Loki Episode 6: For All Time. Always. (Spoiler Discussion)

[Pennywise]

I’m really excited to see more of Majors’ Kang in the MCU.

Makes me wonder because of the various Loki variants, they could also get different actors, in addition to Majors playing multiple versions.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'm responsible for what I write, not what you understand.
But yeah, just a couple of months ago I was saying that "Black Klansman" should have won the Oscar, so obviously I'm a Spike Lee hater.

So... by "hood" what was meant was "Klan Hood"?

Interesting...

Sorry, I don't know who these guys are.

Yes... Of COURSE you have no frame of reference.

Of course this joke and social commentary in it go over your head...

Clearly, it's one dude from the hood, and another who isn't.

If you say so.

Actually YOU said so for all intents and purposes.

How about you just take a moment, rewatch Majors' scenes in the episode and just admit you were off base.



Cuz... Outfit aside... Yeah, Majors' wasn't Flavor Flav or some ****.

Just say you were wrong. I know it hurts but that's how the cookie crumbles.

Or... Stay resentful of people rightly calling out when another state Shakey "hot take" opinions with no basis in reality until you die.

Just don't pretend not to know what's being talked about, it is insulting.

 

[Brother Jack]

For me, I was fully engaged by his performance. He was creepy, unpredictable, eccentric.. and I thought fairly complex, honestly. He carried the episode… easily the best part about it.

I can appreciate what you’re saying though that it was fairly generic. We have seen characters like this before: Q, Willy Wonka, the architect, etc. these characters with sort of a God complex. This one was no different.

He did that part really well though. The performance felt adequately deep and complex. I feel like it was several levels above a CW performance… several degrees more complex. You act like this was lazy or obvious. But it’s possible to do an easy thing really well, and I think that happened here. He wasn’t a cackling menace, covered in black mascara. His moves were exaggerated but not cartoonish. Calling his performance ‘camp’ seems unfair.

It took me a minute to get acclimated to the performance, Majors was making a very strong capital-C Choice with the role, but I started to really dig it because it was so strange. Yeah it is similar to other characters of that kind of Wizard of Oz/Man Behind the Curtain archetype, but the MCU hasn't quite had a character like that before, and with this show in particular I was not at all expecting Kang to actually show up in the flesh, let alone be the way he was portrayed. If this guy is to be the Big Bad of Phase 4 they needed to go for something different, and this is about as different from Thanos as you can get.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

It took me a minute to get acclimated to the performance, Majors was making a very strong capital-C Choice with the role, but I started to really dig it because it was so strange. Yeah it is similar to other characters of that kind of Wizard of Oz/Man Behind the Curtain archetype, but the MCU hasn't quite had a character like that before, and with this show in particular I was not at all expecting Kang to actually show up in the flesh, let alone be the way he was portrayed. If this guy is to be the Big Bad of Phase 4 they needed to go for something different, and this is about as different from Thanos as you can get.

This.

Why just rehash Thanos?

And I feel very strongly that Majors' was deeply involved with the Marvel braintrust and Feige in mapping out the approach to Kang/Immortus both here and in his other appearances in the MCU to come.

I think his next appearance will be a contrast to what we saw in Loki.

It just makes sense given how much emphasis was given to the divergent yet similar nature's of all the variants on display in the show. This was a set up to acclimate the audience as to the "rules" of what the approach to Kang is going to be.

 

[Dr. Evil]

If Marvel wasn't going to get Majors, DC would have gotten him instead and it would have been a significant addition to the cast of actors in the DCEU.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Sorry, I don't know who these guys are.

I take it you don't watch Late Night TV?

 

[Asharad]

I take it you don't watch Late Night TV?

What's a TV?

 

[Hannibal75]

I take it you don't watch Late Night TV?

I am not American.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I am not American.

But... You used the term "hood" to describe something... For reasons, right?

 

[Enriquespy]

So, I got strong "Rick Sanchez" feel with this next big bad guy. Not in terms of personality, but in terms of interdimentional variants, power level, gambit styles and so on.

Do any of you see it too?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

So, I got strong "Rick Sanchez" feel with this next big bad guy. Not in terms of personality, but in terms of interdimentional variants, power level, gambit styles and so on.

Do any of you see it too?

The influence of Rick And Morty and Doctor Who cannot be denied on this show.

Show runner worked on R&M after all.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Deck Rickard]

I had my doubts about whether Kang’s traditional look could work in live action but if they go with something like this design? Hell yes. Hell yes it could. Amazing.

 

[VTGuy]

It took me a minute to get acclimated to the performance, Majors was making a very strong capital-C Choice with the role, but I started to really dig it because it was so strange. Yeah it is similar to other characters of that kind of Wizard of Oz/Man Behind the Curtain archetype, but the MCU hasn't quite had a character like that before, and with this show in particular I was not at all expecting Kang to actually show up in the flesh, let alone be the way he was portrayed. If this guy is to be the Big Bad of Phase 4 they needed to go for something different, and this is about as different from Thanos as you can get.

I think this thread needs a sticky post explaining that this WAS NOT KANG! This was a single version of this man. This guy was "The One Who Remains". There are other timelines where he turns out to be a variation (variants) of this person. Some are probably sort of like him (possibly responsible for the version of the TVA that Loki is now in). Others may lean toward a much darker side which is where "Kang the Conqueror" arises.
Many of the haters of Majors' performance as "The One Who Remains" are strongly and unfairly projecting what you want the Kang persona to be on him.
I thought the performance as an overburdened, tired human bordering on full blown crazy, was perfect. The performance was engaging and left me with a huge desire to see what happens next as this actor gets to potentially portray lots of different versions of a character.

 

[Flint Marko]

I think this thread needs a sticky post explaining that this WAS NOT KANG! This was a single version of this man. This guy was "The One Who Remains". There are other timelines where he turns out to be a variation (variants) of this person. Some are probably sort of like him (possibly responsible for the version of the TVA that Loki is now in). Others may lean toward a much darker side which is where "Kang the Conqueror" arises.
Many of the haters of Majors' performance as "The One Who Remains" are strongly and unfairly projecting what you want the Kang persona to be on him.
I thought the performance as an overburdened, tired human bordering on full blown crazy, was perfect. The performance was engaging and left me with a huge desire to see what happens next as this actor gets to potentially portray lots of different versions of a character.

What I dig about this is you're basically getting an unlimited amount of Jonathan Major performances for the price of one.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Very nice. If we get to see more of Majors beyond a statue in season 2 that kind of armor could for sure work.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think this thread needs a sticky post explaining that this WAS NOT KANG! This was a single version of this man. This guy was "The One Who Remains". There are other timelines where he turns out to be a variation (variants) of this person. Some are probably sort of like him (possibly responsible for the version of the TVA that Loki is now in). Others may lean toward a much darker side which is where "Kang the Conqueror" arises.
Many of the haters of Majors' performance as "The One Who Remains" are strongly and unfairly projecting what you want the Kang persona to be on him.
I thought the performance as an overburdened, tired human bordering on full blown crazy, was perfect. The performance was engaging and left me with a huge desire to see what happens next as this actor gets to potentially portray lots of different versions of a character.

Immortus, HWR, Nate Richards from the 31st century... Yeah he wasn't Kang proper. Which is something baked into Kang from the comics so I don't get the issues some are having. He didn't come off like Kang The Conquerer? Well... He wasn't anymore than Alligator Loki was the Loki of the MCU. And just from the statue alone we can see that Kang is different from HWR.

What I dig about this is you're basically getting an unlimited amount of Jonathan Major performances for the price of one.

THIS.

If LOKI as a show was about getting us to understand the complexity of time travel characters like Kang in the MCU, well mission accomplished. And having done that they have give Majors a huge canvas to do something challenging but unique with a character who is essentially a myriad of people, separate but the same.

It's like... Reverse Doctor Who if you think about it?

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[antsman41]

I had my doubts about whether Kang’s traditional look could work in live action but if they go with something like this design? Hell yes. Hell yes it could. Amazing.

They pulled off legit honoring of history for costumes concerning Vulture, Mysterio, and Thanos. I think we’ll be ok.

 

[Legendver2]

 

[Flash525]

I was actually left underwhelmed by this final, simply because the big bad is just going to be a 31st century human that's been writing timelines since reality began, all because of the multiverse?

And yes, I know he is in the comics as a conqueror, but when we've got cosmic beings and the like, the idea of someone so powerful and threatening being a mere human just seems a tad inconceivable.

And how, exactly is a mumtiversal war supposed to transpire onscreen? You just can't portray that kind of thing, unless it's not an actual war, but instead, just a fight between those people.

It'll probably turn out great, at least I hope it will, but I can't help to think that they're trying to fill in some seriously big boots here. How do you truly portray battles not only between universes (an endless amount of them might I add), but also, time itself?

I'm not quite understanding the MCUM either; things change and there's a new branch of reality with new characters of the same characters. This potentially provides the opportunity for endless versions of characters dead or alive to return in other ways - what if?

It's a mess.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I was actually left underwhelmed by this final, simply because the big bad is just going to be a 31st century human that's been writing timelines since reality began, all because of the multiverse?

And yes, I know he is in the comics as a conqueror, but when we've got cosmic beings and the like, the idea of someone so powerful and threatening being a mere human just seems a tad inconceivable.

And how, exactly is a mumtiversal war supposed to transpire onscreen? You just can't portray that kind of thing, unless it's not an actual war, but instead, just a fight between those people.

It'll probably turn out great, at least I hope it will, but I can't help to think that they're trying to fill in some seriously big boots here. How do you truly portray battles not only between universes (an endless amount of them might I add), but also, time itself?

I'm not quite understanding the MCUM either; things change and there's a new branch of reality with new characters of the same characters. This potentially provides the opportunity for endless versions of characters dead or alive to return in other ways - what if?

It's a mess.

Kang is an elite warrior and genius who brings technology with him from the 40th century, as well as a literal temporal empire with countless worlds and timelines under his thrall so his resources are truly incredible.


Mere human?

I mean... Technically yes.


But really...

Human?

Yes.

Mere?

 

[chamber-music]

Kang isn't a mere human. Kang is a genius super scientist, master tactician and strategist with access to advanced technology from across time/space/dimensions. He also has a legion henchmen under his control such as Alioth, Growing Men, Baltag, Malachi, Neut, Tempus, Tobias and the TVA's variants.

Kang has single handedly taken on entire teams of Avengers and held his own in the comics.

The immortus style variant Kang here was weary and ready to die. If he wanted Sylvie and Loki dead then he probably could of killed them. Kang knew their entire life story.

So, I got strong "Rick Sanchez" feel with this next big bad guy. Not in terms of personality, but in terms of interdimentional variants, power level, gambit styles and so on.

Do any of you see it too?

Rick and Morty is heavily influenced by previous pop culture including comics. Mr Nimbus is a Namor parody for example. Kang's Interdimensional variants have been around for decades and probably influenced Rick and Morty.

Various Rick and Morty writers are involved in Marvel. They have writers working on Loki, She-Hulk, Doctor Strange and Ant-Man and Wasp Quantumaina so there will be some similarities.

 

[bubbadoom]

I had my doubts about whether Kang’s traditional look could work in live action but if they go with something like this design? Hell yes. Hell yes it could. Amazing.

A traditional looking Kang is not any more difficult to pull off than the MCU Vision, Nebula, or Thanos - and those all worked just fine...