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I don't think that number is quite right, or even how we would know the number offhand. If there were 322 million dedicated Islamic Extremist Terrorist this would be a different situation all together. There are far too many but I can't put stock in 322 million. That's near the population of the U.S.
 
Well, it means there are 300 million who agree that the punishment for apostasy should be death, that gays should be put to death, that Israel should be wiped out, etc.

That really doesn't seem unlikely to me.

There's a difference in believing Al-Qaeda was right to take down the Twin Towers, and joining ISIS.

There's a reason there's no Islamic state you would want to live in.
 
I still don't understand how ISIS is as powerful as it is.

It's because we're sitting here with our thumbs up our butts, patiently waiting for the next attack to occur so we can all have a debate about it on TV.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

^ In our case, letting it continue. The US is insane.
 
Again... How do we even have estimates on that 22% number and then even if you correlated those viewpoints and said that having them equals "terrorist" well, how many are actually capable and willing to commit terrorist acts. It seems a really high number that 322 million even given that these jihadists come from all around the world.
 
I don't think that number is quite right, or even how we would know the number offhand. If there were 322 million dedicated Islamic Extremist Terrorist this would be a different situation all together. There are far too many but I can't put stock in 322 million. That's near the population of the U.S.

1. It's not 22% of Muslims being "dedicated Islamic extremist terrorists"; it's 22% of Muslims who agree with Jihadist and Islamist beliefs.

Also keep in mind the difference between a Jihadist and Islamist. Jihadists are the terrorists, while Islamists want to implement Islam through the political system.

We know of these numbers through a bunch of polls conducted.
 
Extreme right gives you neo nazis.

Extreme left gives you Marxist communist.

Extreme Muslims give you jihadist terrorists.

Extremist blacks give you the Dallas shooter.

Extremism absolutely sucks and is the enemy to freedom everywhere.
 
We need more strength from Muslim leaders. Muslim extremists are more likely to reason with fellow Muslims, powerful Muslims like those in Saudi Arabia or Iran, than any one in the West.

That said, IS are probably backed by powerful Muslim figures like the Saudis...
 
1. It's not 22% of Muslims being "dedicated Islamic extremist terrorists"; it's 22% of Muslims who agree with Jihadist and Islamist beliefs.

Also keep in mind the difference between a Jihadist and Islamist. Jihadists are the terrorists, while Islamists want to implement Islam through the political system.

We know of these numbers through a bunch of polls conducted.

Well that's what I'm saying then. There aren't 322 million dedicated Muslim terrorist out there waiting to strike. That's not to downplay the threat we are facing in the pluralistic West, but we should be clear headed in our perspective is all I am saying. Thundercrack was saying "322 million fanatics" and I don't know if I can call every Muslim that idly says in a phone poll or the like that he agrees with some questions a fanatical terrorist or view them all as probably threats.
 
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Well that's what I'm saying then. There aren't 322 million dedicated Muslim terrorist out there waiting to strike. That's not to downplay the threat we are facing in the pluralistic West, but we should be clear headed in our perspective is all I am saying. Thundercrack was saying "322 million fanatics" and I don't know if I can call every Muslim that idly says in a phone poll or the like that he agrees with some questions a fanatical terrorist or view them all as probably threats.

If you're in that 22%, you're a fanatic. The only difference is that not all of them go out and bomb, but it doesn't mean they don't support what the actual bombers are doing (at least the jihadist segment of the 22%). That's like saying someone isn't a fanatic if they agree with every word of Mein Campf, because they don't physically go out to kill Jews. And a lot of those vote to elect jihadist groups (Hamas for example).
 
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If you're in that 22%, you're a fanatic. The only difference is that not all of them go out and bomb, but it doesn't mean they don't support what the actual bombers are doing (at least the jihadist segment of the 22%). That's like saying someone isn't a fanatic if they agree with every word of Mein Campf, because they don't physically go out to kill Jews. And a lot of those vote to elect jihadist groups (Hamas for example).

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/



How do Muslims feel about groups like ISIS?

Recent surveys show that most people in several countries with significant Muslim populations have an unfavorable view of ISIS, including virtually all respondents in Lebanon and 94% in Jordan. Relatively small shares say they see ISIS favorably. In some countries, considerable portions of the population do not offer an opinion about ISIS, including a majority (62%) of Pakistanis.

Favorable views of ISIS are somewhat higher in Nigeria (14%) than most other nations. Among Nigerian Muslims, 20% say they see ISIS favorably (compared with 7% of Nigerian Christians). The Nigerian militant group Boko Haram, which has been conducting a terrorist campaign in the country for years, has sworn allegiance to ISIS.

More generally, Muslims mostly say that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam are rarely or never justified, including 92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq. In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say that such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified in these circumstances.

In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say that these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.

In many cases, people in countries with large Muslim populations are as concerned as Western nations about the threat of Islamic extremism, and have become increasingly concerned in recent years. About two-thirds of people in Nigeria (68%) and Lebanon (67%) said earlier this year they are very concerned about Islamic extremism in their country, both up significantly since 2013
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I think so many Muslims are afraid of ISIS because ISIS doesn't hesitate to target their own people. They're not anti-West, they're anti anyone who doesn't agree with their goals. They subjugate their own people, attack mosques, attack Islamic landmarks.
 
The Daily Mail said:
Growing tensions between the ‘extreme Right and the Muslim world’ have pushed France to the ‘verge of a civil war’, the country’s most senior security chief has warned.

Patrick Calvar, head of the General Directorate for Internal Security (DGSI) – France’s equivalent of MI5 – made his claim in the wake of last year’s terrorist attacks on Paris.

A total of 147 people were murdered by terrorists in the capital during atrocities in January and November.

Many of those responsible were French passport holders with North African backgrounds, leading to far-Right politicians calling for a massive clampdown on immigration.

But Mr Calvar, 60, warned there is evidence that radical Right-wing French groups have been massing arms in preparation for their own attacks on mosques and synagogues.

‘I think we will win against terrorism,’ Mr Calvar said, but predicted the ‘confrontation between the extreme Right and the Muslim world’, adding: ‘We’re on the verge of a civil war. I think this confrontation is going to happen. One or two more attacks and it will take place. It is up to us to anticipate and stop all those groups who would trigger clashes.’

The closed inquiry was held on May 24, but Mr Calvar’s dramatic comments were leaked to French media yesterday. He said: ‘Where is the spark going to come from that will light the powder, transforming France into an uncontrollable country where groups take up arms and hand out their own justice? Who sees a crumbling country where violence and vengeance alternates between two camps, where the spiral of attacks does not stop?



‘Nothing is excluded in a country which is already as eruptive as France today.’

Mr Calvar said he particularly feared ‘punitive expeditions in the suburbs’ to make immigrants pay collectively for alleged crimes by a minority. Referring to the mass sex attacks in Germany on New Year’s Eve, Mr Calvar said French Right-wingers could hand out summary justice for the kind of ‘gang rapes committed by North African immigrants in Cologne’.

There have been no convictions for rape following the Cologne incidents, with German police saying CCTV evidence was not good enough to charge suspects.

Mr Calvar also said his nightmare scenario could just as easily be applied to European neighbours, including Britain. ‘It’s this that worries me when I talk to all the European colleagues,’ he said. ‘We will, at one time or another, have to generate resources to deal with other extremist groups, because the confrontation is inevitable.’

Mr Calvar said all extremist groups – Left, Right and Islamist – know that there is enough weakness in the European security apparatus for a small group to ‘cause maximum chaos’.

He specifically called for more money to be put into armaments and other resources for the security forces, and for greater legal powers to carry out surveillance and arrest suspects.

He also said he is ‘convinced’ that Islamic State will change its tactics in France, and increase its firepower, which until now has mainly relied on outdated AK-47 rifles and suicide belts.

He said he feared a move towards car bombs and more conventional explosive devices, allowing terrorists to attack without risking their own lives, and that he believed Islamist extremists will look to use booby-trapped cars in the future.

He said: ‘I’m convinced they’ll go to booby-trapped vehicles and bombs, thus upping their power.

‘We know very well they’re going to use this mode of operating.

‘They’re going to end up sending commandos whose mission is to organise terrorist campaigns without necessarily going to the assault with death awaiting them.’

He also raised the possibility of extremists using ‘dirty bombs’ and the natural poison ricin, saying several radical groups had studied the toxin in the past.

The Armed Islamic Group, which caused terror in Algeria in the early 1990s, was looking to put the substance on car door handles to create a panic effect, Mr Calvar said, and this tactic was also studied in northern Iraq and in the remote Pankisi Valley in Georgia, once a stronghold of Chechen militants.


Earlier this week a leaked report revealed a staggering 1,200 women were sexually abused in German cities during the New Year's Eve celebrations.

The police document said detectives believe 2,000 men were involved across various cities but that the bulk of the crimes were committed in Cologne and Hamburg, where 600 and 400 sexual assaults on women were reported respectively.

Of the 2,000 perpetrators, only 120 have been identified, and about half of them were foreign nationals who had only recently arrived in Germany.
Eyewitnesses described the night of December 31, which saw many Arab and North African asylum seekers and immigrants gang rape and attack hundreds of women, as being akin to a war zone.

The warning from Mr Calvar follows similar concerns expressed by prominent police, army and security experts from across Europe.

In May the former head of MI6, Richard Dearlove, said Europe would face a 'populist uprising' if its governments did not take control of the migrant crisis.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel was also told by security experts last October that middle class citizens in Germany were becoming 'radicalised' because of her open borders migrant policy.

She was warned that it could lead to widespread disorder.

He wasn't kidding.
 
80 dead, 75 injured.


I am getting really sick of this ****, dude. If not guns, then vehicles.

The crazy thing is, last week I was watching something, I can't remember what exactly but it involved using a car to kill people and the person doing it was commended for "thinking outside the box" as he wasn't immediately able to use any sort of firearm.
 
Lone wolfs will never be stopped.
 
Terrible news... Condolences to the victims' relatives and friends.

Unfortunately, such acts of single individuals can never be predicted no matter the levels of security and attention.
 
1200 women sexually assaulted in one night?! Wtf?! And people think Britain was mad for telling the EU and it's open door immigration policy to poke it.

There will come a time when native citizens finally have had enough. These soft touch governments need to wake up and stop what is happening. Stop letting any Tom, Dick and Harry waltz through borders. It's like with the Syrian immigrant crisis. Yes stronger countries should help out... but don't just open the ****ing doors. Germany got ****ed... quite literally. You could see that half of these "refugees" were military aged men. It wasn't women and children.

And although I totally understand that not all Muslims are terrorists. In fact the large majority are not. But... it's part of their religion to treat women like dogs.

People are not cruel. People want to help those who are less fortunate. But at the end of the day... charity starts at home. You put the interests of the natives first. You help your own first. Merkel tried to win brownie points by allowing any **** who claimed asylum into Germany. How do the women of Cologne feel about that?
 
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They have to care about something. That's the only thing that comes to mind.
Two twin brothers in Saudi Arabia tried to murder their own family because the family tried to prevent them from joining ISIS. Respect for your parents is a big thing in that part of the world.

Your either with them or against them in their view. This shocked the country and even people in Saudi Arabia are saying this stuff is out of control. You are seeing more moderate Muslims challenging the extreme ideology in Saudi Arabia than ever.
Saudi Arabia: Isis twin brothers 'stabbed mother to death' as revenge for not joining Daesh

Twin brothers stabbed their mother to death and seriously injured their father and brother over their allegiance to the Islamic State (Isis)

According to multiple media reports coming from the Saudi capital of Riyadh twin brothers, Khalid and Saleh Al Areeni, both 20, attacked their family on Friday, 24 June.

The radicalised twins, living in the Hamra neighbourhood, were said to have chased their younger brother up to the rooftop of the family home and stabbed him multiple times. They then stabbed their father and murdered their mother, who was in another room.

The 67-year-old mother - named as Haila Al Areeni - died at the scene whilst their brother and father were left critically wounded and taken to a nearby hospital. At the weekend hundreds of people attended the mother's funeral.

The twins were later arrested around 60 miles away from the scene of the killing with the Saudi interior ministry confirming the attack was premeditated and the link with Daesh (Isis). According to Gulf News the twins were planning to leave the country to join IS in one of the areas where they are in conflict.

"Investigations revealed that they lured their mother to the storeroom and stabbed her several times," Gulf News quoted a police spokesman as saying. "Then, they went to the father and treacherously stabbed him before chasing their brother and stabbing him as well."

A number of terrorist attacks have taken place in the Kingdom, predominantly in the country's east where many of the minority Shia live. In 2014 authorities also carried out two mass arrests of 77 and 62 suspected IS members after a terrorist attack claimed the lives of seven *****e civilians.

Although also Sunni IS accuse the Saudi monarchy of corrupting Islam in order to preserve its power.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/saudi-arab...other-death-revenge-not-joining-daesh-1567733
ISIS is not the Vietcong. They rule through force and violence.

You could actually eradicate them on the ground with local help.
Ground attacks is what is going on now and has been working over the last six months.

ISIS lost a territory the size of Ireland over recent months. They are getting hammered in a lot of areas.

I think so many Muslims are afraid of ISIS because ISIS doesn't hesitate to target their own people. They're not anti-West, they're anti anyone who doesn't agree with their goals. They subjugate their own people, attack mosques, attack Islamic landmarks.

This :up:

People tend to forget that groups like ISIS have killed more Muslims than anyone else.

Anyone that doesn't subscribe to their ideology is a enemy.
 
We need more strength from Muslim leaders. Muslim extremists are more likely to reason with fellow Muslims, powerful Muslims like those in Saudi Arabia or Iran, than any one in the West.

That said, IS are probably backed by powerful Muslim figures like the Saudis...

ISIS has had no qualms about killing other Muslims so I don't see why they would listen to any Muslim leaders.
 
I'm not talking about diplomacy. Powerful Muslim countries and governments need to start kicking arse.
 
The attacker has been identified as French-Tunisian Mohamed Lahouaiej, 31 years old, French resident, born in Tunisia.

According to almost all reports that I have looked at, he was known to the police in Nice for violence, weapons offences and some other suspect activity; French intelligence services did not know of him, according to several French news outlets, however, as he was never connected to Islamist activity.

Sounds like he rented the truck in Saint-Laurent-du-Var a few days ago. He had a 7.65-calibre firearm.

Not much else released as of now.
 
Dam man you out celebrating and this happens so tragic
 
Some of the comments in this thread make the posters sound really terrible. Detain innocent people because they had the misfortune to be related to a terrorist?

Kill enough people and we win?

Let's start a religious war with Islam and see how much we can recreate the Crusades?

What's next? Nuking Iraq and Syria? A few comments already hinted at doing that.

More than 80 people are dead and the response in here is let's go kill a whole lot more to get revenge.
 
They're evacuating the airport in Nice right now,i swear before you can say what's next another tragedy happens
 

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