One of the writers for Cap 3 hinted at 1950's Captain America, aka William Burnside. While I don't see that happening for Cap 3, I do see them going with the route where Hydra meets their maker (because to me, HYDRA makes no sense for Avengers 3 if Thanos is the villain).
So the Cap 3 villains will be this guy:
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It would be a murderer's row of HYDRA. Did any of them have any connections whatsoever to Wakanda in the comics? Or any altercations with T'Chaka or his son?
I don't see BP as part of Cap 3 even if he's not announced for TBA 2017 (which I think will go to a solo flick of Carol Danvers).
Wait, if the writers say the villain will be 1950's Cap/Burnside, how do you then say the villain will be any of those guys? Also, if you've seen Strucker, you should probably know why HYDRA won't be the bad guy for anyone ever again. But even if they were, HYDRA attacking Wakanda in ancient or modern times makes abundant sense. Off the top of the head: Klaw hires William Burnside to attack Wakanda, promises him a Vibranium shield. Fun for the whole family.
So you would rather BP get crammed into a movie as a new bit player, than get his own movie which later gets folded into Avengers 3?
I'm just sayin'. I'd rather wait.
I don't think that's the choice, Marvel is waiting for a hot director to come with an idea they love that solves their Wakanda problem (whether we believe it's a problem or not). So it's more, do you want BP to be the co-star of Cap 3, or do you want to wait until Phase 4 for a Black Panther movie? Where he still might be a co-star if they haven't figured it out?
I finally watched Man of Steel this week. It is bugging me more and more at how "difficult" it is to Black Panther. Here we have Superman. A white guy from a planet full of highly intelligent and advanced white people. He is the last of his race, and he gets sent to a planet that will make him a god. He just so happens to land in the whitest part of the country, and he's raised by two white ass parents that teach him the true way of America, god, and any other ******** that makes him this great guy. Nobody complains about this at all. No one thinks, "What the hell? Why didn't he land in Brazil or something? Why are there no non-white Kryptonians?" Nope. Everyone just accepts it.
When it comes time for a man from a fictional country that is technologically advanced with access to the world's only reserve of a precious resource we hear, "Well that's silly. How are they going to have that in Africa? It's not realistic, bro. Can we take away all of their riches or something? Maybe make Black Panther have no powers at all, and he could be like this guy that could fight good and stuff at a level way lower than Captain America. Amirite?"
**** that noise. I just saw Winter Soldier, and there's far too much potential to leave Black Panther on the table. Too many great things are happening in the Marvel movies, and it would be a shame that we don't get to see a kick ass character and his people because people conveniently have issues with fictional power once it is in the hands of a nation of people like Wakanda. Marvel needs BP to be a part of this greatness before it's too late. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are some meh ass Avengers, and the aftermath of Winter Soldier would much better be served if T'Challa stepped in the picture to help deal with Ultron.
/rant after seeing movies with annoying teens
A) You're comparing apples to oranges. Kal-El isn't from a super advanced country hidden in North America who are still there and somehow irrelevant to modern society. That wouldn't go over well. Black Panther isn't from an alien planet of black people that were tragically destroyed and he was then raised by average Americans. That would be as easy to adapt as Superman or Thor (which weren't actually very easy), but people would scream bloody murder about faithfulness to the source material. The fact that Krypton only lasts 15 minutes and then essentially becomes the bad guy makes it a lot easier.
B) No one complains about Superman, but for a long time, no one cared about Superman. They thought it was too convenient/easy good. And this is with a character that has 70+ years of love, and is a pop culture icon. That's what could happen with Panther if the setting is not compelling. No one will complain, they just won't bother, or, like Superman, make jokes about how he sucks compared to Batman.
C) You shouldn't down other characters, like BP, SW is a classic Avenger, and for good reason. Quicksilver is a tagalong with her, as it should be.
D) There's nothing convenient about not being able to adapt what is essentially a black power statement into something that everyone can appreciate just as much. Wakanda is the idea of 'Without Western Imperialism, black people would be superior in every way.' And that's some sensitive noise that doesn't float well with the MCU target demos. Compare with the subtext of Krypton which is basically: science sucks, tragedy happens even to the best, something most people can identify with easily.
E) Though they haven't said as much, the other challenge I believe Marvel has is: how does a
BP film improve upon the potential in the MCU, as opposed to just cash in on the potential others have made? Dr. Strange, even Guardians of the Galaxy expand the universe and add potential in terms of scope and type of events and effects. It would be almost impossible not to do. But it's easy, almost natural, to make a BP film that is pretty much just like a Cap film but with different characters: political storylines, an acrobatic martial arts leader paragon type hero, and some gadgets like what we've seen in the Iron Man films.
Now, this *is* connected to race, but the racial discrimination isn't happening in 2014. This is based on the 1960s/1970s, when not being a white male was considered adding something interesting to the universe, whereas now it's not, as well as the 1990s/2000s when having white male characters take the storylines/uniqueness of non-white males was happening. As such, it's previous prejudice which has brought us to a place where the things Black Panther is most famous for are already being done and will continue to be done by others.
So if there's something to rail against, rail against that:
1) Why did Marvel allow Wakanda to be adapted into little more than a black power statement?
2) Why did Marvel give Captain America the acrobatic fighting style that belongs to BP?
3) Why did Marvel give Tony Stark a bunch of gadgets outside of his Iron Man suit, and the world politics storylines that belong to BP?
4) Why are Hudlin, Kirby and Priest the only ones who have ever developed this character's world? Isn't this one of Marvel's biggest black characters? Is there no one else who wanted to work on BP ever? Was Monica Rambeau being nearly a classic Avenger considered some sort of replacement for T'Challa.
It's a mess out there, but still, ignoring the problem doesn't help fix the problem.
There were black and Asian Asgardians in the Thor films.
An advanced African country of black people isn't really a problem. Portraying them as isolationists without coming across as ass***** is the bigger issue. As long as they stay away from the 'we have the cure for cancer but we aren't going to give it to' you type stuff they should be fine.
I agree, but I also think it all comes together. Even if you don't say they have the cure for cancer, you're showing them to be a world super power, that hasn't gotten involved in any world conflicts, for good or ill. You can gloss over that, but fridge logic still makes them asses. And if you don't make them people who have the solutions to the world's problems but don't share, then you're neutering Wakanda from what it is in the comics.
Plus even if you make them not jerks, that's not a reason for the audience to care about them. And part of what motivates T'Challa is Wakanda. So what happens if you have a thing that's supposed to motivate the hero but the audience doesn't care about it? You have a poor film, basically, or at least a poorly received one.
So how do you make Wakanda someone the audience cares about even though Wakanda wouldn't care about the audience if it were real?
So it's not as simply as not saying (or implying) 'we have the cure for cancer.' That's just to enter the battlefield.
