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Do you know of any fanboys/geeks who are racist?

But their values and character can be told with an actor of any skin.

Especially considering that those two characters, among many others, were white by default, due to their creation occurring in less open times.

As for the topic, I know of a few geeks who are racist, but here's the kicker: They're just people with opinions, and they're still good people. Bigotry's tricky like that.
 
Changing an established character's race is a little ridiculous (as far as Black Captain America/Spider-Man/Superman etc. The complaints about the guy in the Thor movie are silly.) Making a new character of a different race that picks up the mantle isn't.


Established in the comics. Movies are a different medium.

Ever see the made for TV Cinderella movie with Brandy? That was a multi-racial show without having much regard for the ethnicity.


What about Dean Cain as Superman? I don't know if it's because I myself am Asian but I knew straight away that he wasn't white or at least purely white. It still worked and hardly anyone noticed.

I think it's time we need to get over the "established character's race" thing when it comes to movies and enjoy it as a different medium. Some actors might be getting overlooked for something as trivial as the color of their skin.

It's not like these are historical movies where Abe Lincoln was suddenly Asian. It's a frikkin comic book. Granted some characters have their ethnicity as integral to their story, others however do not.
 
I had a friend at university who was a massive comic book geek, but had racist tendancies. Even blacked up for a joke once (which no one found particularly funny), and kept saying that monday's were racist monday's, as though that was a day of the week it was fine to be racist.

So yes, it's very much possible.

As for changing the skin colour of a superhero, I don't see any racism in that whatsoever. Me saying 'I don't support the idea of a black Superman' is no different than me saying 'I don't support the idea of a blonde haired Superman'. It's not racist, it's just not the character.
 
Granted some characters have their ethnicity as integral to their story, others however do not.
Name one white superhero whose ethnicity is integral to their story. I really can't think of a single one.
 
Captain America. It's ironic that an aryan would fight Nazis.

Lone Ranger. He's a Texas Ranger.

Thor. He's a Norse God.

Three off the top of my head.



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I had a friend at university who was a massive comic book geek, but had racist tendancies. Even blacked up for a joke once (which no one found particularly funny), and kept saying that monday's were racist monday's, as though that was a day of the week it was fine to be racist.

So yes, it's very much possible.

As for changing the skin colour of a superhero, I don't see any racism in that whatsoever. Me saying 'I don't support the idea of a black Superman' is no different than me saying 'I don't support the idea of a blonde haired Superman'. It's not racist, it's just not the character.


The fact that you can't see someone other than a Caucasian playing Superman does make you racist. Deny it all you want. Not only that but you're hairist too
 
Name one white superhero whose ethnicity is integral to their story. I really can't think of a single one.

Black Panther is a Wakandan king.

Sorry you said white. Captain America, the irony of a white person fighting against the ideal of Aryan superiority.
Danny Rand, gwai lo learning an Asian martial arts, although that can easily be translated to a black character, just needed to be outsider.

Hell Superman is Kryptonian, he could be any effing thing. Superman is recognizable from his iconic suit and red cape. I think anybody can play him if done right.
 
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Established in the comics. Movies are a different medium.

Ever see the made for TV Cinderella movie with Brandy? That was a multi-racial show without having much regard for the ethnicity.


What about Dean Cain as Superman? I don't know if it's because I myself am Asian but I knew straight away that he wasn't white or at least purely white. It still worked and hardly anyone noticed.

I think it's time we need to get over the "established character's race" thing when it comes to movies and enjoy it as a different medium. Some actors might be getting overlooked for something as trivial as the color of their skin.

It's not like these are historical movies where Abe Lincoln was suddenly Asian. It's a frikkin comic book. Granted some characters have their ethnicity as integral to their story, others however do not.

For certain characters the race does not integral to the character, but at the same time, it might make things a bit different.

Let's take an example:
Bruce Wayne is a multi-billionaire orphan. He is the son of Gotham. His family was extremely influential and loved. As a grown man he is the CEO of an international company. This role could easily be anyone of a different race than a white man. However, when I think of a rich, snobby, playboy I think of a white man. I think of a young Hugh Hefner. I guess I find it harder to swallow that a black man or hispanic man would fall into that category. I also don't hear of many black families where the wealth went back a few generations. The backstory and family history of Bruce Wayne was tailored from a white perspective. You would have to change that for it to be believable to the general audience.

Some other examples of characters I'd have a hard time seeing with a race change:

Captain America - if you go with the WWII origin black men would not have been given the special opportunity like a white man. Civil rights was not until some decades later.

Wolverine - He's a Canuck, and let's face it, a bit of a redneck. His hair is also a bit of a trademark to his character.

Characters I could be more open to a race change:

Spiderman - A kid growing up in NY with his Aunt. Nerdy and a photographer. This could be anyone.

Professor Xavier - Years ago, I had the thought of Laurence Fishburne being Professor X after his role in The Matrix. You could change character history and have him fighting for civil rights that would parallel his fights for
mutant rights.

For the character, Blade, could a white man play the role? Is the fact that Blade is black really all that important to his character? I don't know much from the character other than what I have seen in the movies. From the movies all we are told is he grew up on the streets and is a badass vampire killer with an attitude.

My point is, if the background and story of a character are already laid out, it might be more difficult to change a character's race without changing it to more fit the new race. How fans would react to that, is impossible to tell.
 
Hell, Blade's powers and nationality were already changed for the movies. He was originally English and his only power was that vampires found his blood repulsive. Nobody would've even noticed if his race changed back when they made the first movie.
 
The controversy over black Asgardians and muslim Batman has me wondering if there are racist fanboys and geeks out there.

I may have a utopian view of geeks but I never it was in our nature to be racist.

Do you guys know of any racist fanboys or geeks?

Oh hell yeah they exist. Geeks are insular and ;put themselves in a variety of Us/Them classifications. Just bring up the question of letting girls in the clubhouse and you'll unleash a lot of sexists.

Same with other forms of bigots.
 
I'll say this. When it comes down to changing the race of a superhero like Superman, Spider-Man, Batman (etc), I'm not against it because I am a racist but I am against it because it comes off as unnecessary. Changing Batman from a white dude to a black dude would be change for the sake of change and that is just unnecessary and distracting. Everyone knows he is white, so leave it be.

Of course, there are exceptions like Nick Fury. There are two Nick Furys and it just so happened that Ultimate Nick Fury was based off of Samuel L. Jackson and a great idea was "hey, why not just get Samuel L. Jackson, one of the most widely known actors in Hollywood, to play a character we asked for his consent to be based off of?" So 616 Nick Fury fans can just cry themselves a river because that is a credible exception. Besides, nobody even cares about Nick Fury. The same goes for Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin. How many A-list big guys were there in Hollywood that could play the Kingpin? They cast Duncan because he was a big man and because he had drawing power fresh off of The Green Mile. Besides, nobody cares about the Kingpin anyway.

So pretty much, the point I am trying to make is that when it comes down to changing the race of a well-known comic book character like Batman or Superman, it is just unnecessary. I wouldn't mind seeing a black Spider-Man, but Spider-Man is white, so keep him white. Just to clarify, I am half-black and half-Asian. So I better not be labeled as a racist.
 
Yes, some fanboys are racist. I emphasize "some" because obviously saying "all" of them are racist would be stupid and insulting to majority of fanboys who are open minded decent people.

If you don't believe fanboys can be racist all you need to do is ask some of the black comic book creators. Some of the more prominent ones have gotten some disturbing hate mail and had some unpleasant run ins with such "fans" on message boards. The irony in those situations is that the creators are often called racist by the people displaying the racist attitude.

Hell, Blade's powers and nationality were already changed for the movies. He was originally English and his only power was that vampires found his blood repulsive. Nobody would've even noticed if his race changed back when they made the first movie.

In the comics Blade still is English and they've actually made him biracial recently.
 
In the comics Blade still is English and they've actually made him biracial recently.

I didn't say they changed the comics version of him. I was talking about the movies.
 
I'm with the mentality that these characters already have established identities, and such, those traits and characteristics shouldn't be changed in the movies.

The examples that were brought up: Lois & Clark - I didn't even know that Dean Cain wasn't white. And the Cinderella example? Both of those are bad examples, because those were made to be new takes on the mythology, not necessarily a "true to source" adaptation like something like Batman Begins. Hell, even movies like Batman & Robin or X-Men: The Last Stand, while taking their creative liberties (and yes, messing things up in the process), are at least meant to be adaptations of the source, not new takes on something already existing.

I'm also okay with someone like Bolivar Trask being played by a black man in the movie, because he is such a minor character that it's not a huge deal.

As far as Muslim Batman goes - I don't have a problem with a big time superhero being Muslim. Doesn't bother me in the least. My biggest problem with the whole idea (an idea that I am only becoming aware of after reading this thread) is I don't like the concept of a Batman franchise. To me, Batman is Bruce Wayne. Not different people throughout different cities of the world. And I would feel that way if the new Batman's name was Ali Akhbar, Tyrone Crenshaw, or Steven Harris.

In response to that comic strip, which overall I found humor in, I do think this is a PR stunt. Not because they are making a hero out of someone who is not a white, possibly Christian male, but rather because they are taking quite possibly the most iconic comic book character of all time, and are now giving him an identity that is, quite honestly, controversial, whether we want to be PC about it or not. I wouldn't necessarily see it as a PR stunt if DC or Marvel created a new character that was also Muslim.
 
In response to that comic strip, which overall I found humor in, I do think this is a PR stunt. Not because they are making a hero out of someone who is not a white, possibly Christian male, but rather because they are taking quite possibly the most iconic comic book character of all time, and are now giving him an identity that is, quite honestly, controversial, whether we want to be PC about it or not. I wouldn't necessarily see it as a PR stunt if DC or Marvel created a new character that was also Muslim.

But it is a new character. His name is Bilal. He's not replacing anybody. The point of Batman Inc. is that Bruce is recruiting Batmen from around the world, and this new character is only one of the people he's chosen. There's also a dude in Japan named Jiro. Whether or not you like the idea of Batman sharing his identity is another point altogether, and you've already stated how you feel about that, but we are talking about a new character here. When the whole point of your story is to gather a bunch of different people from around the world, one of those people having such-and-such religion isn't a PR stunt.
 
Captain America. It's ironic that an aryan would fight Nazis.

Lone Ranger. He's a Texas Ranger.

Thor. He's a Norse God.

Three off the top of my head.



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Why can't the Lone Ranger be black? What does him being a Texas Ranger have anything to do with his skin color? It would be even more poetic that a black man fought aryan Nazis so Captain America could be black. He isn't representing white anything. Why do Norse gods have to be white? Because the people who made them up were white? What in Thor's character makes him have to be white?

There really aren't any superheroes whose unique identity has to be white or else you change everything they stand for.
 
So basically this thread is saying we can change white characters as much as we want because they were created in an older time. But we couldn't change a black character to anything else, because they were created with a purpose? Just checking the stance. And if you can't think of a better reason as to not change them other than their creation, your a racist.

Let's look at the Ultimate universe. You have some cases of them changing race, and it's fine. IE Nick Fury. But Spider-Man was still white. The new Batman/Superman Earth One stories, they are still white. So obviously some characters' race are important to more than just fans.

The Muslim Batman thing is ridiculous because it's not Bruce Wayne in the established DC Universe or a new one. It's a new character.
 
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So basically this thread is saying we can change white characters as much as we want because they were created in an older time. But we couldn't change a black character to anything else, because they were created with a purpose? Just checking the stance. And if you can't think of a better reason as to not change them other than their creation, your a racist.

Let's look at the Ultimate universe. You have some cases of them changing race, and it's fine. IE Nick Fury. But Spider-Man was still white. The new Batman/Superman Earth One stories, they are still white. So obviously some characters' race are important to more than just fans.

The Muslim Batman thing is ridiculous because it's not Bruce Wayne in the established DC Universe or a new one. It's a new character.

They've done stories before though where Superman and Batman were black.

In the cases of some character their race IS important and a part of their character. Film adaptations of comic books almost never completely stick to the source material so even in those cases at times it's not a big deal (to me at least).

I said in another thread that there is nothing about Spider-Man or Luke Cage's origins that makes it so they have to be any particular race.
 
The Question travels to the Black DC Universe...

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It's a hard thing to explain. It's like a black James Bond. It wouldn't feel right to the fans or the public no matter what happened in the film. Sure comic books aren't as popular with the general public as James Bond but I think the basic idea still stands for established characters.

I'm more against the Batman Inc as a whole than anything else. A big massive world wide brand isn't how I see Batman. Create a new character like Batman but in whatever country but son't turn Batman into a brand.
 
I don't like the fact that Elba is playing Heimdall in the Thor movie. Norse goods should be white(with the exception of a very Mongolian looking Hogun). But I also disliked black Kingpin. Doesn't make me racist(I'm actually quite fond of black people :dry:), I just like movies to stay true to the comics as much as possible.
 
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Branagh made the choice for his own personal reasons, so hey. He did it in the past with Shakespeare.
 
I don't like the fact that Elba is playing Heimdall in the Thor movie. Norse goods should be white(with the exception of a very Mongolian looking Hogun). But I also disliked black Kingpin. Doesn't make me racist(I'm actually quite fond of black people :dry:), I just like movies to stay true to the comics as much as possible.

I am casting you as Uncle Ruckus in the recast thread.
 

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