Dexter

[kedrell]

Only way I think he could be real is that its too obvious he's not real, that its purposeful. I mean if its finally revealed he's in Travis' head its not gonna be a twist since it was so blatant.

Maybe only blatant to people who are so invested that they occupy their free time by talking about it on message boards. Most viewers I suspect are not so obsessed that a TV show(ANY Tv show) would occupy their free time more than the hour a week it takes to actually watch the show.

To that great mass of the majority of the audience, the Gellar-is-not-real twist would actually still be effective.

You can't please everyone all the time. Best you can hope for is pleasing most of the audience most of the time.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Only way I think he could be real is that its too obvious he's not real, that its purposeful. I mean if its finally revealed he's in Travis' head its not gonna be a twist since it was so blatant.

Either the 'twist' is going to come of as boring and predictable, or the lack of twist is going to have fans questioning why all the hints...

Personally I don't even know what one I'm hoping for now.

Hey, maybe the twist is even bigger. Maybe Travis AND Gellar are in DEXTER'S head!

 

[Number 6]

It seems to me that the people who are looking at whatever twist about Gellar as being cheap are just looking at it too hard. I really don't feel like they aren trying to make a grand mystery of it, and it's lot more like the parallels between Dexter and Travis that this is bringing to the table thematically more than anything. It's like Shutter Island, you know. A lot of people ditched it because the twist was obvious, but that's not really what the movie was about. I honestly see the whole Gellar situation in a similar light with this season of Dexter so far.

And you know, the fact that there's some dispute tells me that it's not quite as predictable or boring as many are making out to begin with. It's not until the last couple of episodes that it feels the show is really starting to dedicate itself to Gellar's lack of existence.

 

[Dugath]

Maybe only blatant to people who are so invested that they occupy their free time by talking about it on message boards. Most viewers I suspect are not so obsessed that a TV show(ANY Tv show) would occupy their free time more than the hour a week it takes to actually watch the show.

To that great mass of the majority of the audience, the Gellar-is-not-real twist would actually still be effective.

You can't please everyone all the time. Best you can hope for is pleasing most of the audience most of the time.

Dare I ask where your avatar is from, I had a hard time looking at your actual post

 

[Tex]

You're in complete denial if you believe that Geller is real. It's obvious the writers are pulling a Tyler Durden with Travis.

Come on, complete denial? I might be wrong but unless you are on the production team or in the know some how, you don't know for 100%.

 

[The Riddler]

i don't think the person allowing a prostitute to OD is actually a crime unless that person had some kind of status relationship with the prostitute.

it's possible you might get the person on manslaughter if you can prove that person attempted to help and secluded the victim from getting help; or, the person actually created the harm, but both seem like stretches.

now, back to more relevant issues: i agree with most in that gellar is likely in travis' head.

 

[Pink Ranger]

i don't think the person allowing a prostitute to OD is actually a crime unless that person had some kind of status relationship with the prostitute.

it's possible you might get the person on manslaughter if you can prove that person attempted to help and secluded the victim from getting help; or, the person actually created the harm, but both seem like stretches.

Even if you did nothing legally wrong, if you are the chief of police and you find yourself in that scenario, your career is finished.

 

[kedrell]

Dare I ask where your avatar is from, I had a hard time looking at your actual post

Some chick named Nadine Jansen. That's all I know.

 

[Golgo-13]

I truly believe that anyone who believes Gellar is real at this point, is smoking something.

If he is real, that indeed would be a twist.....

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

I think everyone is looking into everything too much. Out of all the season finale's there been a twist twice. While it's possible they throw a curveball, I doubt they'll pull a shocker like season 4.

 

[Crockett]

We're in more than half of the season and I still think the villain(s?) is one of the weakest aspect, now I didn't like the previous season so much (it was neither bad) but even they managed to make the villains there interesting. I'm hoping that they'll do something that change my perception in the last few episodes because so far I feel Edward James Olmos isn't used as well as I had hoped and still not really digging Colin Hanks. Didn't want this to be a negative post but it's just something that bothers me for some time.

 

[Golgo-13]

^ I agree to some degree about this season, not to mention that Dex's kill table has been pretty empty for most of it.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I think the writers knew very well when they put pen to paper that they'd be generating this kind of debate by as early as episode 3. We the audience are being toyed with, just like Travis is toying with Dexter and the police, which is part of the genius of this show.

I'm still in the Gellar-Is-Real camp, but I don't strongly believe that.

 

[Superfreak]

it's very ambiguous whether he is real or not. I mean we've seen Gellar act on objects in Travis' presence, but we've also seen the same from Dexter's brother, throwing corpse chum into the river.

I'd actually be suprised if the when this season's DVD comes out that the final reveal didn't have two endings written, and made for it.

 

[Project862006]

I really want gellar to be real, but I won't be surprised if he's not.

There has been sooooo much pointing to it.

Only thing i'd be stuck on them explaining is why the girl said there were two men. But then, did she ever say she felt two men holding her? or that two men where in the room?

Or did she just say that two men visited her one at a time..?

I can't rememeber.

she said she heard travis say "Professor" many times and she felts a man's knee in her back while someone poured the blood in her mouth

but travis could easily do that by himself she was tied up with a broken arm after all

but why is travis chained up did he chain himself up if gellar is'nt real?

 

[lerrymicheal]

Well, I really enjoyed you discussion. I'm also a huge fan of Dexter series and i don't want to miss it any single epiosde.

 

[DIRECTOR]

she said she heard travis say "Professor" many times and she felts a man's knee in her back while someone poured the blood in her mouth

but travis could easily do that by himself she was tied up with a broken arm after all

but why is travis chained up did he chain himself up if gellar is'nt real?

because Travis is crazy

 

[Dugath]

because Travis is crazy

Exactly, see where as Dexter has in the head talks with his dad , he does not have a split personality.

Travis seems to have a split personality that is aware of each other,Talks to himself in different voices.

If a task goes against Travis's beliefs then Geller takes over (Example when Travis "sleeps" or when Geller "knocks" Travis out or even chaining himself up).

 

[Tex]

Split peronality is one thing but I still don't see how someone can chain themself up. Wouldn't the other personality say wtf I don't want to be chained up? I'm trapt?

 

[TheBat812]

I truly believe that anyone who believes Gellar is real at this point, is smoking something.

If he is real, that indeed would be a twist.....

In my opinion, anybody who's decided either way are the fools. They've done a great job of making it impossible to gauge it one way or the other imo. At this point they could justify either possibility.


My guess though, is that the Gellar that interacts with Travis is imaginary, simply because it seems to do a lot more thematically, and is a great complement to Dexter's guide in his father. But what it also does is make you think of Dexter as more insane than I ever have. Although clearly he's on the good side of insanity, since his figure is there to make him a good person through his father's code.

 

[Liam_H]

Exactly, see where as Dexter has in the head talks with his dad , he does not have a split personality.

Travis seems to have a split personality that is aware of each other,Talks to himself in different voices.

If a task goes against Travis's beliefs then Geller takes over (Example when Travis "sleeps" or when Geller "knocks" Travis out or even chaining himself up).

Wouldn't it be unaware? The whole Travis chaining himself up can easily be explained by the Gellar side of him knowing a way out even if Travis doesn't.

 

[Pink Ranger]

As disturbing as this sounds, Travis & Gellar reminds me of Calvin & Hobbes, mainly over the continuous debate over whether the latter character is real or not, and the fact that Travis apparently managed to tie himself up like Calvin did once, to the bemusement and consternation of is father.

 

[Superfreak]

Exactly, see where as Dexter has in the head talks with his dad , he does not have a split personality.

Travis seems to have a split personality that is aware of each other,Talks to himself in different voices.

If a task goes against Travis's beliefs then Geller takes over (Example when Travis "sleeps" or when Geller "knocks" Travis out or even chaining himself up).

what will be interesting if Gellar is Travis and visa versa, is how Dexter will deal with it. Dexter already feels a connection with Travis, as he feels he has turned him away from his murderous path... but what about Gellar? If they are really one person, I can't wait to see how Dexter deals with it. Travis is innocent to a degree, while Gellar is the evil personality. Has Dex ever killed an innocent person?

 

[Pink Ranger]

Dexter killed that biker-looking guy at the boat fuelling station bathroom (probably that guy's a criminal, but neither Dex or the audience know that), and he indirectly caused Doakes' death.

 

[Project862006]

weren't all his innocent kills in self defense tho