🌎 Discussion: Civil Rights, Affirmative Action, Critical Race Theory, Systemic Inequality, and Racism - Part 4

[DarthSkywalker]

 

[RockSP]

 

[Prettyricky]

That was all I was asking. By "clean," you mean... "not getting arrested." Got it.



How did they clearly create this situation? Reporters and journalists get in where the action is, to keep the American people informed. A well informed populace is critical to a functioning democracy. They are trying to give us the story.

What coverage couldn't they get? I dunno man. Listen.. I work for a news station. And I can tell you, these situations are fluid. You get in close, because you don't know what's going to happen. And the reporter was totally amenable to moving away. You are just using this event as an opportunity to push your position.

Right... being in the middle of rioters is nothing new. And it's not exclusive to CNN either.

What position am I pushing exactly? Im curious because every other station is covering this the exact same and none of there reporters are getting arrested. So are you saying it was ok for CNN to be right there instead of back another 10 or 15 feet away safely? Is this nightcrawler or something?

 

[Prettyricky]

*reads post*
*goes back to check again*
Trump better be real careful if he gets invited to a Minneapolis wedding any time soon...


(Also, what the heck is "clean news"?)

Clean coverage with none of there reporters getting locked up

 

[Prettyricky]

It's more alternative language from our local Trump supporter to explain away clearly illegal arrests caught on camera.

Thats totally it instead of ya know answering my question why CNN of all news stations is the only one to have an issue covering this protest. Ya know the same station that positioned protestors to make an event look bigger or cuomo lecturing people about quarantining while he's riding a bike around with the virus.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What position am I pushing exactly? Im curious because every other station is covering this the exact same and none of there reporters are getting arrested. So are you saying it was ok for CNN to be right there instead of back another 10 or 15 feet away safely? Is this nightcrawler or something?

It was all recorded. You can hear them asking if they can't be there, where can they be.

Clean coverage with none of there reporters getting locked up

This was a decision made by the police, which everyone is condemning. You can't hold them responsible for that. I don't even know how you could try and argue that.

 

[InCali]

I sincerely doubt the governor would be deeply apologizing and calling the arrests unacceptable if it were a "clean" arrest. Maybe if he strongly or powerfully apologized, you'd find it more to your liking?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I sincerely doubt the governor would be deeply apologizing and calling the arrests unacceptable if it were a "clean" arrest. Maybe if he strongly or powerfully apologized, you'd find it more to your liking?

This is all happening because George Floyd was murdered while being arrested by this same PD. I mean... goddamn.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

On the Shameik Moore front, I see that he "apologized" this morning claiming this was the wrong time to talk about this stuff. And this lead me to this post I did not see yesterday.


I cannot do the actual responses to it justice.

 

[Prettyricky]

I sincerely doubt the governor would be deeply apologizing and calling the arrests unacceptable if it were a "clean" arrest. Maybe if he strongly or powerfully apologized, you'd find it more to your liking?

Why should the governor apologize and why would it be more to my liking? Shouldn't the police chief apologize? Again answer my question of why CNN is the only one to have there reporter arrested wrongly or not? I saw plenty of male and female reporters of different ethnicities make it through coverage without issue. Unless your saying its racist if it just happens to CNN.

 

[InCali]

This is all happening because George Floyd was murdered while being arrested by this same PD. I mean... goddamn.

Yeah. They aren't exactly burnishing their public image. I'm sure the PC, mayor, and governor are all freaking out. Look, I can understand the cops being on edge, but this was rather stupid in more ways than one.

 

[Snow Queen]

On the Shameik Moore front, I see that he "apologized" this morning claiming this was the wrong time to talk about this stuff. And this lead me to this post I did not see yesterday.


I cannot do the actual responses to it justice.

He left this up?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah. They aren't exactly burnishing their public image. I'm sure the PC, mayor, and governor are all freaking out. Look, I can understand the cops being on edge, but this was rather stupid in more ways than one.

At this point, I can't.Too much responsibility is with them.

 

[Prettyricky]

Yeah. They aren't exactly burnishing their public image. I'm sure the PC, mayor, and governor are all freaking out. Look, I can understand the cops being on edge, but this was rather stupid in more ways than one.

I agree as well though if he presented the proper documents to show he was with CNN and posed no threat and worked them then fine let um go or say maybe move over there where the other channels are to an area we deemed safe but you can still cover the event. I don't agree however that they had to be right there in the cops faces with a camera. The whole situation could have been handled better by both sides.

 

[HBarnill]

I’d say it’s like a South Park episode, except I’m sure the show will somehow say the protesters are just as bad as the cops.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He left this up?

Yes. This is real life.

 

[Teelie]

Thats totally it instead of ya know answering my question why CNN of all news stations is the only one to have an issue covering this protest. Ya know the same station that positioned protestors to make an event look bigger or cuomo lecturing people about quarantining while he's riding a bike around with the virus.

And you have repeatedly failed to explain what "clean coverage" is as well. You dodge answers left and right. If you bothered to actually watch the video you will know there as nothing "clean" about the way those police arrested clearly legitimate reporters doing their job, clearly not breaking the law and clearly not a threat (at least to anything besides the actions of the police against protesters).

 

[Donner]

Twitter finally grew a backbone and deleted Donald Hitler's tweet reply to the one below.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And you have repeatedly failed to explain what "clean coverage" is as well. You dodge answers left and right. If you bothered to actually watch the video you will know there as nothing "clean" about the way those police arrested clearly legitimate reporters doing their job, clearly not breaking the law and clearly not a threat (at least to anything besides the actions of the police against protesters).

It's coverage that does not get you arrested, Teelie. Keep up.

This of course ignores that the arrest itself was clearly illegal and that such circular logic means that all arrest are theoretically correct, because you wouldn't get arrested if you didn't do something wrong...

 

[Prettyricky]

And you have repeatedly failed to explain what "clean coverage" is as well. You dodge answers left and right. If you bothered to actually watch the video you will know there as nothing "clean" about the way those police arrested clearly legitimate reporters doing their job, clearly not breaking the law and clearly not a threat (at least to anything besides the actions of the police against protesters).

Can you not read what I said? I said repeatedly now clean coverage as no reporters arrested. Also a step further reporters of the same ethnicity as this gentlemen from CNN.

I just also said above they could have handled that better.

now answer my question is it only racist because this reporter was a minority and he worked for CNN?

how come other channels that have reporters of the same ethnicity had zero issues covering the same event?

 

[InCali]

Why should the governor apologize and why would it be more to my liking? Shouldn't the police chief apologize? Again answer my question of why CNN is the only one to have there reporter arrested wrongly or not? I saw plenty of male and female reporters of different ethnicities make it through coverage without issue. Unless your saying its racist if it just happens to CNN.

I think the idea of apologizing is that you are a public official whose responsibility includes the area where something wrong happened and, sure, I think it would be appropriate for the PC to apologize. You'd have to go to the people making the arrest to find out why, but "why" doesn't mean it should have happened. If it was done wrongly, the question of "why" is rather silly because it shouldn't have happened.

By your logic, someone could say "Why is it that George Floyd was the ONLY one killed? What was it about HIM that was different than other black men who got arrested?"

 

[Teelie]

Can you not read what I said? I said repeatedly now clean coverage as no reporters arrested. Also a step further reporters of the same ethnicity as this gentlemen from CNN.

I just also said above they could have handled that better.

now answer my question is it only racist because this reporter was a minority and he worked for CNN?

how come other channels that have reporters of the same ethnicity had zero issues covering the same event?

That is the most absurd defense of illegal arrest of a reporter yet. You just made that up on the spot, didn't you? I don't recall saying the police were racist for arresting a black reporter, but I did say it was illegal. Race might have been incidental but it does not change the arrest was illegal from the begininning. And you also responded with that weak defense while I was responding myself.

Your go to move is to claim CNN somehow set up this arrest but fail to go further than implying it was CNN's fault. As if the fact they are CNN is all that needs saying.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Can you not read what I said? I said repeatedly now clean coverage as no reporters arrested. Also a step further reporters of the same ethnicity as this gentlemen from CNN.

I just also said above they could have handled that better.

now answer my question is it only racist because this reporter was a minority and he worked for CNN?

how come other channels that have reporters of the same ethnicity had zero issues covering the same event?

This is circular logic, that ignores that one can be arrested for doing nothing wrong. They could of had the cleanest reporting (whatever that would mean) and still be arrested because someone was power tripping, being racist, etc.

Also the idea that because only one group was arrested, means nothing. Of course they didn't try to arrest all of the news companies. That would tip their hand on their intimidation game.

 

[Prettyricky]

I think the idea of apologizing is that you are a public official whose responsibility includes the area where something wrong happened and, sure, I think it would be appropriate for the PC to apologize. You'd have to go to the people making the arrest to find out why, but "why" doesn't mean it should have happened. If it was done wrongly, the question of "why" is rather silly because it shouldn't have happened.

By your logic, someone could say "Why is it that George Floyd was the ONLY one killed? What was it about HIM that was different than other black men who got arrested?"

comparing straight up murder from a cop to a reporter being detained for god knows what reason are completely different outside of the same ethnicity of each victim.

I have no idea what those riot cops were told before going out but its a very chaotic situation that reporters trying to get into the “thick” of it bring anxiety and tension to a situation that already has plenty of it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think the idea of apologizing is that you are a public official whose responsibility includes the area where something wrong happened and, sure, I think it would be appropriate for the PC to apologize. You'd have to go to the people making the arrest to find out why, but "why" doesn't mean it should have happened. If it was done wrongly, the question of "why" is rather silly because it shouldn't have happened.

By your logic, someone could say "Why is it that George Floyd was the ONLY one killed? What was it about HIM that was different than other black men who got arrested?"

He didn't have a clean arrest.