🌎 Discussion: Civil Rights, Affirmative Action, Critical Race Theory, Systemic Inequality, and Racism - Part 4

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Lily Adler said:
My fear is this will encourage copy cats.
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There's apparently nothing stopping Rittenhouse from walking out of the courthouse, opening the trunk of his mom's car, and carrying his assault rifle out to the protests that will likely happen tonight. **** Optics, amiright?
 
HBarnill said:
"F*** White People" is trending on Twitter.

Not sure that's the correct response to this sham but not surprising verdict but minorities have the right to be angry. As hopelessly naive as this sounds, we just have to keep fighting.
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Yeah. IIRC I normally agree with you on much, but I do in this case. Anger makes us all sorta stupid, but, man, just stop with this Justice is Blind and Scales of Justice BS. There is no equality in the legal system and it won't get fixed until we recognize that. Frankly, I'm against the concept that a person of means can basically buy their freedom or at least a more favorable verdict, by retaining a high priced attorney. If attorneys were appointed to the rich and poor alike, this mess would be fixed quickly.
 
Look at how far the right have fallen - they’re celebrating a murderer getting off.


Ironically, literally none of the heroes pictured here would be for Rittenhouse’s acquittal and would be disgusted…
 
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Because this keeps getting brought up on Twitter, fine, I'll play the game for them:

Blake, Rosenbaum, and Huber weren't angels. They've committed crimes and should have been arrested and tried, and that's exactly what happened to the latter 2 for their previous crimes, which were despicable, and probably should have gotten harsher sentences for them. What Blake did was horrible, too.

But...

Who gets to be the judge, jury, and executioner? The police? Rittenhouse? What kind of a legal system is that? Did the cops know what Blake did? Did Rittenhouse know what those two men did?

Again, because I know this will come up, I despise rapists, domestic abusers, pedophiles, looters, criminals in general. But if we are gonna live in a civil society and not one based on vengeance and lynches, then what else can we say?
 
NotNickFury said:
Not surprised. Honestly I'm glad this media circus of a trial is over, given how much of a hoopla this trial has become. I think the video really helped show the jury that Rittenhouse wasn't the aggressor, that one witness saying that he pointed his gun first- which honestly should've just led to a quick mistrial right there- but this is why evidence matters. Admittedly, the defense and prosecution had some major errors, though Binger really took the cake on his closing statement.

Hopefully Kenosha is safe tonight, but you never know.
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In what world can you pack up your gun, drive across state lines, insert yourself in the middle of a protest, and then claim self defence when people confront you?
 
Donner said:
In what world can you pack up your gun, drive across state lines, insert yourself in the middle of a protest, and then claim self defence when people confront you?
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The same world that let George Zimmerman off the hook only to learn time and again that he was a piece of human garbage that obviously did kill a kid who was just going home.
 
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Donner said:
In what world can you pack up your gun, drive across state lines, insert yourself in the middle of a protest, and then claim self defence when people confront you?
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In a world or country where common sense is out of function since Trump went into the office. Both left and right have lost the plot.
 
Protagonist said:
In a world or country where common sense is out of function since Trump went into the office. Both left and right have lost the plot.
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That is bull****.

It just is.

Self satisfied bull****.

One side and only one side is showing up at Dealy plaza trying to catch a glimspe of a still live JFK.

Football stadiums worth of Americans aren't dead because the Left decided to **** all over public health and believe the ****ing dumbest conspiracy theories.

The Left isn't the one actively underminning the election system based on no evidence at all just their own paranoid delsions. And the Left didn't lose case after case trying to prove this because they had no evidence.

Our police are being unaccountable because one side apparently despite all the talk about disliking government overreach doesn't give a **** about police never being held to task even for killing citizens. And that's not the Left.

The Left didn't storm the Capitol in an act of domestic terrorism based again on just how ****ing incredulous they choose to be.

Whatever equivalent thing you're gonna bring up to counter is just gonna pale in comparison to what the Right is actively doing and the consequences we ALL have to pay because there is in the land a Party and a political out look that is slipping into exactly where the German Republic was right before the worst happened and you know what's a contributing factor?

The bull**** false equivalency **** slung on the internet daily.

People's personal feelings on gender pronouns and the debates around it aren't killing anyone and they aren't degrading our infrastructure, promoting conspiratorial thinking, dismissing system issues that affect millions or handwave away the deaths of hundreds of thousands.


And the Left doesn't make "Heroes" out of the likes of George Zimmerman or Rittenhouse.

Property damage is not an appropriate response to murder, but murder is a appropriate response to property damage?


Sell the both sides **** to the tourists who have a two minute attention span.
 
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Donner said:
In what world can you pack up your gun, drive across state lines, insert yourself in the middle of a protest, and then claim self defence when people confront you?
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In what world is it not self-defense when people are coming at you and you do nothing? That sounds akin to Binger saying during one of his final statements that everyone takes a beating. Sure, that doesn't mean you have to let it happen.

Again, did you see the witness on the stand who said he pulled his gun on Rittenhouse before Rittenhouse fired? Also, it was already stated during the trial that Rittenhouse drove to Kenosha two days before the incident, with the gun already in Kenosha. Hardly some huge offense of crossing state lines when he was 20 minutes away from Kenosha anyway.

There's the emotions of the situation, and then there's the facts of the matter.
 
NotNickFury said:
In what world is it not self-defense when people are coming at you and you do nothing? That sounds akin to Binger saying during one of his final statements that everyone takes a beating. Sure, that doesn't mean you have to let it happen.

Again, did you see the witness on the stand who said he pulled his gun on Rittenhouse before Rittenhouse fired? Also, it was already stated during the trial that Rittenhouse drove to Kenosha two days before the incident, with the gun already in Kenosha. Hardly some huge offense of crossing state lines when he was 20 minutes away from Kenosha anyway.

There's the emotions of the situation, and then there's the facts of the matter.
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You missed my point. If you're at home and you hear about a fight going on 10km away and you take your gun to that fight, how can you claim self defense when you willingly put yourself in danger? It's not like Rittenhouse was chilling at home and someone came to his door to attack him. He specifically went out looking to instigate trouble. What gave him the right to act like judge, jury, and executioner at a protest? Why did he even go? What did he bring the gun for? Why didn't he just call the police if he was worried about the protesters?
 
Donner said:
You missed my point. If you're at home and you hear about a fight going on 10km away and you take your gun to that fight, how can you claim self defense when you willingly put yourself in danger? It's not like Rittenhouse was chilling at home and someone came to his door to attack him. He specifically went out looking to instigate trouble. What gave him the right to act like judge, jury, and executioner at a protest? Why did he even go? What did he bring the gun for? Why didn't he just call the police if he was worried about the protesters?
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Then what was your point? You say he went out looking for trouble, based on what? Did the people acting out and setting fires also go looking to instigate? Or does that not count as instigating? You say he acted like judge, jury, and executioner, but make nothing of those who rushed at him and, again, we have witness testimony that Rosenbaum pulled their gun first before Rittenhouse did anything. Who is the instigator, if not Rosenbaum, who pulled the gun first?

Simply having the gun means nothing unless you're about to use it, which is clearly what Rosenbaum intended to do? You ask why he didn't call the police- the same police who already had a million and one things on their plate while Kenosha was in an uproar. Plus, if he called the police, you'd probably claim he was looking to get someone arrested. You're asking a lot of questions, and that's fine for a trial which is now over, so I'll ask again, what was your point?

But trial's over. And depending on where you lean, there are levels of cope or relief. No need for our back and forth to clutter up the thread.
 
NotNickFury said:
Then what was your point? You say he went out looking for trouble, based on what? Did the people acting out and setting fires also go looking to instigate? Or does that not count as instigating? You say he acted like judge, jury, and executioner, but make nothing of those who rushed at him and, again, we have witness testimony that Rosenbaum pulled their gun first before Rittenhouse did anything. Who is the instigator, if not Rosenbaum, who pulled the gun first?

Simply having the gun means nothing unless you're about to use it, which is clearly what Rosenbaum intended to do? You ask why he didn't call the police- the same police who already had a million and one things on their plate while Kenosha was in an uproar. Plus, if he called the police, you'd probably claim he was looking to get someone arrested. You're asking a lot of questions, and that's fine for a trial which is now over, so I'll ask again, what was your point?

But trial's over. And depending on where you lean, there are levels of cope or relief. No need for our back and forth to clutter up the thread.
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My point is that he went to the fight looking for trouble and claimed self defense when he got said trouble. I'm not arguing for what went down once he actually got to the protest, I'm arguing that he shouldn't have gone at all. Why did he even go? It seems to me that he brought a gun either assuming there was going to be violence or ensuring that there would be. In either case, he can't really claim self defense when he put himself in the situation to begin with.

There were riots in Vancouver after they lost the Stanley Cup Final years ago. I sure as **** didn't go and join the riots and I sure as **** didn't go with a gun to break them up. And if I did and something happened to me, it would be entirely my own fault for going in the first place.
 
Donner said:
My point is that he went to the fight looking for trouble and claimed self defense when he got said trouble. I'm not arguing for what went down once he actually got to the protest, I'm arguing that he shouldn't have gone at all. Why did he even go? It seems to me that he brought a gun either assuming there was going to be violence or ensuring that there would be. In either case, he can't really claim self defense when he put himself in the situation to begin with.

There were riots in Vancouver after they lost the Stanley Cup Final years ago. I sure as **** didn't go and join the riots and I sure as **** didn't go with a gun to break them up. And if I did and something happened to me, it would be entirely my own fault for going in the first place.
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He certainly can when defending against those who charged him and, for the umpteenth time, Rosenbaum went for his gun before Rittenhouse. Also, fairly certain that when Rittenhouse went out, gun handy, he knew the vulnerable position he'd find himself in. Same goes for those who would charge someone holding a gun. They put themselves in that situation and should know the consequences of going at someone armed. That there was unrest, there's no need to assume there was violence. We all saw it play out in real time.

And you're absolutely right. If you went down and something happened to you, it would fall on you. Same as it would have with Rittenhouse or Rosenbaum or anyone else in Kenosha. They made those choices. That doesn't downplay that people are dead, but as you said, it's the fault of those who went and those causing havoc.
 
NotNickFury said:
He certainly can when defending against those who charged him and, for the umpteenth time, Rosenbaum went for his gun before Rittenhouse. Also, fairly certain that when Rittenhouse went out, gun handy, he knew the vulnerable position he'd find himself in. Same goes for those who would charge someone holding a gun. They put themselves in that situation and should know the consequences of going at someone armed. That there was unrest, there's no need to assume there was violence. We all saw it play out in real time.

And you're absolutely right. If you went down and something happened to you, it would fall on you. Same as it would have with Rittenhouse or Rosenbaum or anyone else in Kenosha. They made those choices. That doesn't downplay that people are dead, but as you said, it's the fault of those who went and those causing havoc.
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So clearly we aren't going to see the other side here. I fully believe Rittenhouse should have been convicted. He inserted himself into a situation with a gun and then was surprised when people felt threatened. There's no self defense there, he instigated the whole thing merely by showing up with a gun. He didn't have the right to play cop and walk around "protecting" Kenosha.

If you're sitting at home and you hear that a protest a few clicks away has gotten violent, why the **** would you show up with a gun? That's asking for trouble. The only reason I can see someone doing that is to kill people. Why go otherwise.
 
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