Dr. Lecter Invites you to Dinner. The ''Hannibal'' Thread - Part 4

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I mean, I get the complaints with the cell. That's why I said it was jarring. It wasn't really what, I think any of us, expected for Hannibal based solely on what we've seen before. I do love the idea of it only being part of his memory palace or Chilton changing Hannibal's living situation.
 
Nope. Your post was simply an opportune one to quote as an example. There is no real pattern from you, so there is no need to be heavy handed with you (which should also provide guidance regarding Raganork's question...I am looking for patterns)

But does that include patterns within yourself? (which was my question and was not at all answered by the above quoted post)
 
I mean, I get the complaints with the cell. That's why I said it was jarring. It wasn't really what, I think any of us, expected for Hannibal based solely on what we've seen before. I do love the idea of it only being part of his memory palace or Chilton changing Hannibal's living situation.

It can't be either of these, right? We've seen what his memory palace looks like. With Alana we saw how he views the conversation then saw it from her POV and the cell was the way it was.

Also Chilton doesn't appear to work there. Alana is the head, no?
 
I mean, I get the complaints with the cell. That's why I said it was jarring. It wasn't really what, I think any of us, expected for Hannibal based solely on what we've seen before. I do love the idea of it only being part of his memory palace or Chilton changing Hannibal's living situation.

Honestly, my issue with the cell is the same as my issue with Hannibal turning himself in...it is just too much. The character is a deity at this point. He never loses. Even when he is arrested, it is simply his way of taunting someone. Now he is in a prison cell nicer than most apartments. He can cook gourmet food in his cell. He routinely makes threats to his warden (that you know he will keep). Hannibal has become omnipotent, and that takes drama out of the character. His capture should've been his lowest point. It should've been a much earned and deserved reward for Will. It should've reflected that he no longer has power over Will (which would've made the Red Dragon story all the more compelling, when Will turns to him for help). Instead it was just another way for Hannibal to get one over on Will....just another win for the God-like Hannibal. And the cell underlines that.
 
Honestly, my issue with the cell is the same as my issue with Hannibal turning himself in...it is just too much. The character is a deity at this point. He never loses. Even when he is arrested, it is simply his way of taunting someone. Now he is in a prison cell nicer than most apartments. He can cook gourmet food in his cell. He routinely makes threats to his warden (that you know he will keep). Hannibal has become omnipotent, and that takes drama out of the character. His capture should've been his lowest point. It should've been a much earned and deserved reward for Will. It should've reflected that he no longer has power over Will (which would've made the Red Dragon story all the more compelling, when Will turns to him for help). Instead it was just another way for Hannibal to get one over on Will....just another win for the God-like Hannibal. And the cell underlines that.

THAT was very odd. I'm not sure I get how this is justified at all.
 
But does that include patterns within yourself? (which was my question and was not at all answered by the above quoted post)

You really ought not stick your nose where it doesn't belong, but if you'd like to continue this conversation, feel free to PM me. :yay:
 
There's this great scene in Red Dragon where, after Hannibal sends his message to the pilgrim Chilton comes in, takes away all of Hannibal's books, strips his room clean and then has Hannibal's toilet seat removed as punishment. So perhaps we'll get that exact scene from the novel/film.
 
Honestly, my issue with the cell is the same as my issue with Hannibal turning himself in...it is just too much. The character is a deity at this point. He never loses. Even when he is arrested, it is simply his way of taunting someone. Now he is in a prison cell nicer than most apartments. He can cook gourmet food in his cell. He routinely makes threats to his warden (that you know he will keep). Hannibal has become omnipotent, and that takes drama out of the character. His capture should've been his lowest point. It should've been a much earned and deserved reward for Will. It should've reflected that he no longer has power over Will (which would've made the Red Dragon story all the more compelling, when Will turns to him for help). Instead it was just another way for Hannibal to get one over on Will....just another win for the God-like Hannibal. And the cell underlines that.

Honestly, I've started thinking of the show as some type of dark fantasy for a while now. And, while that isn't what the books are about, I kind of like it that way. The show just really has set itself so far apart from the books at this point that I kinda just take it as is. I get the complaints about him being near-omnipotent and agree with them wholeheartedly. It just hasn't stopped me from enjoying the show. The most it's gotten out of me is an eye roll here and there and a couple times a boisterous laugh. It's never been something that has made me love the show any less, though.
 
I see. I mean his cell looks like how it would look like if this show was true to itself. So I don't know how that's 'jarring'. You even admitted it's a trend for the show so...


Yes, jarring. Jarring in the sense that it was a striking, relatively shocking image. Surreal, unrealistic, clashes with the perceptions we have about how/where mass murderers are imprisoned, etc.


Because you keep comparing the show to the films(?)


I made one comparison, and you then proceeded to needlessly lecture me on the fact that the show isn't those things and doesn't have to be like those things. We're all aware of that. However, this show is still an adaptation of something. If you think it's unreasonable or absurd for someone to acknowledge and discuss the differences and similarities between this adaptation and the source material, even sometimes comparing them, I really don't know what to tell you.



Except it's been literally ONE episode of imprisonment that could last for a few years? Maybe it comes in a later season? or later this season? Or not at all.

We don't know...we haven't seen enough. It's a complaint that is falling on a lack of evidence. We can continue this after the final episode airs and we see how the Cell fits in with the rest of the narrative.


You're right, and I'm happy/excited to see how everything plays out.

However, it's not a complaint falling on lack of evidence because I'm not really complaining about anything. I was expressing my own opinion about the way the cell was presented and the desires I originally had for that presentation going in. Not because it needed to be just like SOTL, but because I think it would have been effective for this show. If you don't feel something like this warrants discussion, or that it's too early for something like this to be discussed, it might have not been in your best interests to engage in such a discussion.

Here's my original post that you responded to, which I'm not sure you read entirely:


"Either way, the image of Hannibal standing alone in a less-than-desirable prison cell -- a la Silence of the Lambs -- is an effective one. I think an image like that would be even more effective here because, for the first time in live action, we have been heavily exposed to Hannibal's life as a free man over three seasons. We've seen his taste for the finer things in life, whether it be food/drink, clothing, or settings like his office and home.

I was hoping to see all of that fully stripped away from him once imprisoned, as it would truly be a stark contrast to what we had seen of him before.
Some might consider this "nitpicking", but I do feel it's a valid point. I understand the aesthetic Fuller was going for with this design and I'm certainly not suggesting they should have copied the SOTL aesthetic completely, but it almost appears that Hannibal is simply spending time in his own office while wearing his PJs. The fact that he is able to cook also seems a bit strange."
 
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Honestly, I've started thinking of the show as some type of dark fantasy for a while now. And, while that isn't what the books are about, I kind of like it that way. The show just really has set itself so far apart from the books at this point that I kinda just take it as is. I get the complaints about him being near-omnipotent and agree with them wholeheartedly. It just hasn't stopped me from enjoying the show. The most it's gotten out of me is an eye roll here and there and a couple times a boisterous laugh. It's never been something that has made me love the show any less, though.


Me neither.
 
I do find the show to be a little pretentious from time to time, and over the top with surrealistic stuffl but it's still a grat show. All that is part of what makes it unique.
 
I don't believe Armitage uttered a word and yet was completely captivating. I'm in awe.

And that score...
 
Nice to see Armitage get some lines this episode, he's doing a great job so far, hope that we keep seeing more glimpses of his childhood, neither of the two films payed as much attention to that factor as they should've.
 
Nice to see Armitage get some lines this episode, he's doing a great job so far, hope that we keep seeing more glimpses of his childhood, neither of the two films payed as much attention to that factor as they should've.

How did you see it? Doesn't air until Saturday.
 
It still airs on Thursday's in Canada.

Nice to see Armitage get some lines this episode, he's doing a great job so far, hope that we keep seeing more glimpses of his childhood, neither of the two films payed as much attention to that factor as they should've.

Yeah the thing with the nursing home was great to finally see onscreen, personally I'm hoping we see the whole thing with his mother and her abandonment of him, the step-siblings etc. Those chapters in Red Dragon always unsettled me more than anything else in the series.
 
It still airs on Thursday's in Canada.



Yeah the thing with the nursing home was great to finally see onscreen, personally I'm hoping we see the whole thing with his mother and her abandonment of him, the step-siblings etc. Those chapters in Red Dragon always unsettled me more than anything else in the series.

Those chapters really do add a lot, wish Harris had done something that achieved a similar function for Buffalo Bill in Silence, allows you to see more than just the monstrous serial killer and makes for a much more interesting antagonist.
 
Yeah Buffalo Bill always kind of struck me as less interesting than the likes of Dolarhyde or Mason Verger. Francis had a lot of depth and complexity that made him feel like a real human being struggling with himself. Mason was the other end of the spectrum, he was a complete monster who was evil from the get go, but his depravity and sadism was used in a colorful fashion with his dark sense of humor. In comparison Jame Gumb was just kind of there, they hand waved his backstory with a casual explanation of vague abuse, but he wasn't really a central figure with a history like the other two were.
 
yea, it still irritates the **** out of me that alana is doing the same things that chilton should be doing.

also, they legit referenced the " murder husbands " thing and that is just :lmao:
 
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was hilarious, along with the "finger wagging" line.

I love seeing Mads take on the cell induced Hannibal. It wasn't fully shown (less Mind Palace this episode) last episode.

Nice to see the Abigail stuff more fleshed out and of course Freddie's return.
 
Yeah Buffalo Bill always kind of struck me as less interesting than the likes of Dolarhyde or Mason Verger. Francis had a lot of depth and complexity that made him feel like a real human being struggling with himself. Mason was the other end of the spectrum, he was a complete monster who was evil from the get go, but his depravity and sadism was used in a colorful fashion with his dark sense of humor. In comparison Jame Gumb was just kind of there, they hand waved his backstory with a casual explanation of vague abuse, but he wasn't really a central figure with a history like the other two were.

Wasn't that sort of the point of Buffalo Bill though -the story was Clarice/Hannibal and their journey. Gumb was just there to serve as a reason for Clarice and Hannibal to meet and work together.
 
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