Dozens feared dead after truck strikes crowd in Nice, France

[DarthSkywalker]

Just don't call it war. I don't understand people. Obama could send thousands of troops to Syria and Iraq and all but squash ISIS, but unless he makes public declarations about going to war with Radical Islam, no one will care about his actual actions.

People are dumb. Hunt the bastards. Make them pay. But for God's sake, choose your words carefully in public.

War is war. If it is right, if it is justified, you don't sugar coat it. Also would be nice for us not to fight this war by ourselves mostly. Everyone there is afraid, this is their continent, maybe Europe could lead the offensive a bit.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Paris and Brussels attacks were carried out by Muslims born in Europe. The San Bernardino and Orlando shooters was born in America (well, the wife was from Saudi Arabia). This guy was a Tunisian. How is a war going to stop these radicals already in our midst?

It won't. But if you want ISIS gone, you have to make them disappear. The problem of course is that we will have another radical force in their place inside a year.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well, if you want to go to Syria and wipe out ISIS, I would be all for that. Provided Assad is not returned to power.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, if you want to go to Syria and wipe out ISIS, I would be all for that. Provided Assad is not returned to power.

And that right there is the problem.

 

[Donner]

War is war. If it is right, if it is justified, you don't sugar coat it. Also would be nice for us not to fight this war by ourselves modtly. Everyone else is afraid, this is their continent, maybe Europe could lead the offensive a bit.

No. These men are not soldiers. They're cowards. Killing innocent people does not a soldier make. Public declarations of war helped bin Laden after 9/11. Learn from Bush's mistakes.

 

[samsnee]

Sure we need to attack these people back. But this isn't a traditional war. There isn't a singular country or head of state. This literally is Hydra where you kill one guy and 5 more will pop up in his place.

I guarantee the people who did this didn't receive a specific command from leadership somewhere. They are lone wolf terror cells who serve a vague cause.

You want to go after them? Follow the money. Someone somewhere, either a government or individuals is helping fund them. Cut off the money supply and that will be a better start than just getting caught in another endless ground war.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I do think ISIS needs to be dislodged from Syria / Iraq. That will take military force. No way around it. Bombing can only do so much.

 

[terry78]

Basically you need to fight these guys on a more strategic level. Money, technology, etc. That's where this **** starts. ****ers are all over Facebook probably.

 

[Thundercrack85]

ISIS is not the Vietcong. They rule through force and violence.

You could actually eradicate them on the ground with local help.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No. These men are not soldiers. They're cowards. Killing innocent people does not a soldier make. Public declarations of war helped bin Laden after 9/11. Learn from Bush's mistakes.

If you are going to engage in a war, you are fighting a war. You can't really get around this.

 

[Spiderine]

Its an ideology that has spread to all parts of the globe. You have got young men who simply align or commit themselves to ISIS or other groups. ISIS isn't the only one out there. But they are willing to give their life for the cause. I don't believe I have ever seen any sort of threat like this in all my life. Don't know how you even combat this. Blowing up these guys in different countries where they hide only breeds more loyalists. They easily go after and win the hearts and minds of young lost souls with nothing to lose or live for. This is a global problem with no answers.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Basically you need to fight these guys on a more strategic level. Money, technology, etc. That's where this **** starts. ****ers are all over Facebook probably.

Yes. But one of the reasons these things run and run is because we want to avoid an all out war.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Basically you need to fight these guys on a more strategic level. Money, technology, etc. That's where this **** starts. ****ers are all over Facebook probably.

I actually think an old fashioned approach might be better. Go to Syria / Iraq. Kill every single ISIS loyalist. Take no prisoners (they will only join the next radical group). Destroy the towns, and bases, salt the Earth. Erase them from the world.

If you want to end this problem you have to be like Charlemagne.

 

[Donner]

If you are going to engage in a war, you are fighting a war. You can't really get around this.

Just don't say it publicly. It's really that simple. Grandiose statements about threats to America and world war 3 and all that BS make matters worse. Quick and quiet eradication. That's the goal.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Just don't say it publicly. It's really that simple. Grandiose statements about threats to America and world war 3 and all that BS make matters worse. Quick and quiet eradication. That's the goal.

If you are right, you don't hide it. In fact hiding it makes it worse.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I actually think an old fashioned approach might be better. Go to Syria / Iraq. Kill every single ISIS loyalist. Take no prisoners (they will only join the next radical group). Destroy the towns, and bases, salt the Earth. Erase them from the world.

If you want to end this problem you have to be like Charlemagne.

Problem with that is there are sympathizers in every corner of the globe and the ISIS ideology isn't easily killed because the internet makes it so easy to spread.

 

[Spiderine]

I actually think an old fashioned approach might be better. Go to Syria / Iraq. Kill every single ISIS loyalist. Take no prisoners (they will only join the next radical group). Destroy the towns, and bases, salt the Earth. Erase them from the world.

If you want to end this problem you have to be like Charlemagne.

They are simply not going to do that.

 

[Thundercrack85]

They are simply not going to do that.

The Americans? No. The French? They've gone to war over less.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Just don't say it publicly. It's really that simple. Grandiose statements about threats to America and world war 3 and all that BS make matters worse. Quick and quiet eradication. That's the goal.

This covert war isn't going to cut it. How many times have we killed the top ISIS leader? 7 times? You need to go in there with troops, and kill thousands.

 

[Donner]

If you are right, you don't hide it. In fact hiding it makes it worse.

No it doesn't! Bin Laden loved it when Bush made statements about war and threats to America. It brought people to his cause. He went from being a pathetic outcast trying to raise an army in the deserts of the Middle East to public enemy #1. Bush gave him validity. He gave him purpose and a pedastal. If Bin Laden himself praised declarations of war, why, in God's name, why, would you make the same mistake twice and give ISIS that same satisfaction?

 

[Spiderine]

The Americans? No. The French? They've gone to war over less.

Are you talking about the current president of France? How did he respond to the last few terror attacks?

The only country that has been unleashing its wrath and truly don't give a f*** has been Russia.

 

[Donner]

War is war. If it is right, if it is justified, you don't sugar coat it. Also would be nice for us not to fight this war by ourselves mostly. Everyone there is afraid, this is their continent, maybe Europe could lead the offensive a bit.

Er. The US isn't fighting by themselves. You know that France attacked ISIS after the Paris attacks and Russia has been steadily bombing the **** out of them for months right?

 

[Donner]

This covert war isn't going to cut it. How many times have we killed the top ISIS leader? 7 times? You need to go in there with troops, and kill thousands.

Sure. Just don't publicly declare war. It will bring soldiers to ISIS.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Are you talking about the current president of France? How did he respond to the last few terror attacks?

Bombing runs. He's the most unpopular leader France has ever had. And that's saying something, given their history.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No it doesn't! Bin Laden loved it when Bush made statements about war and threats to America. It brought people to his cause. He went from being a pathetic outcast trying to raise an army in the deserts of the Middle East to public enemy #1. Bush gave him validity. He gave him purpose and a pedastal. If Bin Laden himself praised declarations of war, why, in God's name, why, would you make the same mistake twice and give ISIS that same satisfaction?

Bin Laden was a non-issue after 9/11. The problem was Iraq, where we had a war that destabilized the region and allowed for even crazier people to take over.