Days of Future Past "Director's Cut": The Official Matthew Vaughn Thread

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Yeah, everything is pretty closed after that film.

And even with how much I love that movie, they totally botched that.

Killing Cyclops, Jean, and Xavier leaves no worthwhile X-Men to continue a movie franchise around (just because Iceman, Kitty Pryde, and Colossus work in the comics does not mean they work in the movies)

Can't continue anything with Magneto, Rogue, or Mystique, because it's really not legit to build a plot point around a scene that was there merely for shock value and nothing else. The scene didn't even make sense within the context of it's own movie.

Their idea of bringing closure to the trilogy was to just ram everything head first into a brick wall.

 

[chaseter]

They left NOTHING open in X3, which movie did you watch?

Xavier is alive, Magneto has his powers back, what happened to the school, where did Rogue go, what about the legacy virus, is Cyclops really dead. Is that NOTHING

X3 left us yearning for more for a reason. It didn't properly complete the trilogy. So how is wanting an X4 totally bewildering? Did you like X3 or something?

 

[JP]

Xavier is alive,

An after credit scene about Xavier being in the body of his "twin brother" is pretty stupid and has a reason why it's shown AFTER the credits.

Magneto has his powers back

So that means we need a sequel? That scene was literally a sixteenth of a second long.

what happened to the school

What do you mean? We saw what happened to the school.

where did Rogue go

She never went anywhere.

, what about the legacy virus

Whaaaaa? Where are you getting the legacy virus from? Has nothing to do with X3.

is Cyclops really dead.

Yes, we all saw him die. And Xavier. And Jean.

Is that NOTHING

I really don't understand what you're saying. They tied up everything in this movie, and that's one of the biggest problems with it. It tries a bit to hard to "close" the story.

You do realize you can watch ANY movie and say "I wonder what happens next!" That doesn't mean we need to see it.

 

[chaseter]

An after credit scene about Xavier being in the body of his "twin brother" is pretty stupid and has a reason why it's shown AFTER the credits.

It is canon. The after credit scene in Iron Man is of Thor's hammer. Do we call that stupid and toss it off to the side? Xavier is alive and they sort of just left that wide open.

So that means we need a sequel? That scene was literally a sixteenth of a second long.

Do we need a prequel to show how the school started when we already got flashbacks in the first X-Men that were literally a sixteenth of a second long? X3 didn't resolve things. It had a meaningless plot device that was used on characters and then reversed in the end. Xavier dies but is now alive. Magneto's powers are gone but now they are back. There needs to be another movie to resolve all of those issues and finally end those character arcs. The arcs that were ended were done so terribly that they need to be redone properly. Rogue, Cyclops, Mystique...all terrible/awful/cheap ends to their arcs.

What do you mean? We saw what happened to the school.

We saw kids coming back at the beginning of the year. It would be nice to see how the school is doing with Xavier and how Storm and Beast are managing it.

She never went anywhere.

Uh she lost her powers

Whaaaaa? Where are you getting the legacy virus from? Has nothing to do with X3.

Do you know what the legacy virus is? It has to do with the cure and if the cure was used in X3, the legacy virus could be used in X4.

Yes, we all saw him die. And Xavier. And Jean.

I must have missed the scene where we saw Jean kill Scott. Oh yeah, it cut away and implied that she killed him.

I really don't understand what you're saying. They tied up everything in this movie, and that's one of the biggest problems with it. It tries a bit to hard to "close" the story.

Please tell me the things that they tied up and completely resolved besides Jean. Even Nightcrawler was tossed to the side and never given a second mention.

You do realize you can watch ANY movie and say "I wonder what happens next!" That doesn't mean we need to see it.

So are you for this prequel? We can watch the three other movies and wonder what happened before. Do you read comics? They really only needed to publish a few and just let us imagine what happens next. In fact, they should not make any more X-Men movies. We should all just imagine what they would be like and what plots they would use.

This isn't a tv show that has 6 seasons and will never be made again. This is a franchise that will continue to be seen over and over again. They will never stop making X-Men movies.

 

[JP]

Of course I'm for this prequel. Obviously a reboot is out of the question, so I'd rather a movie featuring the X-Men sans Wolverine then a pointless sequel starring Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman.

I don't want to see a movie where Wolverine leads the X-Men, half the original cast is dead, and we have to introduce B and C-list X-Men.

Or, we can say the cure didn't work, Xavier and Cyclops are still alive, and all the events of X3 were meaningless. Oh, that's fun.

 

[chaseter]

Of course I'm for this prequel. Obviously a reboot is out of the question, so I'd rather a movie featuring the X-Men sans Wolverine then a pointless sequel starring Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman.

I don't want to see a movie where Wolverine leads the X-Men, half the original cast is dead, and we have to introduce B and C-list X-Men.

Or, we can say the cure didn't work, Xavier and Cyclops are still alive, and all the events of X3 were meaningless. Oh, that's fun.

You can't say we can just imagine what happened after X3 and be for a movie before what happened in X1. You say imagine what happened after X3, well why don't you just imagine what happened before X1 They even had flashbacks. Use that

The cure didn't work. Magneto has his powers back. Xavier is still alive, he is in another body. All of that was shown in the movie. So, your complaints should be with X3, not X4. The events in X3 were meaningless after they undid everything IN THE SAME MOVIE. So your only beef with X4 is that you don't want to see Wolverine again. Half the original cast is dead? I only count Jean as dead and gone. Cyclops maybe but it would be easy to bring him back because his death was only implied. Your vendetta against an X4 is clouding your ability to think straight.

 

[akfj]

Do we need a prequel to show how the school started when we already got flashbacks in the first X-Men that were literally a sixteenth of a second long?

What?!?!?

Where were these scenes?

 

[chaseter]

In X1.

 

[insane polaris]

Do we need a prequel to show how the school started when we already got flashbacks in the first X-Men that were literally a sixteenth of a second long? X3 didn't resolve things. It had a meaningless plot device that was used on characters and then reversed in the end. Xavier dies but is now alive. Magneto's powers are gone but now they are back. There needs to be another movie to resolve all of those issues and finally end those character arcs. The arcs that were ended were done so terribly that they need to be redone properly. Rogue, Cyclops, Mystique...all terrible/awful/cheap ends to their arcs.

We didnt get flashbacks of how the school began in X1. We got the Jean scene in X3 and thats what they want to expand on.
You say X3 had a meaningless plot device, but you want a X4 to resolve all of X3's problems. so most of the film will be about retconning X3. Sounds like a great film.
You cant just make another film because some characters didnt end right. theres no point.

Do you know what the legacy virus is? It has to do with the cure and if the cure was used in X3, the legacy virus could be used in X4.

Arent they different story arcs. Legacy virus was late 90's. The cure was Astonishing X-men 2004. They are unrelated.

So are you for this prequel? We can watch the three other movies and wonder what happened before. Do you read comics? They really only needed to publish a few and just let us imagine what happens next. In fact, they should not make any more X-Men movies. We should all just imagine what they would be like and what plots they would use.

This isn't a tv show that has 6 seasons and will never be made again. This is a franchise that will continue to be seen over and over again. They will never stop making X-Men movies.

This is crazy... I could wonder about any film and what happens after.

Name me any film franchise that continually makes films without stopping. even the most succesful films have ended at some point.

Things need to an end.


To bring back Xavier (in a new body), Cyclops, Magneto (with powers) would just seem really cheap. Alot of fans dont want Magneto as villain as he has been for 3 movies, why would Fox bring him back as a villain?

 

[chaseter]

We didnt get flashbacks of how the school began in X1. We got the Jean scene in X3 and thats what they want to expand on.
You say X3 had a meaningless plot device, but you want a X4 to resolve all of X3's problems. so most of the film will be about retconning X3. Sounds like a great film.
You cant just make another film because some characters didnt end right. theres no point.

If you couldn't figure it out...I was rebutting his incorrect comment about how we saw a scene and could figure out what happened with the same exact line concerning the start of the school.

X3 retconned itself within itself Xavier died. HE LIVES! Magneto loses his powers. THEY ARE BACK!

They can do whatever they want and they will continue to do whatever they want as long as these movies make a profit...which they will for a long, long time. Then Marvel will get the rights and make more movies.

Arent they different story arcs. Legacy virus was late 90's. The cure was Astonishing X-men 2004. They are unrelated.

There are other source materials. The cure was seen in 1993 animated series and is the bulk of what a lot of the material from X3 came from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cure_(X-Men_episode)

This is crazy... I could wonder about any film and what happens after.

Name me any film franchise that continually makes films without stopping. even the most succesful films have ended at some point.

Things need to an end.

James Bond.

To bring back Xavier (in a new body), Cyclops, Magneto (with powers) would just seem really cheap. Alot of fans dont want Magneto as villain as he has been for 3 movies, why would Fox bring him back as a villain?

You need to take that up with the writers of X3. Because they gave Magneto back his powers and put Xavier in a new body. It was really cheap then. Who says Magneto has to be the main villain?

 

[Electrix]

X-Men 4, as a direct continuation of X-Men 3, won't be happening. Lets just focus on X-Men: First Class and stay on topic.

 

[chaseter]

I don't think you really have any say or know for sure. People didn't think this movie was going to be made before X4 a year ago and just a few weeks ago people were certain that Bryan Singer was going to helm X4 and First Class so

 

[Electrix]

If First Class is successful, which it probably will be given that every X-Men film has performed well and this will have a smaller budget, then there will be no need for an X-Men 4. Fox will move forward with a sequel with its cheap new cast and will probably complete a First Class trilogy.

By the time that has finished in 6 years or so it will have been 10 years since X-Men 3. If Fox do make an X4 it probably won't follow on directly after the events of X3, and may be set 10/15 years after. That will give them freedom so they aren't lumped with all of X3's problems.

Bryan Singer and Lauren Shulder Donner hinted at X-Men 4 earlier this year, but that will probably depend on how First Class goes. If Fox can't keep making money will the prequels they'll have to either go into the future, or reboot.

 

[chaseter]

Which is why this needs to be a reboot and start all over again. I would rather see X4 before I see First Class if they are going to adhere to continuity. I would rather First Class start off with a better foundation.

 

[akfj]

In X1.

There were no flashbacks of how the school started in X1. There was a montage of present-day activities at the school with Xavier's narration, but no flashbacks that showed how the school started.

 

[BMM]

Arent they different story arcs. Legacy virus was late 90's. The cure was Astonishing X-men 2004. They are unrelated.

Correct.

 

[chaseter]

There were no flashbacks of how the school started in X1. There was a montage of present-day activities at the school with Xavier's narration, but no flashbacks that showed how the school started.

It showed Cyclops shooting stuff that Jean was using her mind to send off as Charles narrated.It was a flashback to his first students. I was being facetious to his comment about not needing to see additional movies and that we could use our imagination from what was already shown.

 

[chaseter]

Correct.

Incorrect. Cure was seen in the 1993 animated series and the legacy virus was introduced in the comics in 1993. The cure targeted the X gene and so did the Legacy virus. I was merely saying the cure could be used to introduce the legacy virus as a plot point in a future movie.

 

[akfj]

It showed Cyclops shooting stuff that Jean was using her mind to send off as Charles narrated.It was a flashback to his first students. I was being facetious to his comment about not needing to see additional movies and that we could use our imagination from what was already shown.

It was not a flashback. It was showing present-day events of them training. If it was a flashback, Cyclops and Jean would have been played by much younger actors.

 

[chaseter]

It was not a flashback. It was showing present-day events of them training. If it was a flashback, Cyclops and Jean would have been played by much younger actors.

I took it as a flashback. It doesn't mean it was when they were kids, it could have been a year before that movie...we don't know. I will have to go back and watch and see if they are wearing different clothes. Anyways it doesn't really matter...I was being facetious because of his comments. If you didn't get that, then I will throw in some smileys

Plus...why would they be training out on the lawn when they have the Danger Room?

 

[akfj]

I took it as a flashback. It doesn't mean it was when they were kids, it could have been a year before that movie...we don't know. I will have to go back and watch and see if they are wearing different clothes. Anyways it doesn't really matter...I was being facetious because of his comments. If you didn't get that, then I will throw in some smileys

Yeah, it's always hard to determine tone from reading words on a screen.

Plus...why would they be training out on the lawn when they have the Danger Room?

Because of the Fox executives.

 

[danoyse]

Can we keep this as the First Class thread and not the 'argue-about-X3-again' thread? I'd love to see an X4 but I think they ran any possibility of that into the ground after X3, unfortunately.

 

[BMM]

Incorrect. Cure was seen in the 1993 animated series and the legacy virus was introduced in the comics in 1993. The cure targeted the X gene and so did the Legacy virus. I was merely saying the cure could be used to introduce the legacy virus as a plot point in a future movie.

No, not incorrect. The Legacy Virus and Astonishing X-Men’s cure, as mentioned in insane polaris’ post, aren’t related.

Sure, the cure could be used as a means to introduce the Legacy Virus, although I don’t know why that should immediately spring to mind as though it were a loose end left over by The Last Stand, seeing as how the cure and the Legacy Virus aren’t associated with one another in either the books or The Animated Series.

The "cure," as featured in The Animated Series, doesn't exist. It is nothing more than a ploy devised by Apocalypse through which to recruit his horsemen. If anything, The Cure and Come the Apocalypse episodes are an interpretation of X-Factor's Fall of the Mutants crossover, which debuted in the 1980s, not the Legacy Virus. In fact, those episodes have nothing to do with the Legacy Virus, which isn't even introduced until season 2 of The Animated Series. The Legacy Virus is featured in a self-contained storyline, Time Fugitives.

 

[chaseter]

You probably know more than me. I just remembered it in the cartoon. But anyways, I still think this should be a reboot. I don't want to see another trilogy try to stay continuous with the other films and then have no outs for future films with the new actors that will be in the movies. But they won't with Wolverine 2 running congruent with this movie. If they don't reboot, I just want this to be one film and end with something from X1.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Of course I'm for this prequel. Obviously a reboot is out of the question, so I'd rather a movie featuring the X-Men sans Wolverine then a pointless sequel starring Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman.

I don't want to see a movie where Wolverine leads the X-Men, half the original cast is dead, and we have to introduce B and C-list X-Men.

A-friggin-men.