Arrow Dinah Laurel Lance/Katie Cassidy Thread - Part 1

[charl_huntress]

I think you guys may be underestimating Grant. He's a bad ass in his own right with connections to the underground. He can fully train Laurel.

 

[Verick808]

Wildcat is above most LoA members in the comics though. Hell, he fights meta-humans with his level of skill. If he's done justice he would be above both Oliver and Sara. I recall reading somewhere that he has a secret past too. That could be anything from being a member of the JSA to being over seventy and having nine lives. Not everyone needs to be trained by the LoA.

 

[charl_huntress]

Wildcat is above most LoA members in the comics though. Hell, he fights meta-humans with his level of skill. If he's done justice he would be above both Oliver and Sara. I recall reading somewhere that he has a secret past too. That could be anything from being a member of the JSA to being over seventy and having nine lives. Not everyone needs to be trained by the LoA.

Exactly!

 

[combocaz]

I'll be honest i had a little chuckle when she got her a$$ handed to her. Love this series but everytime i see laurel i switch off.

 

[charl_huntress]

I understand. I do the same thing when Thea is on screen.

 

[luis4u]

I’m more excited for Laurel's journey. Thank god they brought up the alcoholic thing..

 

[Grommers]

I hope we get 2 seasons at least of her getting the crap kicked out of her.

 

[ThePreface]

I think Laurel as a character has the most potential moving forward. So far the writers are on the right track. We all know she's going to become the Black Canary. Now it's all about the execution of the journey. Getting rocked on her first taste of vigilantism is very real. Hell, even the Bats had his fair share of broken ribs before becoming the legend. I hope she doesn't turn it around too quickly. It should be a bumpy yet focused progression.

 

[DigificWriter]

Honestly, Grant wouldn't be sufficient enough to take Laurel to a level that she'll need to be at within the near future.

Says who?

Oliver is where he's at today because he was trained by several individuals.

Actually, I'm pretty sure most of his training came from just TWO individuals: Shado and Slade (and more the former than the latter).

Laurel may end up being able to fight like a military fighter at best when she's done being trained by Wildcat, but she would still be leagues away from where Sara was at.

She doesn't have to be where Sara was in order to do what Sara did; she just has to be able to hold her own in a fight and take people down, and Ted Grant's help will get her there.

Laurel got her **** kicked because she thought the self-defense classes she'd taken would be sufficient to overpower the guy she tried to take down, and found out the hard way that they weren't.

I'm honestly getting the feeling that people are criticizing Laurel's "lack of training" just because they don't like her rather than actually being honest and accepting the fact that, comparatively speaking, she's farther along just starting out than Oliver was, as she actually has some self-defense training courtesy of her father (just as Sara did), whereas Oliver couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag when he first ended up on Lian Yu, and didn't actually truly learn to fight hand-to-hand until he and Slade ended up with Shado.

 

[luis4u]

Spoiler

 

[SpideyVille]

Laurel got her **** kicked because she thought the self-defense classes she'd taken would be sufficient to overpower the guy she tried to take down, and found out the hard way that they weren't.

I'm honestly getting the feeling that people are criticizing Laurel's "lack of training" just because they don't like her rather than actually being honest and accepting the fact that, comparatively speaking, she's farther along just starting out than Oliver was, as she actually has some self-defense training courtesy of her father (just as Sara did), whereas Oliver couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag when he first ended up on Lian Yu, and didn't actually truly learn to fight hand-to-hand until he and Slade ended up with Shado.

It's interesting to think that Laurel was in a position last night where self-defense wouldn't do much anyway because she was the one attacking in this scenario. We saw in season one that she cold handle her own in taking down unsuspecting aggressors, but last night's result could easily be chalked up to be her letting her emotions and rage blind her from truly having a fighter's instinct.

 

[Boy Scout]

I thought Laurel was great last night. Cassidy really sold it.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I got a good laugh out of Laurel/Felicity phone call with Felicity wondering if they are friends now and Laurels face being all "ho no" But that is something they also need to start working on with Laurel. She is practically by herself with her own storyline instead of integrated with everyone.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I got a good laugh out of Laurel/Felicity phone call with Felicity wondering if they are friends now and Laurels face being all "ho no" But that is something they also need to start working on with Laurel. She is practically by herself with her own storyline instead of integrated with everyone.

Everyone seems to be on their own a bit this season with the exception of Roy who's stuck around Ollie for the most part.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I fail to see how Laurel replacing her addiction to alcohol and pills with an addiction to beating people up is a character arc.

 

[luis4u]

I fail to see how Laurel replacing her addiction to alcohol and pills with an addiction to beating people up is a character arc.

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[luis4u]

Spoiler

TVLINE | I know, I’ve seen the progress reports you’ve shared on Instagram. One photo even tweeted could be a “spoiler.”Yeah! My boxing trainer, he doesn’t go easy on me. Our stunt coordinator, James Bamford, was like, “Treat her like a fighter, but don’t hit her in the face.” So when I go, he’s very hard on me, but that’s good because that’s how I am. I give 110 percent, and Laurel is the same way. She has this rage and this anger, and starting to train with Ted Grant is therapeutic for her.TVLINE | Do you feel like your strength training helps you, or will help you, pull off the more physical, action-oriented sequences?One-hundred percent. I actually had this conversation with our producers this week, Marc [Guggenheim] and Andrew [Kreisberg]. I am proud to say that in a scene — I can’t tell you which one — you’ll see Laurel training, and they didn’t have to use my stunt double, because I worked really hard at what I was doing. I wanted it to be legitimate, I wanted it to be me. So they let me do it. And aside from that, I literally just texted my producer to tell him that I was able to do something — I can’t tell you what, exactly — and he was like, “No way!” My response was, “The Arrow’s got nothin’ on me!” [Laughs] It’s crazy.

 

[Paradox1]

I fail to see how Laurel replacing her addiction to alcohol and pills with an addiction to beating people up is a character arc.

Your looking at it to superficially. At the root of her addiction was a loss of control and anger. She has control now and just looking for an outlet for the anger.

 

[luis4u]

ARROW Season 3, Episode 6 Synopsis Released; "Guilty"

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TED GRANT IS ACCUSED OF MURDER — After a body is found strung up in the Wildcat gym,Ted Grant (J.R. Ramirez) becomes the main suspect. Oliver (Stephen Amell) and Laurel (KatieCassidy) argue over Ted’s innocence. Meanwhile, in flashbacks, when Maseo (Karl Yune) needsOliver to remember where an informant for China White stashed key information, he asks Tatsu(guest star Rila Fukushima) to help jog Oliver’s memory. Roy (Colton Haynes) shares a secret with Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards). Peter Leto directed the episode written by Erik Oleson; KetoShimizu.

 

[luis4u]

 

[Loki882]

My overall feelings on Laurel aside, one thing that I definitely think is that she needs to stop being a DA soon. I'm sorry, but she's gone WAY over the line repeatedly, she doesn't deserve that job. She blackmails her boss repeatedly and is able to get out of that mess when Slade conveniently has said boss killed. And in this episode, she's goes full-on Jack Bauer on a defenseless man in a hospital and then essentially murders Komodo (she just got lucky that Oliver had taken the bullets out of the gun before hand). That last part REALLY annoyed me because it seemed like the show just then immediately brushed that aside with Oliver's "what's important is that you didn't kill him" line. Hey Oliver, if you hadn't emptied the gun, SHE WOULD HAVE KILLED HIM!!

 

[Human Torch]

I agree that the biggest mis-step they made was in making Laurel a D.A.
I actually welcomed the "Booze 'n Pills" storyline,thinking it would at least,unseat her from that job.But she ended up blackmailing her way back in a matter of episodes.

I think the "people's advocate" thing from season 1 was much better suited to her.As a D.A she comes across too prissy.As soon as she came into the the last episode giving Ted the whole "DO YOU KNOW LYING TO A D.A. IS A FELONY?" spiel,I was rolling my eyes yet again.That's the kinda stuff that keeps her from connecting to some viewers.It's hard to empathize with a character when you feel like yelling "Shaddup already!"at them.

It's a sad state when they can make me empathize with a former assassin over a "law abiding" D.A.

 

[SlamAdams]

I fail to see how Laurel replacing her addiction to alcohol and pills with an addiction to beating people up is a character arc.

Hey man, there's a fire inside of her and she doesn't know what it is. Deep stuff, ya know.t:

 

[fire117]

I agree that the biggest mis-step they made was in making Laurel a D.A.
I actually welcomed the "Booze 'n Pills" storyline,thinking it would at least,unseat her from that job.But she ended up blackmailing her way back in a matter of episodes.

I think the "people's advocate" thing from season 1 was much better suited to her.As a D.A she comes across too prissy.As soon as she came into the the last episode giving Ted the whole "DO YOU KNOW LYING TO A D.A. IS A FELONY?" spiel,I was rolling my eyes yet again.That's the kinda stuff that keeps her from connecting to some viewers.It's hard to empathize with a character when you feel like yelling "Shaddup already!"at them.

It's a sad state when they can make me empathize with a former assassin over a "law abiding" D.A.

Agreed.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Hey man, there's a fire inside of her and she doesn't know what it is. Deep stuff, ya know.t:

Indeed, She's feeling it in her bones and stuff.