You are great,Joker
Ah thank you
Gah I'm still finishing with ASM run,can't wait to read this one.
Man..you had no idea but I laughed so hard by that picture
Anyway, I have to go now but It was great talking with ya
You too, mate. Enjoy your ASM marathon.
I thought spider-man's fault in the comics was centralised around the fact that he may have snapped her neck with his web?
As in, he wasn't at fault until the moment when Gwen was falling off the bridge?
Can someone help me out here, perhaps Joker has scans of that copy? I'm a little lost at the moment. When does Gwen's death start to be Peter's fault? Before the encounter on the bridge or when he tries to "save" her?
It wasn't believed that Peter's web killed her. Goblin pretty much cleared that one up in the very moment it happened, clarifying that it was the fall that killed her;
But Peter himself wasn't sure, but he still blamed himself anyway. Writer Gerry Conway admitted that he added the "snap" into the story to torture readers with the distinct possibility that Spider-Man himself may have inadvertently killed Gwen, a "snap" that neither Spider-Man nor the Green Goblin heard (hence the Goblin's assumption in The Amazing Spider-Man (vol. 1) #121 that the shock of the fall killed Gwen - "Romantic idiot! She was dead before your webbing reached her! A fall from that height would kill anyone—before they struck the ground!").
In The Amazing Spider-Man (vol. 1) #125 (October 1973), Roy Thomas wrote in the letters column that "it saddens us to have to say that the whiplash effect she underwent when Spidey's webbing stopped her so suddenly was, in fact, what killed her. In short, it was impossible for Peter to save her. He couldn't have swung down in time; the action he did take resulted in her death; if he had done nothing, she still would certainly have perished. There was no way out." They also explained that Gerry Conway, Roy Thomas, and Stan Lee had decided that she had to die because Peter Parker wasn't ready for marriage, and the relationship was too often off and on again.
Real word experts claim that in reality it would have. Physicist James Kakalios shows in his book The Physics of Superheroes that, consistent with Newton's laws of motion, the sudden stop would have killed Gwen. The comic book Civil War: Casualties of War: Captain America/Iron Man (2007) concurred that the proximate cause of death was the sudden stop during a high-speed fall.
But in the comic books the blame came from her being targeted because she was his girlfriend. She was killed because of her association with him. She didn't know she was dating Spider-Man. She didn't know the danger she was possibly in, the risks that came with being with Peter. She died for it. Though the comics later confirmed the fall killed her, not his webbing. In the fourth issue of
Marvels, the police forensic scientist reports that she died from the shock of the fall prior to her neck breaking, placing the blame on the Green Goblin and not Spider-Man.
Which makes sense because whiplash couldn't have killed Gwen- because there is no whiplash with Spidey's webbing. As the movies so effectively display, Spidey's webbing is not like rope, which is unyielding. Spidey's webbing stretches with a bungee effect. In fact, if it didn't stretch, it would never have reached Gwen at all. So once the webline had a firm hold on Gwen's leg, it would have stretched with her weight, coming to a gradual, not a sudden stop. If the webbing didn't work this way, Spidey would regularly wrench his arms out of their sockets.
What's always puzzled me is that people have never looked at the most obvious culprit- the hit that sent Gwen flying from the bridge in the first place. Look at the scene- Spidey is reaching for Gwen- but the Goblin swoops in and hits her before Spidey can reach her. We're talking about a solid metal device, with sharp edges, flying at top speed, which can easily carry a load of more than 1000 lbs. (If you go by the movie that increases to several tons). The impact would have certainly been fatal. Fact is, if the comics weren't censored, the impact would have likely cut Gwen in two.
Sorry for the information overload, but I didn't want to give you a half baked answer.
Exactly.
The entire scene was so hilarious that it almost distracts from how sexist the whole thing is. Gwen does this big speech about it's HER choice and that she's doing it against her boyfriend and father's wishes....and when she gets killed for it, the message becomes "If only Gwen had listened to the two most important MEN in her life!".
Granted, that probs wasn't the intention but JESUS!
(Am i?)
