Dreamworks/Paramount's Ghost In The Shell - Part 2

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I saw it yesterday as well. The visuals were great. Besides that, I felt the pacing, action and overall magic was lacking. I wouldn't see it again, even if that is "free" on Netflix. This isn't a style over substance issue like so many Zack Snyder films. It is lacking the bombast of Snyder films such as 300 and Watchmen, which although lacked in the substance and storytelling, delivered in the blockbuster/entertainment aspect.
 
My review/ramblings...

It's a solid movie visually with a lackluster story. I was a fan of Rupert Sanders's visual style from the first Snow White movie, so seeing how ambitious he was bringing anime to live action was great. He did a great thing of not making the world too CG by having more practical sets and characters and have it mix well together. It's something I wish more directors that was given a high budget could do *cough Snyder *cough*. I thought Scarlett Johansson and Takeshi Kitano was great, they were easily the only thing that kept this from being completely boring aside from the visuals. As for the story, it's pretty predictable, there's not a whole lot of originality going on. If you see one amnesia trope, you've seen them all. However there was something that they reveal that is completely necessary and it actually made this whole whitewashing controversy even worse. It reminded me of how Bruce Timm added that prologue to The Killing Joke to make the fans who love Barb feel better... only to make the issue way worse. It's the same thing going on here, which really sucks. Overall though, it's not great, but not terrible. Its only highlight was the visuals and the scenery. It'll be one of those movie demos that you put on to show off your 4K tv.
6.5/10
 
And i'm still unsure if Grace is hnnngh or not.

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to the detriment of his own story.

Which is?
I know RoboCop (2014) was doing fine until for w/e reason
they immediately cut to a beat for beat remake when the director seemed content on making a more serious cop thriller.
 
It's not necessarily set in "Japan". It's so far into a future of it's own, it could be an entirely different continent for all that's presented in the film. As the audience, we just assume it's set in Japan. It's actually filmed in New Zealand and built from there. The culture within the film is very Japanese yes. That could be taken many different ways though. Because of the rise of technology, Japanese culture could have over run America. There are things left unanswered and theres a deep, rich world presented on screen. These types of things are done on purpose to set the film in a world of it's own. It becomes timeless.

The cast is extremely diverse, Australian, African-American, English, it's not just "white people". This is the aspect that made me wonder... Is this Japan? Or is it a perfect unity of race and high tech culture? Next to all of the henchmen, there are 3 major Japanese roles in the film, in which they are pivotal to the story. I'm not sure where you're getting your info.

Japan is like this in the source material. Its due to the aftermath of World War 3, the collapse of the United States into three countries, World War 4, and the post world war invasion of Latin America by the American Empire.

Thus there are millions of refugees in Japan from all over the world and Japan is a superpower as it suffered very little destruction compared to other major powers in the WW3 nuclear exchange. In SAC Kuze becomes a leader of a massive refugee movement that essentially starts a war against Japan. SAC also dramatically expands material on the state of the post war world.

This is all wonderful mythology I wish the film would have touched on, but we got almost no backstory on anything or anyone.
 
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Just saw it.

Meh.

Thats really my impression of it all. Its not a bad film, I just felt unimpressed and wasn't engaged on a visceral level. A lot of it felt very "been there done that" like ive seen this kind of plot/setup a dozen times before. I know its an adaptation but still, it felt a little too deivative. The action was kind of blah and I think the PG-13 rating seriously hampered it from having any real punch to it. The pacing was rough sometimes and when your lead protagonist is an android who only sparingly shows slight emotion then it can feel like a drag.

Visuals were, music was nice...every thing else blah IMO.

Im a very easy lay with movies in general but this only slightly aroused me. Again def not a bad film just very very unimpressive. I cannot see this being a hit with general audiences, I think they'll be bored with it.

6/10.
 
I really wanted this movie to be good. I remained positive while the reviews and negative posts came in. Man, this was not a good movie. They totally botched the story and themes of the '95 anime film. The ending was terrible. Cringe worthy lines and delivery. They injected terrible and generic storylines.

Honestly I can't even say I enjoyed the visuals. Everything looked so fake to me.
 
lol!! I don't normally read IMDB's reviews but after reading this analogy I'm dead...

"McDonald's version of Sushi" :hehe:
 
I don't understand why people are complaining about Scarlett Johanson's casting.

If you look at Asian movies ( Hong Kong movies, China movies, Taiwan movies, Singapore movies and etc.....), they never cast any other races except their very own.

And even if they did, the minorities appearing in Asian movies had very small roles, little dialogues and usually play the villains.

There are a lot of Caucasians living in Asia, yet you hardly sees them appearing in Asian movies.

When is the last time that you watch a Singapore movie, Hong Kong movie that prominently features a Caucasian character or African character? Never.

Why should Hollywood pander to Asian people?

You can bet that if Asian countries remake Hollywood movies, they will cast their own race too and would hardly feature any Caucasian characters at all.
 
I think when it comes to America we're supposed to be the exception to the rule since we're supposedly all about being diverse and what not. I think there are cases of Asian studios remaking American flicks and shows with their own cast and crews, but it's just....different when they do it, go figure.
 
I don't understand why people are complaining about Scarlett Johanson's casting.

If you look at Asian movies ( Hong Kong movies, China movies, Taiwan movies, Singapore movies and etc.....), they never cast any other races except their very own.

And even if they did, the minorities appearing in Asian movies had very small roles, little dialogues and usually play the villains.

There are a lot of Caucasians living in Asia, yet you hardly sees them appearing in Asian movies.

When is the last time that you watch a Singapore movie, Hong Kong movie that prominently features a Caucasian character or African character? Never.

Why should Hollywood pander to Asian people?

You can bet that if Asian countries remake Hollywood movies, they will cast their own race too and would hardly feature any Caucasian characters at all.

Anyone deeply familiar with the source material should not have an issue with the casting.

The Major's shell was designed by Megatech Industries, not to be confused with the Hanka nonsense from the live action film, to be ethnically ambiguous and she operates in a Japan filled with millions of refugees and immigrants from all over the world.
 
Anyone deeply familiar with the source material should not have an issue with the casting.

The Major's shell was designed by Megatech Industries, not to be confused with the Hanka nonsense from the live action film, to be ethnically ambiguous and she operates in a Japan filled with millions of refugees and immigrants from all over the world.

And who would pick the same race for their "shell".

I would pick the body of a humming bird or a dolphin to be honest.

Nobody would care about human ethnicity in this transhuman future.
 
I just want an anime as fun as the original manga.

But this will be an interesting experiment.

We're pretty lucky.
 
Saw it earlier today. I enjoyed it. It has some major irksome moments and the "twist"(if you can call it that) is quite problematic and jarring, but overall it's a serviceable action flick.
Great visuals. It really needed a better villain, though.
I'd say the best parts were the ones ripped from the anime, tbh.

And I totally want to live in that world.
 
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Early estimates has Ghost in the Shell making just 7.4M on Friday.
 
My wife was saying that while Scarlett doesn't look Japanese, she does look like an anime character. Let's face it, characters in anime are not drawn to look Japanese.
 
I don't understand why people are complaining about Scarlett Johanson's casting.

If you look at Asian movies ( Hong Kong movies, China movies, Taiwan movies, Singapore movies and etc.....), they never cast any other races except their very own.

And even if they did, the minorities appearing in Asian movies had very small roles, little dialogues and usually play the villains.

There are a lot of Caucasians living in Asia, yet you hardly sees them appearing in Asian movies.

When is the last time that you watch a Singapore movie, Hong Kong movie that prominently features a Caucasian character or African character? Never.

Why should Hollywood pander to Asian people?

You can bet that if Asian countries remake Hollywood movies, they will cast their own race too and would hardly feature any Caucasian characters at all.


I forgot to mention this earlier. I'm a Chinese guy and I really enjoy watching the movie. I have no issue with Scarlett Johanson as the role of The Major.
 
I think when it comes to America we're supposed to be the exception to the rule since we're supposedly all about being diverse and what not. I think there are cases of Asian studios remaking American flicks and shows with their own cast and crews, but it's just....different when they do it, go figure.

but i guarantee you once attack on titan film starts casting the media will call it white washing even tho 99% of the characters in the anime are european lol
 
but i guarantee you once attack on titan film starts casting the media will call it white washing even tho 99% of the characters in the anime are european lol

minus literally one character.
 
I don't understand why people are complaining about Scarlett Johanson's casting.
Well even if you don't take into account the racial controversy a lot of people, including myself, are on a sort of ScarJo fatigue. She's popping up everywhere, which is great for her and she's probably in the prime of her popularity! But there IS a such thing as "too much" of a good thing.

As for her as the Major, I get that she raised the awareness of the production to another level since she's an A-lister, but I honestly would've liked to have seen someone less popular in the role. How cool would it have been to see the likes of Summer Glau, Aubrey Plaza or Jena Malone tackle the role? ScarJo as the Major feels like such obvious and vanilla casting (no pun intended) that it's hard to get excited about the prospect of her playing any kick ass women, because we know pretty much what we're gonna get.

If you look at Asian movies ( Hong Kong movies, China movies, Taiwan movies, Singapore movies and etc.....), they never cast any other races except their very own.

And even if they did, the minorities appearing in Asian movies had very small roles, little dialogues and usually play the villains.

There are a lot of Caucasians living in Asia, yet you hardly sees them appearing in Asian movies.

When is the last time that you watch a Singapore movie, Hong Kong movie that prominently features a Caucasian character or African character? Never.
Asian cultures are vastly different than our own, that's why. America is a melting pot of people from EVERYWHERE...Europe, Mediterranean, African, South America and of course...Asia. America has had more than 2 centuries of mixing and sharing differing cultures. It's without doubt the most diverse country on the planet and it wasn't until the last 2 or 3 decades that Hollywood movies started to reflect how ethnically diverse our country is and they can still do better.

On the other hand, East Asia has yet to galvonize the flood of cultures the way United States has and even taking into consideration the more racially diverse areas in East Asia they don't have centuries of shared culture like America does. The US is sort of the ultimate mutt of the world while East Asia is still pretty darn Asian. The ratio for Whites to Asians in East Asia is certainly smaller than the ratio of Asians to Whites in America. So since Asians are the obsolute majority over there, and will be for the foreseeable future, there's no real desire from the public to see a White person as a starring character in their movies. Sure they tried to force Matt Damon into a starring role, but that didn't come from the people. That decision came from the money, the studios.

It's basic supply and demand. There's no demand in East Asia to see a White actor in their movies so therefor no supply....and if they want that fix they can just get it from Hollywood movies. God knows we're not in short supply...we're actually pretty damn saturated right now.

And before anyone says "then why don't Asian Americans just goto East Asian films for their Asian fix". Well, first...we do. Second, it's not the same and why that is will be explained later.

You can bet that if Asian countries remake Hollywood movies, they will cast their own race too and would hardly feature any Caucasian characters at all.
America has been doing that for decades (Magnificent Seven, A Fistfull of Dollars, The Departed, The Ring, The Grudge, My Sassy Girl, Oldboy) so why is it an issue if Asia does the reverse?

Why should Hollywood pander to Asian people?
Well first, they shouldn't be pandering. Pandering is when you give someone what they want in exchange for something of theirs, usually money or a vote, which is the same in most circumstances and in this case it would also mean silence from dissenters. Rather Hollywood should be ACCOMMODATING...welcoming with open arms, embracing, and celebrating. But why?

Because representation matters in America. Black Lives Matter, White Lives Matter, Asian Lives Matter...and so do the lives of people in each and every race. Because America should be progressive in almost everything it does, including art and entertainment. I mean, without Asian culture America wouldn't be able to enjoy anime, manga, martial arts films, Eastern philosophy, Eastern aesthetics, Asian food or Ken Jeong.

America, as well as Hollywood, should be all inclusive, not exclusive. Hollywood shouldn't pander...but it should accommodate......because Hollywood should be a reflection and inspiration of America.


I'll leave you with this very insightful comment from Chris Stuckman's review of Ghost in the Shell...

Dana Zhang said:
"The reason why Americans have beef about ScarJo and Japanese people don't is that Japanese people are used to seeing themselves represented in television. All of Japanese movies and television shows star Japanese people, so of course they don't give two ****s and actually like it that a white person is starring as the main character in an anime adaptation.

It is the unique situation in America where Asian Americans feel like growing up, the television shows labeled 'American' fail to represent the not insignificant population of Asian Americans in the United States today. To not have an AMERICAN movie represent these generations of people feels as though it renders them invisible, refusing to acknowledge their existence or their history. It doesn't give this group of people validation. While Japanese people have seen their homegrown movies validate them, OUR homegrown movies rarely show that."
Nailed It.
 
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I forgot to mention this earlier. I'm a Chinese guy and I really enjoy watching the movie. I have no issue with Scarlett Johanson as the role of The Major.
YOU BRING SHAME AND DISHONOR TO YOUR ANCESTORS!!!

Actually yeah, that means you're Asian :oldrazz:
 
Damn well said, DorkyFresh. That is an excellent comment you quoted too.
 
Thanks bruv. You know I gotta keep fighting the good fight ;)
 
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