🌎 Discussion: Civil Rights, Affirmative Action, Critical Race Theory, Systemic Inequality, and Racism - Part 4

[AResistor]

If the suspects are caught and admit to that, sure. If Smollett or his manager turn over phones records to verify they were speaking at the time of the attack I'd at least say it has more credibility.

You didn't answer the question.

So is your answer: "No, he was never targeted by Trump supporters" ?

 

[AResistor]

I'll make this easier and narrower for you Holiday - feeling generous.

Was Jussie recently (like, let's say less than 15 days) targeted by Trump supporters who explicitly made it clear that they support MAGA while doing it?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The twitter account of a Fox News affliate highlighted that part of the search warrant in a tweet. Lee Merritt (same lawyer from the false Dixon Cole rape case, same lawyer who pushed the anti-white , anti Trump angle in the Jazmine Barnes story) immediately pointed to that as evidence that the police were against his client.

Nice bit of deflection. My point was and still is about how that information is used in discussions of such crimes. How violence is perpetrated against a minority, and the argument suddenly becomes about the kind of person they are. It is the implication that the person was/is a shady person and thus the violence acted upon them can in someway be justified. The classic, "they had it coming". It is what happened when Botham Jean was murdered inside his own home. It is what happened when Trayvon Martin was murdered because he was walking home at night. It now what is happening here. Instant deflection from the idea that violence was committed.

This could all be complete fantasy. It would not change the initial reaction from so many of the right. Because whether it did or did not happen, it is always the same. Trying to rationalize it.

 

[Holiday]

I'll make this easier and narrower for you Holiday - feeling generous.

Was Jussie recently (like, let's say less than 15 days) targeted by Trump supporters who explicitly made it clear that they support MAGA while doing it?

Oh, you were referring to the letter he was sent at Fox. Yeah, it had MAGA on the front. Have investigators figured out who specifically sent that letter? Do we know if it has any connection to what happened in Chicago?

 

[Donner]

Why oh why are you wasting so much effort to try and cast doubt on a MAGA attack? Is there not more than enough evidence that these people are insane?

 

[AResistor]

Oh, you were referring to the letter he was sent at Fox. Yeah, it had MAGA on the front. Have investigators figured out who specifically sent that letter? Do we know if it has any connection to what happened in Chicago?

Connection to Chicago is unknown at this time.

But your first question tells us all that we already know. "Have investigators figured out who sent it?" otherwise known as "do investigators know for sure yet if a Trump supporter sent it?"

For those interested - this person tracked how soon claims of it being a "hoax" started and the states it was most prominent in. Studies are - unsurprising, but still informative to see it all in stats like this.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I just saw the Ralph Northham photo. That was some legit, old timey, 100% racism. Goddamn.

 

[Sithborg]

He acknowledges that it is. Won't say which one he is in the picture though.

 

[Holiday]

Nice bit of deflection. My point was and still is about how that information is used in discussions of such crimes. How violence is perpetrated against a minority, and the argument suddenly becomes about the kind of person they are. It is the implication that the person was/is a shady person and thus the violence acted upon them can in someway be justified. The classic, "they had it coming". It is what happened when Botham Jean was murdered inside his own home. It is what happened when Trayvon Martin was murdered because he was walking home at night. It now what is happening here. Instant deflection from the idea that violence was committed.

This could all be complete fantasy. It would not change the initial reaction from so many of the right. Because whether it did or did not happen, it is always the same. Trying to rationalize it.

You said it was a conservative media dog whistle but provided no example of such. The Twitter account of a single Fox News affiliate does not represent conservative media. Ben Shapiro tweeted it was irrelevant to the case. The family lawyer made the biggest deal out of it in the media.

To say Trayvon Martian was killed for walking down the street at night is a biased simplification of that nights events. You would have to ignore key facts to make that statement, such as Martin being on top of Zimmerman when he was shot and Zimmermans injuries. For the record, I think Zimmerman should be in prison. It's not self defense when a person repeatedly escalates the situation.

Its not just the right calling B.S. on this story with Smollett. Its the right, the left, and the city of Chicago questioning this.

 

[Teelie]

I do find it confusing how Republicans can demand Northam resign but will mostly stay mum on Steven King of Iowa who is outwardly and proudly a racist. Outside of having no choice but to remove him from his chairs because he finally got too (openly) bigoted for their liking I have not seen them demand he resign and in fact they helped re-elect him.

 

[Schlosser85]

They also rallied behind Roy Moore who was diddling underage girls while being against gay and trans rights cause “family values”.

 

[AResistor]

Its the right, the left

True.

With that said just because they're on the left doesn't mean they don't hold racist or homophobic beliefs which would lead them to discounting minority testimony.

Many of these same people who are on the left are the same people on the left who sided with Kevin Hart in thinking that him joking about assaulting his potentially gay son was "funny."

Minorities certainly know there's still plenty of blue dogs in the party as the dirtbag Northam just showed today.

Is that my way of saying everyone who thinks that way is homophobic or racist?

Not at all.

Just that the left isn't ideologically pure.

The city of Chicago questioning this.

You mean the citizens just like you who happen to live in Chicago? Yeah and plenty of other areas too.

City - as in governmental or law enforcement bodies of Chicago?

Nope.

They stand behind Jussie and made a public statement to declare it.

 

[Zarex]

Its not just the right calling B.S. on this story with Smollett. Its the right, the left, and the city of Chicago questioning this.

I loathe everything having to do with our garbage president and his deplorable enablers. But my initial thought on the alleged attack was that it was a tad too "dramatic" to have been real. So many racial attacks are crude, fatal or nearly so, and not acknowledged as such by the perpetrators. This one seems different, so I am still a tad skeptical.

 

[<(o_o)>]

I loathe everything having to do with our garbage president and his deplorable enablers. But my initial thought on the alleged attack was that it was a tad too "dramatic" to have been real. So many racial attacks are crude, fatal or nearly so, and not acknowledged as such by the perpetrators. This one seems different, so I am still a tad skeptical.

Sounds like a publicity stunt since the victim in question is about to drop an album.

 

[AResistor]

Sounds like a publicity stunt since the victim in question is about to drop an album.

That's some stunt - even having the CHICAGO POLICE saying that the guy's genuine. Really, great "stunt."

(note the sarcasm)

I do love how some people apparently know so much more than the police do.

 

[<(o_o)>]

That's some stunt - even having the Chicago police saying that the guy's genuine. Really, great "stunt."

(note the sarcasm)

I do love how some people apparently know so much more than the police do.

I don't know more than the police do, its just that the guy is an actor and some things are too easy to fake, however if it was just an elaborate ruse then that is on the ones who orchestrated it.

 

[AResistor]

I don't know more than the police do, its just that the guy is an actor and some things are too easy to fake, however if it was just an elaborate ruse then that is on the ones who orchestrated it.

So actors and celebrities can't be attacked in hate crimes now? So actors and celebrities go ahead and break their own ribs now? Just to get a rise out of the public for a "stunt" - so much so that they even fool the police.

Great detective work, man. Really, brilliant.

 

[<(o_o)>]

So actors and celebrities can't be attacked in hate crimes now? So actors and celebrities go ahead and break their own ribs now? Just to get a rise out of the public for a "stunt" - so much so that they even fool the police.

Great detective work, man. Really, brilliant.

Forgive me for getting involved in the discussion and giving my opinion that I can't prove.

 

[AResistor]

Forgive me for getting involved in the discussion and giving my opinion that I can't prove.

Is this the new form of "my first amendment!"

There is free speech, but that also means that others are free to call them out for making ludicrous statements.

Go on and keep believing that the guy's a villainous mastermind who psychotically breaks his own ribs and knows how to "stay in character" so much that he fools everyone around him - including and especially the police.

That really makes a lot of sense. Keep up your crack detective work.

 

[Sithborg]

Well, based on Northam's response, he really needs to resign.

 

[Drizzle]

How in the hell did a picture like that end up in a yearbook in 1984?

 

[Teelie]

The same way we have Trump in 2019: People just don't care enough about racism.

 

[Holiday]

I loathe everything having to do with our garbage president and his deplorable enablers. But my initial thought on the alleged attack was that it was a tad too "dramatic" to have been real. So many racial attacks are crude, fatal or nearly so, and not acknowledged as such by the perpetrators. This one seems different, so I am still a tad skeptical.

Its too bad for Smollett he's an a actor and not a writer, maybe he could have come up with a more believable story.

That a homosexual or black (or both) person was attacked on the street by racists isn't unbelievable in itself, but the details he has provided just don't make sense. Two Trump supporters in Chicago recognize him from a tv show a Trump supporter likely wouldn't ever watch. It was freezing cold so I imagine his face was obscured to some degree. The bleach doesnt make sense. His reason for being out at that time is suspect.

Sounds like a publicity stunt since the victim in question is about to drop an album.

Plus a tv show and political ties with a newly announced presidential candidate.

So actors and celebrities can't be attacked in hate crimes now? So actors and celebrities go ahead and break their own ribs now? Just to get a rise out of the public for a "stunt" - so much so that they even fool the police.

Great detective work, man. Really, brilliant.

Where did that poster claim Smollett broke his own ribs? One can believe he was attacked without believing his story behind it. Was even confirmed by Chicago PD that his ribs were indeed broken?

 

[Holiday]

That's some stunt - even having the CHICAGO POLICE saying that the guy's genuine. Really, great "stunt."

(note the sarcasm)

I do love how some people apparently know so much more than the police do.

They're not going to do a press release where they say he's lying. They need his cooperation, especially if they end up trying to build a case against him.

 

[MurkeNyou]

They're not going to do a press release where they say he's lying. They need his cooperation, especially if they end up trying to build a case against him.

Wait, are you implying this guy is taking advantage of clearly being a victim of a MAGAt fueled hate crime? Ok, well at least people know who they are dealing with.