The Dark Knight Does anyone have any concerns about the movie....

[branwen]

Well I'm definitely not nearly as versed about Batman lore as most of you guys are, but I remember when I was in another fandom which I *did* know a lot about there was a lot of debate about characters being depicted as "true" to the original stories, which I guess is natural. There were those who wanted classic versions, and those who liked to see a new take on things, but I think inevitably art always evolves, that's sort of the nature of it, or so it seems to me. Doesn't mean it makes everyone happy though I guess, and maybe if I were more versed in the Batman lore I might be disappointed too about some of the changes but I rather like what Nolan's doing with the Joker.

I guess though the thing I'm worried the most about is that they won't really explore the interesting psychology among the characters....

 

[Doomofman]

The Smile is something that could be repared easily. Its not a life altering change. Especially since it was confirmed that at least half the smile was of the Jokers doing.

I need the true physical transformation. I need to see that you cant just wipe off the 'War Paint' and Heath Ledger stares back. If that is the case, again, Nolan has missed the mark.

Thats a load of bull****....

So you'ld be happy if he was permawhite but had no character?

No you'd piss and moan about that too...

The permawhite is NOT a necessity for the joker..

You seem to have missed the mark with your expectations of The Joker in Nolans batman universe...

Nolan has made a Joker that's so lost within his own madness that he paints his face and even cuts part of his face to make a smile... He's not someone who had no choice to have white skin... I think it makes him that more demented...

Also at the end of the day...

Nolans joker is NOT permawhite so there's no point complaining about it because it's not going to change and if you let an issue like diminish your experience of the film then you have completely missed the point of entertainment

 

[StorminNorman]

Hey, it's not 2012 yet mate
But seriously. Doubts? One. That this movie will be a critical disaster. I want a general consensus that this is a great film. And if you are going to dislike it over some make-up then you are, sorry, petty and very small minded.
Every myth differs with the telling. Do you see what I mean? There can be no definitive version of a character who holds a place in so many minds.

Petty, sorry and small minded? No. What an intollerant, arrogant and plain out stupid comment.

Would Batman be Batman without a Batsuit? Would Robin be Robin decked out in Blue and Black? Would Superman be Superman if he wasn't wearing Blue and Red? No, no and no.

The Joker being a freak is incredibly important to his character. It is what makes him that much terrifying. With other freaks in Gotham, you take away their doll, or their bowler derby or repair their face - and they can blend into society. They can be accepted.

The Joker is a freak that can never blend in. He is a monster. You take a wet cloth to a guy in clow make up and he loses a bit of his mystique. Dump a bucket of water onto The Joker and he does nothing...but laugh...a lot.

 

[BattyBlue]

AHAHA! No cape, No mask, No problem.

ROFL.

 

[The Joker]

I also don't like how Dawes is banging whoever the D.A is. Let alone banging the new D.A. after her last D.A. boyfriend was killed and showed no emotion.

Did I mention she's banging the new D.A, again?

Ummm, what proof is there that she's banging, or banged any D.A.?

 

[StylishHokie21]

My only concern is that the Joker will end up not being permawhite which will damage the likeability of him greatly.

It doesn't have to be an acid bath, but he needs to be permanantly disformed. If its just his face white - fine. He can not, however, just be some guy wearing make up. If he does, Nolan has missed the mark.

Agreed.

 

[The Battousai]

I'd like to take this opportunity to inform you on a project I've decided to undertake;

A short comic based on a Joker origin that could tie into Nolan's Joker and his universe - the ideas I'm using are those that I've come across on these very forums that struck as the most likely overall scenarios for such a story. Of course, I'm adding my own ideas into the mix as well

If anyone wants to give any input, you are welcome to do so - I can pm anyone the outline I've just started, so ask if you want

 

[cody66720]

ya know...for some hardcore fans if not most this film WILL suck for them...its not a matter of if but its a of fact and you know why? YOU ARE WAAAAAY TOO PICKY. I mean seriously some of you are griping about how the thugs who dont live past the 10 minute mark are reacting to one another and what they say and HOW they say it...jesus

 

[Reek]

My main concern is if Armageddon arrives before the movie is out. I'll be so pissed off.

yea that, and im concerned theyll kill of joker or twoface will be the next venom.

im a little confused on jokers voice though....its like he has 10 different voices....ones real deep and scary sounding, ones high pitched and raspy, ones smooth and scary, everyclip sounds diff to me.

 

[Doomofman]

Two concerns;
1. The batsuit still.. sorry still not sold on it.
2.Dialogue!!!!!! I trust nolan and his brother but if you have seen the prologue the writing seems really strained. " I believe what doesn't kill you makes you....stranger." come on that's pretty lame. The interactions between the other masked robbers is terrible. Sorry it's TERRIBLE!!! Fitchner is swet until he gets shot and goes on with the"what do you belive in?" crap. I just feel that every director who makes a good first film then does a second gets too much freedom. I felt that goyer and nolan kind of kept each other in check and by having that check and balance neither got too out of control now since goyer has taken a smaller role I'm afraid the nolans don't have that check. I'm not saying this wont be an amazing movie the trailer rocked but th prologue left alot to be desired.

I wonder why so many people seem to expect Goons and a man who is clearly psychotic to speak like damn literary student... Plus Fitchners speech makes complete sense when you think about who he works for and have any notion of the mob

 

[King K]

Ummm, what proof is there that she's banging, or banged any D.A.?

My bad, I should have said dating. There is no proof.

 

[StorminNorman]

Thats a load of bull****....

So you'ld be happy if he was permawhite but had no character?

No you'd piss and moan about that too...

The permawhite is NOT a necessity for the joker..

You seem to have missed the mark with your expectations of The Joker in Nolans batman universe...

Nolan has made a Joker that's so lost within his own madness that he paints his face and even cuts part of his face to make a smile... He's not someone who had no choice to have white skin... I think it makes him that more demented...

Also at the end of the day...

Nolans joker is NOT permawhite so there's no point complaining about it because it's not going to change and if you let an issue like diminish your experience of the film then you have completely missed the point of entertainment

Your acting as IF this is an either or question. I would be no more happy with a perfect Batman running around in a ski mask than I would be a perma-white Joker running around giving kids lollypops that aren't poison.

The Permawhite IS a necessity of the Joker. It is what makes him, him. If you look at the comics - it is what causes his psychosis (would you suggest have baby Bruce Wayne not fall into a cave of Bats when he was little? Or grow up in a loving family where his family never died?)

A painted Joker comes normal when he takes a good shower. Even if his smile is carved. The Joker should never be able to blend into society so easy. He is a freak, he will always be a freak and he should always be a freak.

There is still more to his Joker than there is to see. If his face is permawhite (which is what I believe is the case - and I could make the case if you would like) then thats fine. I am not a "purist", I just want to see the Joker on screen.

 

[ronny]

Petty, sorry and small minded? No. What an intollerant, arrogant and plain out stupid comment.

But it's true. It is make-up. That's what you're basing your anger on. Make-up.
Plus, The Joker is still a freak. Notice those cops looking at him in his little cage? Like feeding time at the bloody Zoo. Like I said, each myth changes. No one version is validated and no one version is wrong. Why not make a fan film?Seriously, you Perma-whitists should band together and show us all why you love the traditional Joker. Honestly, and I'm tired of saying this, I expect him to blech himself. In film 3. Both to cement his image and to convince the legal system that he is totally out of his ****ing mind. Ever see Chopper? Just like that. Bleach, sizzle, one way ticket to a cosy padded cell.

 

[Heretic]

I could not possibly care any less about permawhite than I already do.

Look guys, the odds of someone falling into acid and being discolored to look exactly like a clown is just astronomical....and best left out of ANY movie. I tought it was stupid as a kid when Burtons Batman did that crap.

It is AN IMPROVEMENT for him to not be permawhite...much like organic webshooters (forgiving the physical impossibility of a creature shooting that much webbing without dying or eating a crapload of food constantly).

 

[Reek]

I could not possibly care any less about permawhite than I already do.

Look guys, the odds of someone falling into acid and being discolored to look exactly like a clown is just astronomical....and best left out of ANY movie. I tought it was stupid as a kid when Burtons Batman did that crap.

It is AN IMPROVEMENT for him to not be permawhite...much like organic webshooters (forgiving the physical impossibility of a creature shooting that much webbing without dying or eating a crapload of food constantly).

im gonna have to agree

 

[Doomofman]

I could not possibly care any less about permawhite than I already do.

Look guys, the odds of someone falling into acid and being discolored to look exactly like a clown is just astronomical....and best left out of ANY movie. I tought it was stupid as a kid when Burtons Batman did that crap.

It is AN IMPROVEMENT for him to not be permawhite...much like organic webshooters (forgiving the physical impossibility of a creature shooting that much webbing without dying or eating a crapload of food constantly).

How dare you...

People fall into acid and get an even white stain all over their skin without dying or having serious health problems every day

 

[StylishHokie21]

Thats a load of bull****....

So you'ld be happy if he was permawhite but had no character?

No you'd piss and moan about that too...

The permawhite is NOT a necessity for the joker..

You seem to have missed the mark with your expectations of The Joker in Nolans batman universe...

Nolan has made a Joker that's so lost within his own madness that he paints his face and even cuts part of his face to make a smile... He's not someone who had no choice to have white skin... I think it makes him that more demented...

Also at the end of the day...

Nolans joker is NOT permawhite so there's no point complaining about it because it's not going to change and if you let an issue like diminish your experience of the film then you have completely missed the point of entertainment

Why is not a necessity? Why can't it work? It worked in the comics and the movies.

 

[cody66720]

Your acting as IF this is an either or question. I would be no more happy with a perfect Batman running around in a ski mask than I would be a perma-white Joker running around giving kids lollypops that aren't poison.

The Permawhite IS a necessity of the Joker. It is what makes him, him. If you look at the comics - it is what causes his psychosis (would you suggest have baby Bruce Wayne not fall into a cave of Bats when he was little? Or grow up in a loving family where his family never died?)

A painted Joker comes normal when he takes a good shower. Even if his smile is carved. The Joker should never be able to blend into society so easy. He is a freak, he will always be a freak and he should always be a freak.

There is still more to his Joker than there is to see. If his face is permawhite (which is what I believe is the case - and I could make the case if you would like) then thats fine. I am not a "purist", I just want to see the Joker on screen.

tyeeeah right as if you need to be physically messed up to not fit in with today's 'society' give me a break, if you have such a strong opinion aginst the make up then why even bother being here talking about the movie?

 

[Reek]

Why is not a necessity? Why can't it work? It worked in the comics and the movies.

because hes the joker either way.

 

[batman497]

ya know...for some hardcore fans if not most this film WILL suck for them...its not a matter of if but its a of fact and you know why? YOU ARE WAAAAAY TOO PICKY. I mean seriously some of you are griping about how the thugs who dont live past the 10 minute mark are reacting to one another and what they say and HOW they say it...jesus

It's bad writing that's all I'm saying.

 

[StorminNorman]

But it's true. It is make-up. That's what you're basing your anger on. Make-up.
Plus, The Joker is still a freak. Notice those cops looking at him in his little cage? Like feeding time at the bloody Zoo. Like I said, each myth changes. No one version is validated and no one version is wrong. Why not make a fan film?Seriously, you Perma-whitists should band together and show us all why you love the traditional Joker. Honestly, and I'm tired of saying this, I expect him to blech himself. In film 3. Both to cement his image and to convince the legal system that he is totally out of his ****ing mind. Ever see Chopper? Just like that. Bleach, sizzle, one way ticket to a cosy padded cell.

Its the entire look of a character. The Joker character is based off of his looks. If it was simply superficial - I wouldn't care. I could of cared less with Singer released his suit. Spider-Man had organic web? Who cares. This is different, this impacts the Joker as a character.

You are incorrect about there being versions of myths that are not wrong. Disney's Hercules is incorrect. Beowulf the film is not a Beowulf story. When you go against 70 years of history, against decades of various recreations there is one common denomination - the look.

 

[BattyBlue]

How dare you...

People fall into acid and get an even white stain all over their skin without dying or having serious health problems every day

Didn't Michael Jackson say that?

 

[Doomofman]

Why is not a necessity? Why can't it work? It worked in the comics and the movies.

How exactly did it work in the movies?

 

[The Joker]

My bad, I should have said dating. There is no proof.

Ok, but still there's not really any solid proof of that, either. She told her first boss "We've been thru all that" when he said he cared about her. Which suggests that he wanted to date her but she wasn't interested, and she explained all that to him before.

As for dating Harvey Dent, we see them having a meal together. Could just be a business dinner. Again, nothing concrete to say she's dating him.

 

[cody66720]

It's bad writing that's all I'm saying.

how is it that bad...i guess we could be transported back to the days of B&R then maybe people wouldnt be so picky right?