Arrow Dinah Laurel Lance/Katie Cassidy Thread - Part 2

[Hunter Rider]

Awesome! I actually didn't realize Thea was there as well when I saw the trailer!

What makes you say that Candice is "aggressive and angry"? I assume that is what you meant when you said that her fans are "aggressive and angry" and that they "kind of match her in a way".

I think you're witnessing the bizarreness that is shipper wars, Katie has gotten **** for ages, now she's Canary Emily gets it in the neck from the other side and it seems Candice fans are threatened by Barry/Caitlin so they need to spew hate Danielle's way. Candice has gotten hate as well due to Iris having some season 2 Laurelisms in the first season of The Flash. It seems most don't seem to realize these are actresses, they aren't the characters or the writers. Willa is the only one to escape so far because Thea isn't threatening any of the fanatics ships.

 

[Slade W]

I'd watch a spinoff with just them.

Me too. I would like to see Helena in there also.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Black Canary, White Canary, Speedy, Huntress and Katana with Mr Terrific as their tech guy in a BoP spin-off.

 

[Slade W]

I think you're witnessing the bizarreness that is shipper wars, Katie has gotten **** for ages, now she's Canary Emily gets it in the neck from the other side and it seems Candice fans are threatened by Barry/Caitlin so they need to spew hate Danielle's way. Candice has gotten hate as well due to Iris having some season 2 Laurelisms in the first season of The Flash. It seems most don't seem to realize these are actresses, they aren't the characters or the writers. Willa is the only one to escape so far because Thea isn't threatening any of the fanatics ships.

I think it is more than just that though. I am sure the whole shipping thing is all it is to some people but to a larger portion of the fanbase I think it is something different. In lots of shows (and I don't just mean superhero shows) a lot of the female characters are hated. What these female characters seem to have in common is that they do not simply live to serve and support the male characters. Most of them are strong, independent women who do not rely on male characters and go after what they want and do what they want to do (this describes both Laurel and Iris very well IMO). Difference is that male characters are loved for doing these thing but females are hated and it is normally by male fans.

Skylar and Marie on Breaking Bad and Megan and Betty on Mad Men were hated too. They were characters that did not live to serve their husbands or the male protagonist and in certain cases went against them (and they were in the right to go against Walt and Don, who are both clearly in the wrong the vast majority of the time). I did not watch Soprano's or Boardwalk Empire, but Carmela Soprano and Margaret Schroeder were also hated by many people and I wouldn't be surprised if it were for similar reasons that I mentioned earlier in regards to the other female characters. There are lots of other hated female characters too. It is one thing to not like one or two female characters because they are bad or poorly written (of course there will be some female characters that are badly written, badly acted or are just not nice people that there are valid reasons to dislike) but if someone has a problem with the majority of them (there are people who strongly dislike every female character I have mentioned) then the chances are that the problem lies with that person. There is no way all of these female characters are bad or poorly written. People will hate a female character much more quickly and easily than they will a male character. Male characters are cut much more slack and a lot of them are loved for doing some of the things that certain female characters are hated for.

A lot of female characters are hated unfairly and for silly reasons that men would not be hated for and Laurel and Iris are examples of this IMO (although it seems to me that Laurel is not really hated anywhere near as much as she used to be).

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

 

[Hunter Rider]

I think it is more than just that though. I am sure the whole shipping thing is all it is to some people but to a larger portion of the fanbase I think it is something different. In lots of shows (and I don't just mean superhero shows) a lot of the female characters are hated. What these female characters seem to have in common is that they do not simply live to serve and support the male characters. Most of them are strong, independent women who do not rely on male characters and go after what they want and do what they want to do (this describes both Laurel and Iris very well IMO). Difference is that male characters are loved for doing these thing but females are hated and it is normally by male fans.

Skylar and Marie on Breaking Bad and Megan and Betty on Mad Men were hated too. They were characters that did not live to serve their husbands or the male protagonist and in certain cases went against them (and they were in the right to go against Walt and Don, who are both clearly in the wrong the vast majority of the time). I did not watch Soprano's or Boardwalk Empire, but Carmela Soprano and Margaret Schroeder were also hated by many people and I wouldn't be surprised if it were for similar reasons that I mentioned earlier in regards to the other female characters. There are lots of other hated female characters too. It is one thing to not like one or two female characters because they are bad or poorly written (of course there will be some female characters that are badly written, badly acted or are just not nice people that there are valid reasons to dislike) but if someone has a problem with lots of them (there are people who strongly dislike every female character I have mentioned) then the chances are that the problem lies with that person. There is no way all of these female characters are bad or poorly written. People will hate a female character much more quickly and easily than they will a male character. Male characters are cut much more slack and a lot of them are loved for doing some of the things that certain female characters are hated for.

A lot of female characters are hated unfairly and for silly reasons that men would not be hated for and Laurel and Iris are examples of this IMO (although it seems to me that Laurel is not really hated anywhere near as much as she used to be).

I think we had this discussion before and you are right, there is a bigger issue regarding female characters on TV shows in general. If they show emotions they are deemed as annoying and whiny for not just coast along in every bad situation. If they go their own way and are against the "logic" of the fans perception of the male protagonist then they are a b**ch and cold.

In this instance though it seems the Katie sniping on twitter followed by the Candice comments are coming from a more insular place relating to the fan communities various biases.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I wish they would give Laurel some silver tonfas to offset all that black!

 

[Silver Surfer]

Cool. I cannot wait to see Laurel and Sara fight alongside each other.

I want to see them fight each other, I know Sara would ROFLSTOMP her, but still....

 

[luis4u]

 

[Hunter Rider]

That art is fantastic, looking forward to the sequence if live action.

I wish they would give Laurel some silver tonfas to offset all that black!

That would be a great idea, they could definitely do with breaking the look up a bit, especially given nearly all the action is at night.

 

[ThePreface]

I can't even front, that **** looks dope.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I like how the writer didn't even bother with all the buckles lol. Much better.

 

[kvz5]

I'd watch a spinoff with just them.

Yes, please!

 

[Primal Slayer]

Unzipping her jacket just a little makes such an improvement for me

 

[b_boy]

Everytime I look at this gif I have the "dam dam dam" beats from "we will rock you" song on my head lol

 

[vantheman77]

Black Canary, White Canary, Speedy, Huntress and Katana with Mr Terrific as their tech guy in a BoP spin-off.

I agree with most, except for White Canary as she's in Legends, but after Arrow is over.

 

[luis4u]

Spoiler

old

 

[SpideyVille]

Unzipping her jacket just a little makes such an improvement for me

I agree. It works for Thea and I think Laurel could only stand to benefit from it.

 

[luis4u]

 

[Boy Scout]

Laurel could definitely use a costume change.

 

[vantheman77]

I wonder if Dinah Laurel's Earth-2 counterpart will be running a flower shop.

 

[luis4u]

 

[luis4u]

 

[Primal Slayer]

I need more Laurel/Digg scenes.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Loved Laurel in the premiere, her action scenes have gotten a lot better, her vs the ghosts in the police station was awesome, though I was hoping she would use the canary cry at some point.