful things than Quinn ever has. Dexter falls back into a chair and starts bawling. He tells Quinn everything, how he let Doakes take the fall for BHB, how Deb found out, how Deb killed Laguerta to protect him, and how he could not kill Saxon and has totally lost his urge to kill because f Hannah, and that he was planning on leaving the country with her. Quinn tells Dexter he will do it. Dexter gives Quinn the M99 and tells Quinn to watch out for a few of Saxon's tendencies. Quinn goes out to hunt down Saxon. He has the Dexter's knives that Saxon used on Clayton.
Saxon is trying to use the chaos of the hurricane and rely on people's fear of his public image to flee Miami. Before he can leave, however, there is one last thing he needs. We don't know what it is yet. We do know Saxon is growing very impatient with traffic, and, well, you know what happens when Saxon loses his temper...
Back at the hospital Dex is washing his face in the bathroom, and again the voice over comments on emotions but admits that the cry he just had was relieving. Elway is still in the waiting room but can see that Dexter is torn up so he keeps his distance. Matthews puts a consoling arm around Dexter and leads him to another room. He too is visibly saddened. He begins telling Dexter of the last few conversations he and Harry had before Harry's death, and the whole time you're sitting there waiting for the massive reveal that Matthews knows everything. Despite the scene being incredibly tense, nothing comes of it. The Matthews knows everything theory can finally be put to bed.
Quinn followed Dexter's advice, and finds Saxon at Vogel's house. Quinn pulls out his gun and spies on Saxon, trying to figure out what he's up to. Saxon is frantically searching for something. Finally, he finds it on a bookshelf, his mother's record of Mamma Cass. Quinn reveals himself, asking what a monster like Saxon would want with a record like that. Saxon comments on how it is one of the few things in his life that is "pleasant" for him. Quinn makes Saxon get rid of all weapons and sit down at the table. Saxon does. Saxon is bone chillingly calm in this scene, which makes it so much more tense for Quinn and the viewers. Saxon coldly says that the police officer he shot was nothing personal. He merely saw her as an obstruction to his freedom. Quinn flips out on Saxon, to which Saxon replies that he will always have an upper hand because he has no emotions, echoing Dr. Vogel's thoughts from earlier in the season. Quinn realizes Saxon is right and tries to calm himself. He asks Saxon to tell him a story. Confused, but obviously flattered, Saxon begins to recount how he faked his death and escaped an insane asylum, but in the middle of his story Quinn M99's him under the table.
Back at the bus station, Hannah and Harrison are both freaking out. Dexter arrives and tells them they are going to Quinn's place. Hannah tries to ask Dexter what is wrong but he refuses to tell her. Elway tailed Dex, but does not see Hannah. He follows at a distance but despite some fancy editing, again finds nothing.
Dexter goes back to the hospital. The nurses inform him Deb is in a coma and will need to undergo surgery. Dexter goes in to Deb's room, but can say nothing. He cries and holds her hand and then says that is all he wanted. He leaves the room.
Lights flash on in a dirty room, and we realize we are seeing something from someone's perspective. A blurry face slowly starts coming into focus. It's Quinn's. We are given a normal view and find that Quinn has taken Saxon back to his mental hospital and strapped him to the same chair that Saxon strapped his victims to.
The next scenes run parallel to each other. Wording may get confusing.
Deb is being prepped for surgery
Quinn rips Saxon's shirt open.
The surgeons lay out the surgical tools on the table.
Quinn lays out Dexter's knives on a similar one
Dexter watches from behind a glass as his inner monologue begins to speak about personal decisions, and their consequences
Quinn chooses a knife as Saxon look on, bound and horrified
Dexter's monologue talks about the monsters inside us all at one point or another in our lives, and how they can be channeled for good, but mostly just go on to destroy everything we love
Quinn is talking to Saxon. About his past, about his time at the institution, about Cassie, about Zac, about Vogel, about Clayton, and about Deb. At the same time you can tell a moral battle is waging on inside Quinn
Deb flatlines.
As the doctors rush to resuscitate Deb in slow motion while Dexter watches on, his inner voice comments saying so this is what it feels like to lose part of yourself as Dexter is dragged away by nurses and, though there is no sound of it, quite obviously screaming.
In that same moment, Quinn, who is now breathing deeply, sweating profusely, and crying slightly, decides to plunge the knife into Saxon's chest.
Saxon manages to say "Exhilarating, isn't it" just as he dies. Quinn is no longer crying, no longer breathing deeply, no longer uptight. He is calm, and relaxed. In another slow motion shot, he stands straight up.
Dexter is waiting with everyone else in the lobby as the surgeon comes out and shakes his head. Even Masuka sheds a few tears in this shot.
Dexter goes back to Quinn's and tells Hannah what happened. She comforts him. Quinn walks in the door and tells Dexter it's done. Dexter tells Quinn Deb is gone. Quinn seems numb to the news. He tells Dexter he needs to get them all out tonight, that he saw Elway's car a few blocks down.
They cut the Slice of Life free and set it on fire, and Quinn says he will vouch and say the three of them got on the boat and attempted to sail away. He gives them his car and Dexter thanks him for everything. Fade to black.

Fade back in on Miami Metro tuned to the news. Lady on the news describes the destruction Hurricane Laura caused, details the finding of Saxon's body and reports on hundreds of bodies washing up on shore, leading to the assumption that the infamous Bay Harbor Butcher may still be at large. During this whole time Dexter's monologue is about the mess storms make but the light that shines afterwards. Bautista comments on how they'll have to get right into this new Bay Harbour Butcher evidence, and how it's probably a copy cat. Quinn replies that it's not, to which Bautista says that Doakes was the Bay Harbor Butcher. Quinn says, maybe he wasn't and then leaves Bautista's office, as he gets a look of sudden realization on his face.
Cue Dexter sitting at a cafe in Argentina with Hannah while Harrison runs around. Dexter's inner voice is talking about is new feeling, hurt and loss, but he swears to look after Hannah and Harrison until he no longer can. His final monologue is about remembering the monsters. It fades to black for a good five seconds after this and you think it's all over.
We are surprised by a fade in on a man eating at an outdoor restaurant from the perspective of inside a car. Out of focus a figure can be seen at the wheel, turned away from us focused on the man at the restaurant. The camera adjusts to focus on the driver and we see Quinn. He looks directly into the camera, and a voice over belonging to Desmond Harrington says "Tonight's the night". Quinn smiles and the show cuts out, rolling credits.
It Would make sense given the amount of screen-time they gave
Quinn
this season, plus it sets up a spin-off with him as the main character. Personally, I think it's kind of a cheat.
 
You guys will be shocked to find out what they revealed about Dexter & Doakes (PREPARE FOR THIS CAUSE IT"S GONNA BE A SHOCKER! :wow:):

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You guys will be shocked to find out what they revealed about Dexter & Doakes (PREPARE FOR THIS CAUSE IT"S GONNA BE A SHOCKER! :wow:):

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That's not shocking at all if you've seen [blackout]Six Feet Under[/blackout] and know this is a similar parallel.

Which is the very amusing point.
 
Here's the supposed finale leak posted on Reddit-

It Would make sense given the amount of screen-time they gave
Quinn
this season, plus it sets up a spin-off with him as the main character. Personally, I think it's kind of a cheat.

If that's true it's still somewhat disappointing but less so than I was expecting them to pull. That somewhat validates [blackout]Quinn and thus saving Miami Metro from being completely blind to Dexter[/blackout] too.
 
Even though I'm not a fan of this season I think I'll avoid an entire episode summary :D Though as someone who follows twitter there has been one spoiler floating around which just sounds utterly utterly stupid.

It's that
Quinn is the new Dexter and the end of the show.
 
Holy crap, that spoiler is absolutely awful. That has to be the dumbest single thing they could do with this show.
 
I mean WOW. I know the whole protege and 'random dude you didn't know and had nothing to do with anything was really the main bad guy' ended up being true, but this is bad on an entirely different level.
 
I like the way the finale sounds after reading that, with a few exceptions, but minor ones... it sounds...moving. :)
 
You really like the random idea of [blackout]Quinn not only knowing that Dexter is a mass serial killer, but also taking over in his place and thinking it's some great honor? I mean, god, that has to be the worst idea this show has ever done.[/blackout]

The other stuff seems okay enough, but that is some straight up garbage on all fronts.
 
The last four seasons have been one giant, hot mess. That ending sounds appropriately forced.
 
I think it's been the execution which has let this season down.

I'm sure if I wrote down the events of this season so far it would sound pretty good but it has been put upon the screen in such a ****poor way that not many people care. I don't see how they can make that (I'll put this all in spoilers there is a POTENTIAL MAJOR SPOILER)
Quinn thing believable in just three episodes. Possibly less and it they likely wont even touch on it till the penultimate episode.

I go back to TDKR with this. It was floating around that John Blake's Robin was gonna become the new Bats and I was in the camp where that seemed downright STUPID! But Nolan presented it in such a way that it made me and many others believe it by the end of the film.

But yet again here if that Quinn thing is true it has come out of nowhere and I really don't think I'll believe it. If it was an idea that started the season and gradually progressed I think I would probably believe it by the end if the execution was decent.
 
It is a bizarre ending but it's less stupid than some of the other possibilities they could have gone with. I'm not cheering for that ending but it lessens the blow of it while adding a :facepalm: twist in order to justify this spinoff series.

Of all the ways to do it I wasn't expecting that so at least they got the shocking ending part right. I'll give them credit for that if this turns out to be true. Still ridiculous though [blackout]why they chose Quinn instead of say Batista or Masuka or even Deb except they plan to kill her off[/blackout] is a good question too.

Like I said before, it feels like they took all their ideas for previous seasons and threw them into this one.
 
You really like the random idea of [blackout]Quinn not only knowing that Dexter is a mass serial killer, but also taking over in his place and thinking it's some great honor? I mean, god, that has to be the worst idea this show has ever done.[/blackout]

The other stuff seems okay enough, but that is some straight up garbage on all fronts.
That is one of the few things I didn't really like or didn't seemed thrilled about and there were some of the WTF moments for me while reading, especially the ending scene, if any of this is even true. But him knowing, I like. I mean not really like, but it makes a lot of sense that he knew that, seriously.

PS: Was it confirmed that the series will have a spin off? I mean it would make sense if it ends that way? But still, was it confirmed? I Must've missed that, if it was, it's obvious where it is going, but it's gonna be Dexter all over again, with a different "Dexter"! :doh: It's gonna be weird seeing a monster with [blackout]EMOTIONS, assuming Quinn will still have them, but I guess he will! I think all of this transformation of Quinn is obviously because of what happens to Deb, maybe the fact that he also wasn't let to bust Zack & all, but mostly because of what happens to Deb.[/blackout]
 
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Highly doubt that spin-off talk is anything legitimate.
 
Of all the ways to do it I wasn't expecting that so at least they got the shocking ending part right. I'll give them credit for that if this turns out to be true. Still ridiculous though [blackout]why they chose Quinn instead of say Batista or Masuka or even Deb except they plan to kill her off[/blackout] is a good question too.
Actually [blackout]Quinn becoming a killer or whatever, makes more sense than Batista, Deb or Masuka (Masuka, really?). It doesn't really make sense, especially happening this fast, but I mean it makes more sense compared to the others. As for Deb becoming a killer, I think this would've been the worst idea, I mean I just don't see it! I remember people thinking this when the season began, but she would've never been able to do what Dexter did, she never really got to fully accept it if Dexter did it either imo. Heck, for me even Quinn is a shocker, but I'll say it again: out of all these characters - Deb, Batista, Masuka, Quinn - it makes a bit more sense that Quinn is the chosen one to be the new Bayharbour Butcher.[/blackout]
 
Highly doubt that spin-off talk is anything legitimate.
This is exactly why I asked! I mean it could very well be something only to shock us, doesn't mean it will be a spinoff if it wasn't confirmed that this was the whole idea. Besides, we don't need another "Dexter", like I said.
 
Actually [blackout]Quinn becoming a killer or whatever, makes more sense than Batista, Deb or Masuka (Masuka, really?). It doesn't really make sense, especially happening this fast, but I mean it makes more sense compared to the others. As for Deb becoming a killer, I think this would've been the worst idea, I mean I just don't see it! I remember people thinking this when the season began, but she would've never been able to do what Dexter did, she never really got to fully accept it if Dexter did it either imo. Heck, for me even Quinn is a shocker, but I'll say it again: out of all these characters - Deb, Batista, Masuka, Quinn - it makes a bit more sense that Quinn is the chosen one to be the new Bayharbour Butcher.[/blackout]
To be clear, I didn't mean they should have chosen any of them, just that out of everyone why [blackout]Quinn[/blackout]? The others make less sense but [blackout]Quinn[/blackout] still doesn't make sense either. In fact, why choose anyone? It's unnecessary for it to happen. This isn't some kind of tradition to continue.

A spinoff is the only explanation for something so out of left field but it's still out of left field. To end it this way without meaning otherwise is just bad writing. Like they lost their goal and meandered into something else entirely.
 
In fact, why choose anyone? It's unnecessary for it to happen. This isn't some kind of tradition to continue.
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Yes, I know. You have a point, maybe it will be spin off for this somewhat unnecessary thing, but maybe it was just for a shocking ending. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised either way, if there would or won't be a spinoff after reading this. But UNTIL anything is confirmed, we can only assume.

Bottom line is, a spin off on Dexter is pointless, like you said, it's not a tradition to continue.
 
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