Arrow Dinah Laurel Lance/Katie Cassidy Thread - Part 3

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I feel like a lot of my fellow Laurel fans could stand to take the following quote to heart:
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Even if you're upset by the decision to kill her off, I don't see how said decision invalidates the character journey she went on.

They did what they said they were going to do, even if there was a bump or two along the way (Marc Guggenheim giving the anti-Laurel crowd fuel for their opinions), and gave the character a journey that paralleled Oliver's far more than any other character on the show (including Sara).


They hadn't even gotten to the fun pieces of the Black Canary character. It would've been so great to see her get to the point where she could train newcomers to the team. Or jump over to Flash and help Team Flash and/or Barry train (we know Barry struggles in hand to hand combat). We saw her looking to others for inspiration (Nyssa, Sara, Oliver, etc.) but we're cut off from the character before she could inspire others.
 
^ Sometimes characters don't get to complete their story.

Would I have preferred them to have killed off someone other than Laurel? Yes. Am I going to sit here and vilify them as if the decision invalidates the character journey she went on over the course of 3+ seasons? No.
 
I hate how they made laurel's last scene about Olicity........

Should be expected though.... The writers are so damn obsessed with that ship.
 
Yeah, the sad thing is this whole death thing wouldn't have happened without Olicity. It is totally the writers fault though, not EBR. They could have hooked Ollie with other people and managed to keep Laurel on the show.
 
Everyone is talking about the disrespect to Laurel's character, and I completely get it and agree, they killed off the most important character in the Green Arrow mythos (besides Oliver obviously), but imagine how disrespected Katie must feel. Imagine how she felt while reading it the first time, completely blindsided that she, the female lead from the start, was about to get killed off, without being told prior. Then imagine how she felt after the recent interview where Guggy and the other moron said they didn't want to kill off a character, but felt compelled to do it so they would be keeping their promise that somebody would die, and that they hadn't even planned out who would die when they shot the initial grave shots. She literally changed her life for the role of Black Canary, and now has suddenly lost her job due to the writers' failure to plan the story, and their incompetence to just admit a mistake... I'm incredulous to this whole thing. Unbelievable.

Yeah, Katie got screwed over and still is going be on Flash/ Vixen. She's obviously a class act.
 
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Just woke up and was thinking how lame it was that of course Oliver can survive a much more brutal stabbing from Ra's on top of a mountain and fall off, then be healed by some basic herbs but god forbid Laurel get actual medical help and she can't even survive that.
 
Everyone is talking about the disrespect to Laurel's character, and I completely get it and agree, they killed off the most important character in the Green Arrow mythos (besides Oliver obviously), but imagine how disrespected Katie must feel. Imagine how she felt while reading it the first time, completely blindsided that she, the female lead from the start, was about to get killed off, without being told prior. Then imagine how she felt after the recent interview where Guggy and the other moron said they didn't want to kill off a character, but felt compelled to do it so they would be keeping their promise that somebody would die, and that they hadn't even planned out who would die when they shot the initial grave shots. She literally changed her life for the role of Black Canary, and now has suddenly lost her job due to the writers' failure to plan the story, and their incompetence to just admit a mistake... I'm incredulous to this whole thing. Unbelievable.

I wonder if maybe katie cassidy wanted out. I know I would if I signed on to a show thinking I was going to be the #2 character, and then got demoted and felicity became the star.
 
As much as I love giving a big **** YOU! to to the idea of "Destiny," DCTV really has no respect for the GA/BC relationship. The only time it was even close to well done was in JLU... then Smallville and now this God where's the justice?
 
Given that there's a specific story reason for her to show up on Vixen that was introduced in Arrow 4x16, I doubt that's the case.

I don't buy that they hadn't made the decision about who was going to die before they started working on the season.

It runs entirely counter to everything that I understand about how television writing works.

Therefore, I don't buy the idea that Katie's future appearances on The Flash and Vixen are contractually motivated because they suddenly decided that Laurel was going to be the character they killed off and therefore they needed to honor existing contractual obligations with Katie in some fashion.
Just because they haven't started writing writing season 5 yet, that doesn't mean they don't have plans for it. They already set up how he ends up going to Russia next season in the flashback.

So it it highly plausible that they had an inkling that Laurel would be the one to die. They've foreshadowed something happening to the Lances, and honestly, had the photos not been leaked ahead of time, it would have been shocking since most people expected Quentin to be the one to die.

And again, this happens all the time. Roy was "killed" last season around the same time, and still appeared. Lana was written into a coma to cover the fact that she wasn't returning after the Writer's strike in 2007, since she had signed on to do a film instead, despite having her contract having her appear in every episode, so she owed them those episodes, unlike LEx who fulfilled his end of the bargain.

I feel like a lot of my fellow Laurel fans could stand to take the following quote to heart:
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Even if you're upset by the decision to kill her off, I don't see how said decision invalidates the character journey she went on.

They did what they said they were going to do, even if there was a bump or two along the way (Marc Guggenheim giving the anti-Laurel crowd fuel for their opinions), and gave the character a journey that paralleled Oliver's far more than any other character on the show (including Sara).
The problem is we waited three seasons to finally see the real Black Canary, and while they gave us the arc and costume, they didn't really do much else to help the character. Season 3 started with Laurel talking about how she and Oliver make a good team, since he catches bad guys and she puts them away for good in jail. But aside from Dhark, they never explored that aspect of her character for over a year, and they don't do that for any of the other characters either.

There were so many interesting areas to explore with the character, and the fact that she had reduced screen time, and had most of her scenes end up as deleted on a DVD, it shows a great amount of disservice to a character and actor that initially signed on to the second lead. But instead, they turned her into just another background character.

I hate how they made laurel's last scene about Olicity........

Should be expected though.... The writers are so damn obsessed with that ship.
It's like "Hey, we got some good news and some bad. The bad is Laurel's dead, but the good .... she totally supports Olicity! So this is what she would want."

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Just woke up and was thinking how lame it was that of course Oliver can survive a much more brutal stabbing from Ra's on top of a mountain and fall off, then be healed by some basic herbs but god forbid Laurel get actual medical help and she can't even survive that.
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I gotta say, I'm totally not handling this death well. Like I've never been this emotionally invested in a character's death before. Like it sucked when Roy left, but at least he was still alive. Moira and Shado's deaths were shocking, but they worked for the story. But this ... this just has horse**** written all over it.

As much as I love giving a big **** YOU! to to the idea of "Destiny," DCTV really has no respect for the GA/BC relationship. The only time it was even close to well done was in JLU... then Smallville and now this God where's the justice?
We're 0-2 so far.
 
My question for the panel:

If Earth-One Laurel is dead for good, would you prefer they bring in Earth-Two Dinah?

To be honest, it wouldn't be enough. My same feelings towards when they introduced Earth Two Killer Frost, it's cool to see a more comic-accurate version of the character, but its not the same character we grew attached to for several seasons.
 
Katie has been on four CW shows now. The Executives at the network love her.

Wouldn't be surprised if she becomes a regular on The Flash next season, as a meta-human version of Earth 2 Black Canary.
 
JustJaredjr.com is reporting that Arrow fans are not happy about Laurel's death and are showing tweets from people that are complaining. Perhaps/hopefully other sites will report it too.
 
I was scrolling through Guggenheim's twitter earlier, and it's crazy the amount of people in support of him and thanking him for last night.

I made it a point to like every #NoLaurelNoArrow tweet.
 
I was scrolling through Guggenheim's twitter earlier, and it's crazy the amount of people in support of him and thanking him for last night.

I made it a point to like every #NoLaurelNoArrow tweet.

LOL gotta say I decided to take my hate to twitter too, because there the writers see it, here not so much :gngl:
 
LOL gotta say I decided to take my hate to twitter too, because there the writers see it, here not so much :gngl:
No you gotta take it to Tumblr! That's where they get all their inspiration from.
 
Lots of people are "disliking" the trailer for the next episode, Canary Cry, I assume in response to Laurel's death. If people keep stuff like this up on Youtube, Twitter, Facebook and Tumblr etc, and keep expressing their displeasure and discontent, in addition to things like ratings dropping, maybe they will bring her back, and do other things to improve the show (or maybe that is just wishful thinking on my part).

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Nah, they hate admitting their wrongs. They rather stick to their guns
 
They brought Sara back though. I really do believe that if enough people make noise about this and express their unhappiness in a polite and civil manner, that they would find a way to bring her back, perhaps on another show like they did with Sara. If enough people want her back and make their voice heard, it would be in their best interests to do so, like they did with Sara.
 
I was scrolling through Guggenheim's twitter earlier, and it's crazy the amount of people in support of him and thanking him for last night.

I made it a point to like every #NoLaurelNoArrow tweet.


A user on Reddit last night concluded they are using bots. He discovered 20 tweets that posted at the exact same time with the exact same words and said 1 person could use a program to send that tweet through 20 accounts.

In my book making 20 Twitter account to do that is nuts. Hell making 2 accounts to inflate my opinion on a TV show would be too much trouble and feel like work.
 
A user on Reddit last night concluded they are using bots. He discovered 20 tweets that posted at the exact same time with the exact same words and said 1 person could use a program to send that tweet through 20 accounts.

In my book making 20 Twitter account to do that is nuts. Hell making 2 accounts to inflate my opinion on a TV show would be too much trouble and feel like work.

I think I seen that too. They were all saying the exact same thing. "I love Arrow" or something like that, wasn't it?
 
I wouldn't be surprised. He looks and reminds me a lot of my ex's music manager, who has recently bragged about having over 10,000 followers on Instagram and Twitter, yet if you look at the followers on both, they all have 0 posts, 10 followers and follow over 5000 people.

People will go to great lengths if they somehow stand to profit from it.
 
The Black Canary never even got to team up with Huntress officially. I wouldn't mind Earth 2 Canary becoming official. I was hoping for a Birds of Prey spinoff anyway, which was possible and hopefully still is.
 
In hindsight, they probably should have handled her in a similar manner to Sara by introducing her in the 2nd season as a trained vigilante. Perhaps they could have had Laurel take Sara's place on the boat and end up trained by the LOA, or maybe even had them meet for the first time in the 2nd season, with them having no prior connection. From the beginning, they really had no idea what to do with Laurel, did they?
 
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