🌎 Discussion: Civil Rights, Affirmative Action, Critical Race Theory, Systemic Inequality, and Racism - Part 4

[DarthSkywalker]

I read more about the case last night. These two were doing more than reporting a crime. They were hunting him down. He saw them, and ran away. They drove around and found him again.

Now put yourself in his position. You’re out for a normal jog not bothering anyone. Two white men in a pickup truck try to stop you. You get away and they follow you. Then you see they have guns. Do you run? Fight for your life? After they shot him, did either of them immediately call 911? Nope.

Meanwhile, in Michigan, angry white men are allowed to carry weapons into a statehouse, and not a single shot is fired by anyone.

If you are a black man, you can not go anywhere in this country without immediately being considered a threat for just standing there.

They lynched him.

 

[Marvel united]

They lynched him.

That's what it was. No matter how much they try to sugarcoat it

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Grand jury is required for major crimes in Georgia, it appears.

Thanks SB. To me this is another hoop they use to try and avoid prosecutions in such cases. Here we have a former cop murdering another unarmed black man. Should questionable cases go to a grand jury? Probably. But a case like this? Also how they present these cases to the grand jury is another game that is played here. The second prosecutor thought this was perfectly fine based on the the citizen's arrest law. Not according to the citizen's arrest law:

 

[samsnee]

That's what it was. No matter how much they try to sugarcoat it

You could see in the video he tried to run around the truck on the passenger side. He sees one of them has a gun. So his choice was either to keep running and be shot in the back or fight for his life. He was dead either way.

 

[Holiday]

Thanks SB. To me this is another hoop they use to try and avoid prosecutions in such cases. Here we have a former cop murdering another unarmed black man. Should questionable cases go to a grand jury? Probably. But a case like this? Also how they present these cases to the grand jury is another game that is played here. The second prosecutor thought this was perfectly fine based on the the citizen's arrest law. Not according to the citizen's arrest law:

A Vigilante Killing in Georgia

I came here to post this article but that video touches on the key points in that piece explaining how citizen's arrest law doesn't allow what these two did. I'm shocked that someone who worked in law enforcement thought they'd be in the right legally here. I hope they both will go to prison for this and I think they will ultimately.

 

[Holiday]

Things very from state to state (which is absurd, IMO, but we're junkies for the federal system) In most cases, they can't be held in prison unless they're charged. And in this state, apparently a crime like this has to be brought before a grand jury, which multiple local and state officials refused to do until now. They've declined to act because of "Stand Your Ground" laws (such as the ones that acquitted George Zimmerman) are loosely interpreted to allow residents of states that have such laws to shoot anyone they perceive as threatening. Thankfully, it is finally being taken to a Grand Jury, but because of those laws, and the deep-rooted racial biases still omnipresent in America (especially in the South) there's no way of knowing if they'll truly face justice.

Zimmerman wasn't acquitted because of "Stand Your Ground", his legal team cited and won with standard self defense.

No, Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Did Not Determine Either Zimmerman or Dunn Cases

 

[Schlosser85]

They’re being charged with murder.

Father and son charged with murder of unarmed black man Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia

 

[Sithborg]

There mere fact that they had to get an outside prosecutor to do this is disgusting.

 

[RockSP]

Mofos are REALLY getting into the vigilante life. I'm sure the current political regime hasn't emboldened them in any way...

High school senior, mother say large group of armed people, including off-duty deputy, terrorized them in their home

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There mere fact that they had to get an outside prosecutor to do this is disgusting.

Because the father worked with them, I understand why they had to recuse themselves. That said, the second prosecutor was a piece of trash. Also it seems you don't have to wait for a grand jury in Georgia?

 

[CaptainWagner]

And people still insist that Prager is a "serious intellectual" who is being oppressed by YouTube and the other big platforms and that anyone who calls him racism is "proof that racism doesn't mean anything anymore." The man is out here literally complaining that he can't use racial slurs! The sheer amount of self-delusion from the Young-Right is astounding.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And people still insist that Prager is a "serious intellectual" who is being oppressed by YouTube and the other big platforms and that anyone who calls him racism is "proof that racism doesn't mean anything anymore." The man is out here literally complaining that he can't use racial slurs! The sheer amount of self-delusion from the Young-Right is astounding.

Either those people are liars, or they are ****ing stupid.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So, want to hear something truly astounding? According to the lawyer of the victim's family the one who filmed and leaked the video was the third man chasing the jogger during this lynching. He thought leaking it would aid in the self-defense case. In real life.

 

[Sithborg]

****ing hell. Goddamn modern day lynching.

 

[Holiday]

I read more about the case last night. These two were doing more than reporting a crime. They were hunting him down. He saw them, and ran away. They drove around and found him again.

Now put yourself in his position. You’re out for a normal jog not bothering anyone. Two white men in a pickup truck try to stop you. You get away and they follow you. Then you see they have guns. Do you run? Fight for your life? After they shot him, did either of them immediately call 911? Nope.

Meanwhile, in Michigan, angry white men are allowed to carry weapons into a statehouse, and not a single shot is fired by anyone.

If you are a black man, you can not go anywhere in this country without immediately being considered a threat for just standing there.

Meanwhile, in Michigan...

Armed black citizens escort Michigan lawmaker to capitol after volatile rightwing protest

 

[Lighthouse]

Meanwhile, in Michigan...

Armed black citizens escort Michigan lawmaker to capitol after volatile rightwing protest

Good for them.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Mofos are REALLY getting into the vigilante life. I'm sure the current political regime hasn't emboldened them in any way...

High school senior, mother say large group of armed people, including off-duty deputy, terrorized them in their home

New Hanover deputy fired, now facing criminal charges for role in Pender County ‘vigilante mob’ | Port City Daily

 

[chamber-music]

Waycross Judicial Circuit District Attorney Roger Barnhill is a scumbag. It didn't take long for him to start smearing Arbery

“This family are not strangers to the local criminal justice system,” Barnhill wrote in his letter to Carr. “From best we can tell, Ahmaud’s older brother has gone to prison in the past and is currently in the Glynn jail, without bond, awaiting new felony prosecution. It also appears a cousin has been prosecuted by DA Johnson’s office.”

Having relatives with a criminal record makes murder victims criminals now

A Vigilante Killing in Georgia

I came here to post this article but that video touches on the key points in that piece explaining how citizen's arrest law doesn't allow what these two did. I'm shocked that someone who worked in law enforcement thought they'd be in the right legally here. I hope they both will go to prison for this and I think they will ultimately.

Plenty of people who work in law enforcement are ignorant of the law.
I would wager most cops aren't legally educated particularly well.

The fact that these guys didn't actually see the victim committing a crime but choose to go after him shows a lack or legal awareness. If you can't prove your actions would be legally justified in a court of law then you should probably think twice before taking action.

 

[Teelie]

If you smear Arbery and his family as criminals the logic goes it's okay to murder him in cold blood without a good self defense cause. He's a criminal and probably deserved it.

How that kind of logic coming from a District Attorney is acceptable is criminal in itself.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

CNN - Ahmaud Arbery: Suspect in killing was involved in prior investigation of 25-year-old

One of the men accused in the fatal shooting of Ahmaud Arbery was involved in a previous prosecution of Arbery, according to a letter written by a prosecutor who has since recused himself from the case.

CNN - Crime stats call into question Ga. men's 'burglary' claims
No burglaries reported in month before men chased Ahmaud Arbery as a suspect

The two white men arrested Thursday evening in the fatal shooting of Ahmaud Arbery told police they believed he was a suspect in a series of break-ins. But no such string of crimes was reported in the weeks preceding the shooting, a police lieutenant told CNN.

 

[terry78]

So he already had a personal vendetta.

 

[Holiday]

Waycross Judicial Circuit District Attorney Roger Barnhill is a *******. It didn't take long for him to start smearing Arbery



Having relatives with a criminal record makes murder victims criminals now

Plenty of people who work in law enforcement are ignorant of the law.
I would wager most cops aren't legally educated particularly well.

The fact that these guys didn't actually see the victim committing a crime but choose to go after him shows a lack or legal awareness. If you can't prove your actions would be legally justified in a court of law then you should probably think twice before taking action.

The D.A. who recused herself looking just as bad now.

Ahmaud Arbery Shooting -- District Attorney Stopped Officers from Making Arrests, Commissioner Claims | National Review

“The police at the scene went to her, saying they were ready to arrest both of them. These were the police at the scene who had done the investigation,” said Commissioner Allen Booker. “She shut them down to protect her friend [Gregory] McMichael.”

Commissioner Peter Murphy concurred, saying that when police turned to Johnson’s office to inform them of intent to arrest McMichael, police “were told not to make the arrest.”