Dr. Lecter Invites you to Dinner. The ''Hannibal'' Thread - Part 4

[Man in the Suit]

I don't think Chilton will take over anything. I think he's gonna get [BLACKOUT]Freddy Lounds'd.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[slimshady247]

That'd be really sad.

 

[antsman41]

Regarding the cell, Chilton holds Hannibal in high respect and wants to use him (ala his book). They probably struck a deal, and so forth... especially if Chilton is treating Hannibal as his circus performer per-say towards others in his field.

Regarding Hannibal turning himself in, I wanted to chime in that the "Eat The Rude" Podcast brought up the notion that Hannibal might see "running" or "being on the lamb" as a lesser thing, or degrading to his style. Considering his whole travel situation at the beginning of the season brought him down and out of his game. Yes, he's in a cell... but, he has control over his situation again essentially.

 

[Matt]

Maybe the cell isn't actually that beautiful. Have any of the other characters acknowledged it? Maybe it is a visualization of Hannibal's mind palace and at the end of the season there will be a twist, kinda like Abigail in the second episode of season 3, that shows he was in a ******, dark, windowless cell the whole time?

 

[The Shape]

I don't think the cell is that big of a deal however, it is a little jarring.

Yeah, I don't think it's a big deal either, nor did anyone seem to think it was a big deal. But I guess the fact that we acknowledged it means it is a big deal? I don't know.

Just remember the rule of thumb from now on regarding Hannibal's cell:

"It's a cell. Who cares? TALK ABOUT SOMETHING MORE SIGNIFICANT, DAMNIT!"

 

[slimshady247]

Thanks, we really needed you to draw this out by being passive aggressive about it.

Get over it.

 

[The_Raganork]

All the wealth of beauty and incredible writing/visuals on this show and I come to SHH! to see people arguing over Hannibal's Cell?

This is not my design.

 

[Maximus One]

People just want anything to whine about. Instead of actually creating worthwhile discussion about positive things about the show, they have to seek out things to complain about. Such is the American way.

 

[The Shape]

Maybe the cell isn't actually that beautiful. Have any of the other characters acknowledged it? Maybe it is a visualization of Hannibal's mind palace and at the end of the season there will be a twist, kinda like Abigail in the second episode of season 3, that shows he was in a ******, dark, windowless cell the whole time?

Seems like a possibility, but I don't know how I'd feel about it.

Either way, the image of Hannibal standing alone in a less-than-desirable prison cell -- a la Silence of the Lambs -- is an effective one. I think an image like that would be even more effective here because, for the first time in live action, we have been heavily exposed to Hannibal life as a free man over three seasons. We've seen his taste for the finer things in life, whether it be food/drink, clothing, or settings like his office and home.

I was hoping to see all of that fully stripped away from him once imprisoned, as it would truly be a stark contrast to what we had seen of him before. Some might consider this "nitpicking", but I do feel it's a valid point. I understand the aesthetic Fuller was going for with this design and I'm certainly not suggesting they should have copied the SOTL aesthetic completely, but it almost appears that Hannibal is simply spending time in his own office while wearing his PJs. The fact that he is able to cook also seems a bit strange.

 

[The_Raganork]

Seems like a possibility, but I don't know how I'd feel about it.

Either way, the image of Hannibal standing alone in a less-than-desirable prison cell -- a la Silence of the Lambs -- is an effective one. I think an image like that would be even more effective here because, for the first time in live action, we have been heavily exposed to Hannibal life as a free man over three seasons. We've seen his taste for the finer things in life, whether it be food/drink, clothing, or settings like his office and home.

I was hoping to see all of that fully stripped away from him once imprisoned, as it would truly be a stark contrast to what we had seen of him before. Some might consider this "nitpicking", but I do feel it's a valid point. I understand the aesthetic Fuller was going for with this design and I'm certainly not suggesting they should have copied the SOTL aesthetic completely, but it almost appears that Hannibal is simply spending time in his own office while wearing his PJs. The fact that he is able to cook also seems a bit strange.

Yes, I guess.

But by the same token it's taunting him isn't it? He has the most vain image of his former life but then aside from that 6 feet of extra space while Alana and Chilton gloat about how far he's fallen.

You strip everything away and perhaps he forgets. You give him a taste and he starves slowly, so to speak.

EDIT: Also this isn't SOTL... things can still get to that point.

 

[The Shape]

People just want anything to whine about. Instead of actually creating worthwhile discussion about positive things about the show, they have to seek out things to complain about. Such is the American way.

I didn't see anyone whining and I don't think that's what's happening here, but alright.

The image of Hannibal in his cell is arguably the most iconic visual cue relating to the Hannibal Lecter character across the pop culture spectrum, along with him wearing the face mask. Hannibal's eventual imprisonment is something many of us have been waiting for and excited to see since this version of the mythos came to fruition. I don't really see what's wrong with at least acknowledging and discussing the different ways his imprisonment has been presented on this show (turning himself in willingly, his cell, etc).

 

[The Shape]

Yes, I guess.

But by the same token it's taunting him isn't it? He has the most vain image of his former life but then aside from that 6 feet of extra space while Alana and Chilton gloat about how far he's fallen.

You strip everything away and perhaps he forgets. You give him a taste and he starves slowly, so to speak.

EDIT: Also this isn't SOTL... things can still get to that point.

Eh, it's impossible to tell whether something like that would taunt Hannibal, and I'm not sure that it would phase him one bit. He's usually the one that does the taunting, no matter the scenario.

 

[The_Raganork]

Eh, it's impossible to tell whether something like that would taunt Hannibal, and I'm not sure that it would phase him one bit. He's usually the one that does the taunting, no matter the scenario.

Yes but this was a hypothetical. There's 5 more episodes. I'm merely suggesting this COULD be a motivation by Alana (who has ill-will to Hannibal) that we see explained later, or unexplained. There is a lot on this show that stays in character's minds and is left up to interpretation.

Secondly...again...Bryan Fuller is not remaking the films. He's clearly shown little interest in retelling these stories in the same way.

What was iconic in movies 20 years old isn't really informing how this show is made or intended to be viewed. It's trying to construct it's own iconography.

So if we're stripped of Hannibal's mask or his dirty bare cell that's just how it exist in this universe. There's no rule that says that has to happen in this show or that the show is lesser for not hitting points already touched upon a couple of decades ago.

EDIT: Hannibal may do the taunting but we clearly saw in this past episode that Alana and Chilton feel comfortable doing some taunting of their own. It's not mutually exclusive. They are in a good position...now. There's no reason to believe Hannibal must be and appear in control at all times.

 

[Matt]

Thanks, we really needed you to draw this out by being passive aggressive about it.

Get over it.

I think you need to get over the fact that people can have negative opinions about this show.

People just want anything to whine about. Instead of actually creating worthwhile discussion about positive things about the show, they have to seek out things to complain about. Such is the American way.

If someone has issue with it, it is valid. There is a very...uptight...presence in this thread. It ends now. Everyone is allowed to have opinions on this show. Not everyone has to come in here and gush. The next person who tries to marginalize another's opinion (like the above) will be banned from this thread. No more warnings.

 

[The_Raganork]

I think you need to get over the fact that people can have negative opinions about this show.



If someone has issue with it, it is valid. There is a very...uptight...presence in this thread. It ends now. Everyone is allowed to have opinions on this show. Not everyone has to come in here and gush. The next person who tries to marginalize another's opinion (like the above) will be banned from this thread. No more warnings.

This is untrue. Simply because someone has a problem with something doesn't make it valid.

In THIS case I think it's a difference of personal aesthetic, so I grant that but your statement is an extremely false absolute.

 

[slimshady247]

I think you need to get over the fact that people can have negative opinions about this show.

That's not what that post was about. That post was about the fact that he very passive aggressively referred to me in an unfavorable way. I don't care about his opinion, I'm annoyed by the fact that he felt the need to bait me and mock my post.

And I think you need to learn some reading comprehension and actually start addressing what I'm posting about instead of needlessly antagonizing me.

EDIT:

Note that this is not me marginalizing your opinion, but rather pointing out the immense hypocrisy that is present in literally all of your posts. If anything, you should be banned from this thread for exhibiting the exact kind of behavior you're referring to.

Ironically, I'll probably receive it instead for pointing out the hypocrisy.

 

[Maximus One]

I've made all of 2 or 3 comments in this thread the last couple of days and that last one was aimed at The Shape for his needless response to my last comment. But, ok, Matt.

 

[The_Raganork]

I think you need to get over the fact that people can have negative opinions about this show.



If someone has issue with it, it is valid. There is a very...uptight...presence in this thread. It ends now. Everyone is allowed to have opinions on this show. Not everyone has to come in here and gush. The next person who tries to marginalize another's opinion (like the above) will be banned from this thread. No more warnings.

Does this include mods?

I ask this because, as I see it, you're the Mod for this thread and over the last couple of pages of post you've been sort of going at it with a couple of other rowdy posters.

In that you can get a little condescending but...who polices your post with such gusto as you are going to police the others?

Do you get to play God and bring the church down on the worshipers with no warning?

How does this work?

 

[The Shape]

Yes but this was a hypothetical. There's 5 more episodes. I'm merely suggesting this COULD be a motivation by Alana (who has ill-will to Hannibal) that we see explained later, or unexplained. There is a lot on this show that stays in character's minds and is left up to interpretation.

You're right, there could be some in-story explanation to it that makes sense in context. Others have speculated it was a deliberate decision made by Alana.

My speculation is that it was simply an aesthetic design choice by Fuller, which is fine. It basically fits with the aesthetic of the show, and Fuller has made a lot of surreal design choices for seemingly mundane items or locations. As I've said, I don't find this to be a big deal whatsoever. It doesn't bother me or make me upset. It is (or was), however, somewhat jarring and a bit strange.

Secondly...again...Bryan Fuller is not remaking the films.

What??? No way. You just blew my mind!

What was iconic in movies 20 years old isn't really informing how this show is made or intended to be viewed. It's trying to construct it's own iconography.

So if we're stripped of Hannibal's mask or his dirty bare cell that's just how it exist in this universe. There's no rule that says that has to happen in this show or that the show is lesser for not hitting points already touched upon a couple of decades ago.

I understand this and I'm not sure why you've felt the need to explain how loose adaptations work. I haven't asked for the show to strictly adapt anything from the books or films, nor has anyone else.

All I was expressing is that I was somewhat hoping to see Hannibal's "freedom" stripped away even further in regard to his imprisonment, and I feel they missed a small opportunity for effective imagery that would be unique to this Hannibal due to the context of the show as a whole and all we've seen previously.

And in terms of iconography, this show HAS explicitly lifted a fair amount of imagery and moments from the books and films themselves (as is expected), particularly this season. I don't see what's so unreasonable with me suggesting that Hannibal's cell could have appeared to be less "luxurious", as it is in the source material.

 

[Maximus One]

Watch, I'll get banned now and I'm not even being hostile or passive aggressive towards anybody.

 

[slimshady247]

Yup. It's not even an if anymore.

 

[Matt]

Watch, I'll get banned now and I'm not even being hostile or passive aggressive towards anybody.

There is only one person seriously at risk for it, and it isn't you.

 

[The_Raganork]

You're right, there could be some in-story explanation to it that makes sense in context. Others have speculated it was a deliberate decision made by Alana.

I think this too. It fits in with Alana's new personality.

My speculation is that it was simply an aesthetic design choice by Fuller, which is fine. It basically fits with the aesthetic of the show, and Fuller has made a lot of surreal design choices for seemingly mundane items or locations. As I've said, I don't find this to be a big deal whatsoever. It doesn't bother me or make me upset. It is (or was), however, somewhat jarring and a bit strange.

I see. I mean his cell looks like how it would look like if this show was true to itself. So I don't know how that's 'jarring'. You even admitted it's a trend for the show so...

What??? No way. You just blew my mind!

That was never a hard task.

I understand this and I'm not sure why you've felt the need to explain how loose adaptations work. I haven't asked for the show to strictly adapt anything from the books or films, nor has anyone else.

Because you keep comparing the show to the films(?)

All I was expressing is that I was somewhat hoping to see Hannibal's "freedom" stripped away even further in regard to his imprisonment, and I feel they missed a small opportunity for effective imagery that would be unique to this Hannibal due to the context of the show as a whole and all we've seen previously.

Except it's been literally ONE episode of imprisonment that could last for a few years? Maybe it comes in a later season? or later this season? Or not at all.

We don't know...we haven't seen enough. It's a complaint that is falling on a lack of evidence. We can continue this after the final episode airs and we see how the Cell fits in with the rest of the narrative.

And in terms of iconography, this show HAS explicitly lifted a fair amount of imagery and moments from the books and films themselves (as is expected), particularly this season. I don't see what's so unreasonable with me suggesting that Hannibal's cell could have appeared to be less "luxurious", as it is in the source material.

But mostly out context and switched around in new ways. It's certainly not done for fan service or because Fuller feels the need to hit certain recognizable points for people to feel happy recognizing.

 

[Maximus One]

There is only one person seriously at risk for it, and it isn't you.

Ok. Just the way you replied to my post made it seem like I was being singled out or something.

 

[Matt]

Ok. Just the way you replied to my post made it seem like I was being singled out or something.

Nope. Your post was simply an opportune one to quote as an example. There is no real pattern from you, so there is no need to be heavy handed with you (which should also provide guidance regarding Raganork's question...I am looking for patterns)