Roose Bolton
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Apparently DeLaurentiis Co is going to be uploading their own preview sometime soon, due to NBC not doing one.
On one hand, sure. On the other, that Devil's advocate kind of reasoning is a slippery slope. At first, it's "Well, why should they air the show on a decent night if it's already cancelled?" Then it's "Well, why should they bother with promos if it's already cancelled?"
Finally it will be "Well, why even bother airing the last 3-4 episodes at all?"
The Red Dragon movie almost completely waters down Will having any mental problems at all. He comes off as a pretty normal guy.
Cox's Lecter was true to the way Lecter had been written in Red Dragon, who at that point wasn't really quite established as a man capable of having empathy for another person. He was vaguely a polite, intelligent psychopath who was still very sadistic in a lot of ways.
One of the show writers pointed it out in an interview, but Mads is based more on the way the character is portrayed in the novel Hannibal than he is in the other two novels. In that same novel he is compared to the devil by various characters, and has that same "renaissance man" air to him.
The funny thing is that I became a fan of the Hannibal world thanks to Red Dragon. I saw them in order. I really like Red Dragon, but after watching Dancy's Will Graham, I see Norton's Graham as a PG version of the character. He doesn't sell the whole "I have serious mental issues thanks to Hannibal".
Well in the book and film, he didn't have the relationship he did with Hannibal in this show. In the book, they didn't have any kind of friendship, and in the movie I think it was mentioned they had worked together before Hannibal was caught but weren't close friends.
But anyway, I don't think Red Dragon or Manhunter are particularly good films. They're alright, I guess, but I never had much fondness for either.
Both get things right and wrong. Petersen has played Graham better than anyone else. I actually think Manhunter is quite good (though it is TERRIBLY dated), until the last 15 minutes when it shifts into a cliche, 80s action movie.
Red Dragon explores Dolarhyde well. Philip Seymour Hoffman steals the show as Freddie Lounds (it is really like he was born to play that role, the character just jumps off the page). But in the end, it is too focused on being another Hannibal Lecter movie (and doesn't even do that particularly well).
Its sad that Red Dragon has yet to get a true to form adaptation. Hannibal is no where close, for a slew of reasons. It really is the best book Harris has written, yet it has been fairly short changed.
All of course according to you. Your word isn't the gospel as you do so make it seem to be a lot of the time. I'm surprised you even watch this show. Seems you're very picky about all of this when it comes to the show and films and the books. As if there is only one right way to do things, which would be your way.
No need to get hostile. I am simply pointing out that there hasn't been a straight adaptation of Red Dragon in the way that Silence of the Lambs and Hannibal were adapted (well, arguably Hannibal, though it is a very long book and some of the stuff would be difficult to fit into a 2 to 3 hour film). Hell, Fueller himself has said it is not a straight adaptation.
To be honest, I'm not even sure why you would get hostile over that point. I don't even think it is debatable.![]()
Manhunter doesn't include Dolarhyde as a character at all (he is simply a force, acting on others, with little to no development or characterization) and just cuts the book's climax at Will's home.
Red Dragon under-characterizes Will, ignores most of Dolarhyde's backstory, changes the ending significantly, and over-uses Hannibal.
And Hannibal has fundamentally changed the character of Will, the nature of his relationship with Will and Jack, is including subplots regarding Alana, Lecter, etc. As I said, Fueller openly admits he is telling a different story and not traditionally adapting Red Dragon.
Again, I really don't see how that point is a matter of hostility or really anything but fact. There has not been a straight, faithful adaptation of Red Dragon.
It's all a matter of opinion thought especially if you read the books. I don't read the books so to me none of that matters. What we have gotten on the films and on the show to me is all great and enjoyable so to me it doesn't HAVE to be a faithful adaption. There are a lot who don't read the books who probably just enjoy the show or films just as much as I do without worrying about the books being adapted.
I really love Dolarhyde in Manhunter. Tom Noonan does so much with the littlest things, the way he looks like an overgrown baby, the awkwardness he has with Reba, I don't really need to known much about him. I think cutting him coming back at Will's home is a smart move, too. It always felt a little tacked in the book to me. One climax only please!
Pretty sure there's four left.How many more episodes are left for this season by the way?