Comics Enough crying, lets take our fight to Joey Q!

[Arach Knight]

Doctor Strange supposedly has a strong ethic about magic abuse. He doesn't use it for personal gain nor does he use it to bend reality, for fear of undoing the balance of of space and time. At least that is what he is supposed to be about. Instead he joined the Illuminati and decided to play judge and jury by agreeing to launch Hulk into an unknown galaxy. When Hulk came back to get justified revenge on the Illuminati (Professor Xavier, Black Bolt, Namor the Submariner, Iron Man, Doctor Strange, Reed Richards), Doctor Strange, who is usually reserved about magic use, decides to wield a pair of gauntlets that allow him to channel the power of a very powerful demon.

It was his hope that using those powers would allow him to defeat the Hulk. Instead, the demon gains control of Strange's consciousness and proceeds to put everyone in the near vicinity in danger. Hulk winds up saving the people and simultaneously beating the crap out of the newly powered Doctor Strange. As part of the illuminati (the group formed after the Skrull/Kree War), Strange represents a hero that now shares in the esoteric (to the rest of the 616) agenda of the rest of that faction.

 

[Styleshift]

Doctor Strange supposedly has a strong ethic about magic abuse. He doesn't use it for personal gain nor does he use it to bend reality, for fear of undoing the balance of of space and time. At least that is what he is supposed to be about. Instead he joined the Illuminati and decided to play judge and jury by agreeing to launch Hulk into an unknown galaxy. When Hulk came back to get justified revenge on the Illuminati (Professor Xavier, Black Bolt, Namor the Submariner, Iron Man, Doctor Strange, Reed Richards), Doctor Strange, who is usually reserved about magic use, decides to wield a pair of gauntlets that allow him to channel the power of a very powerful demon.

It was his hope that using those powers would allow him to defeat the Hulk. Instead, the demon gains control of Strange's consciousness and proceeds to put everyone in the near vicinity in danger. Hulk winds up saving the people and simultaneously beating the crap out of the newly powered Doctor Strange. As part of the illuminati (the group formed after the Skrull/Kree War), Strange represents a hero that now shares in the esoteric (to the rest of the 616) agenda of the rest of that faction.

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AH! so just like Spidey's unmasking and proregistration decisions in civil war...Doc strange was written horribly out of character to meet a stories requirements?

(I guess that were right about the hulk being able to own everyone in the marvel universe. )

 

[Arach Knight]

I am not sure if he was written out of character. I never read too many of Doctor Strange's books when he had his own title. I am not into mystic characters just like i'm not into cosmic characters (with the exception of The Green Lantern). So I do not know what his character is like. I just know how he has behaved in team up books.

 

[Styleshift]

I know Doc strange has been canceled alot when he had his own title...even in his earliest incarnation.

he's not that popular when it comes down to it.

and I'm not that fond of mystical mumbo jumbo either....it's one thing about jms' run that got on my nerves. taking a character of science and forcing him to be one of magic.

I believe it wasn't his choice initially...because at first he left the origin ambigious. but i bet it was another marvel milk this story for money when spidey's sales seem to go up decision like the clone saga.

as long as marvel continues to do that....we will always have bad spidey stories....

as for doc strange....its safe to say he was written out of character. what you described sounded about right. i've always known him to be the go to guy. the one with all the wisdom and alot of power. and one that tried to balance it so that things wouldn't go crazy.

The Illuminati disregarded that part of his character.

 

[ZollyBeckerShow]

Ever seen Oldboy?
Joey Q could use some of that attention.
When everything he produced and everyone he cared about fades away, I'd say- "It's a brand new day."
Then I'd smile in a reserved manner.

 

[Stuart Green]

6/3/2008


Bump.

I've already mentioned my disapproval of the current comics by sending hand-written letters to Mr. Quesada and to others at Marvel. I really wish the "Bland New"... excuse me, "BRAND New Day" Spider-Man stories get retconned and the Spider-Marriage is restored back into continuity where it belongs.

'Nuff said.


Thanks for reading,
Stuart Green

 

[ZollyBeckerShow]

Stuart, you have restored my faith in human kind.

 

[Arach Knight]

Petitions do not work. At least not in this circumstance. It may show some fan demand, but you will hardly have enough signatures to total the amount of monthly sales that Spider-Man sees. Especially since it is a single title thrice monthly. You would have to actually organize an action, in which you convinced a significant number of individuals to cease purchasing the title for an extended block of time (three months). For that matter, I still am pleased with the end result of unmarrying Spider-Man. I'll still never agree with how it was done, but I will always support what the result was. As i've said before, I haven't enjoyed Spider-Man stories this much, since Amazing Spider-Man 260.

 

[Themanofbat]

6/3/2008

I've already mentioned my disapproval of the current comics by sending hand-written letters to Mr. Quesada and to others at Marvel. I really wish the "Bland New"... excuse me, "BRAND New Day" Spider-Man stories get retconned and the Spider-Marriage is restored back into continuity where it belongs.

'Nuff said.

Thanks for reading,
Stuart Green

6/3/2008

I've already mentioned my approval of the current comics by telling everybody how great Spider-Man has been since BND. I really hope that the "Grand New"... excuse me, "BRAND New Day" Spider-Man stories are here to stay and the Spider-Marriage is merely a sad reminder of the bad things that can occur to Spidey, like the death of Gwen, and will be the basis of great future stories and that it stays in the past where it belongs.

'Nuff said.

Thanks for reading,

Mike

 

[Themanofbat]

Stuart, you have restored my faith in human kind.

You remind me of the stupidity of mankind and why I hate a lot of people.

 

[Styleshift]

Petitions do not work. At least not in this circumstance. It may show some fan demand, but you will hardly have enough signatures to total the amount of monthly sales that Spider-Man sees. Especially since it is a single title thrice monthly. You would have to actually organize an action, in which you convinced a significant number of individuals to cease purchasing the title for an extended block of time (three months). For that matter, I still am pleased with the end result of unmarrying Spider-Man. I'll still never agree with how it was done, but I will always support what the result was. As i've said before, I haven't enjoyed Spider-Man stories this much, since Amazing Spider-Man 260.

I think there main fault was giving him too much in the first place.
we went from watching him be a high school nerd to a high school teacher thats married to a super model and found acceptance in both his lives by everyone closet to him.

As much as we like to argue back and forth there are always going to be pro's or cons to it....

Pro: Mj took alot away from the character. it was a bad creative choice to have her suddenly want to settle down and want Pete to quit. I really believe this was a factor straight from the clone saga. (I know most married couples do settle down.) but she went in respecting Peter's Spider-ness. She also took away the money issues because she was a super model.

Con: Pete has no one he can confide in right now as both Spidey and Pete. its regressed his character back 20 years and altered the characters history. it conflicts a bit with the characters attitude. he's willing to live with Mj and be with her intimately for years (while he never lived with gwen or made woopy with her he was going to marry her.) that shows Pete is the type for settling down. the fact that he's no longer married will probably lock him into his bad luck with women phase again...and we all know how interesting that was... it was cute back in the day but got old fast...

 

[Norman Osborn]

6/3/2008

I've already mentioned my approval of the current comics by telling everybody how great Spider-Man has been since BND. I really hope that the "Grand New"... excuse me, "BRAND New Day" Spider-Man stories are here to stay and the Spider-Marriage is merely a sad reminder of the bad things that can occur to Spidey, like the death of Gwen, and will be the basis of great future stories and that it stays in the past where it belongs.

'Nuff said.

Thanks for reading,

Mike

Please....please...I implore you....I get it...you like Brand New Day...great...but please don't compare the Death of Gwen Stacy with the dissolution of the Spidey marriage!!....it's like comparing candy and cancer!!

 

[moraldeficiency]

Please....please...I implore you....I get it...you like Brand New Day...great...but please don't compare the Death of Gwen Stacy with the dissolution of the Spidey marriage!!....it's like comparing candy and cancer!!

Yeah I gotta agree, the Death of Gwen Stacy was well written, had a point, moved the character forward, had emotional depth and didn't involve liferape, the devil or impossible magical solutions completely out of character in any way.

 

[Themanofbat]

Please....please...I implore you....I get it...you like Brand New Day...great...but please don't compare the Death of Gwen Stacy with the dissolution of the Spidey marriage!!....it's like comparing candy and cancer!!

Well, seeing it's from you... ok.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Wait, wait, wait...TMOB LIKES ASM??? REALLY?

 

[Norman Osborn]

Well, seeing it's from you... ok.

It's cause I'm a canuck isn't it?

 

[Themanofbat]

It's cause I'm a canuck isn't it?

That... and a fellow Maritimer.

Did you see me on Live at Five a few weeks back, around early April? They did a little skit about comics and I was interviewed for the show at the Comic Hunter in Moncton (even though I get my books from GameZilla).

 

[Themanofbat]

Wait, wait, wait...TMoB LIKES ASM??? REALLY?

Yes... yes, I do.

 

[iloveclones]

That... and a fellow Maritimer.

Did you see me on Live at Five a few weeks back, around early April? They did a little skit about comics and I was interviewed for the show at the Comic Hunter in Moncton (even though I get my books from GameZilla).

Stop playing with us.

YouTube link.

Now.

(And don't even try to tell us that you didn't tape it....)

 

[Norman Osborn]

That... and a fellow Maritimer.

Did you see me on Live at Five a few weeks back, around early April? They did a little skit about comics and I was interviewed for the show at the Comic Hunter in Moncton (even though I get my books from GameZilla).

Video link or it didn't happen!!

Although I do vaguely remember a news item from Live at 5 a while back, dealing with comics but for the life of me I remember nothing else

 

[Doc Destruction]

Wow, I've bought books from Gamezilla in Moncton. Small world.

 

[Norman Osborn]

Wow, I've bought books from Gamezilla in Moncton. Small world.

I've been in a comic book store in Moncton....but I thought it was a Strange Adventures and apparently there's no Strange Adventures in Moncton

 

[Themanofbat]

Stop playing with us.

YouTube link.

Now.

(And don't even try to tell us that you didn't tape it....)

Video link or it didn't happen!!

Although I do vaguely remember a news item from Live at 5 a while back, dealing with comics but for the life of me I remember nothing else

My Mom has it on tape, but I'm not sure how to transfer a VHS tape onto the computer...

 

[Themanofbat]

Wow, I've bought books from Gamezilla in Moncton. Small world.

Yeah... isn't your wife from here?

I've been in a comic book store in Moncton....but I thought it was a Strange Adventures and apparently there's no Strange Adventures in Moncton

No.. there never was... there used to be a Wilkie's (which you'd be familiar with), so maybe you're thinking of that place (I managed the Wilkie's from 1993 to 1997, so maybe we ran into each other), and now there's GameZilla, Mad City Comics, and The Comic Hunter.

 

[Arach Knight]

Please....please...I implore you....I get it...you like Brand New Day...great...but please don't compare the Death of Gwen Stacy with the dissolution of the Spidey marriage!!....it's like comparing candy and cancer!!

I'm not trying to sour the mood of what has become a friendly conversation about comic shopping habits, but I want to say that comparing Gwen's death to the disolving of Peter's marriage, is very much an apt juxtaposition. Peter was willing to marry Gwen stacy. the characters had already been dating for so long in real world time, that the relationship was starting to lose purpose if they did not progress soon. Since none of the writers or the EIC felt it was a good idea to marry the two, they had little other recourse. Having them break up would have seemed uncharacteristic, so they decided to remove her from Peter's life due to external factors. In this case, her death. Killing Mary Jane however, was too far gone of an option considering that she almost had his child, was married to him and knew his identity. All things Gwen never got the chance for.