EVERYTHING Black Panther - Part 2

[Stringer]

Don't forget Two Can Play That Game...

Don't forget The Brothers.

 

[RockSP]

Don't forget Two Can Play That Game...

I was trying to...

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Don't forget The Brothers.

Can't believe I forgot that one. Good call.

I was trying to...

Oh, c'mon. I liked it!

 

[terry78]

He's in a lot of Tyler Perry type stuff that's all. Elba did his Perry stint for one film and left it alone.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

They could get a good, younger, charismatic, black actor for BP and surround him with known, quality actors instead of Morris. Then target the black demographic aggressively get some good buzz going. Just anyone but Chestnut lol. The movie will be DOA if they go that route.

He's most likely going to be in Avengers 2 first anyway, there's no way the movie would be DOA coming off of that giant no matter who is cast in the role.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Hell yes!

Chestnut would make a better Luke Cage.

Exactly my thoughts!

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

He's most likely going to be in Avengers 2 first anyway, there's no way the movie would be DOA coming off of that giant no matter who is cast in the role.

Exactly. That's why Hank Pym should be in TA2 before Ant-Man.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I didn't say the people you named were unknowns, just that they weren't super popular. No one went to see Avengers because of Ruffalo or Renner. And yes, if they can cast an unknown for Thor they could do the same for BP.

Your direct words were: "Eh, who knows. No one they've cast in their other movies was super popular. Hemsworth was unknown to most people."

By uttering "popular" and "unknown" in the same response, clearly you draw a parallel between the two. Regardless, I listed plenty of popular names who've been in the MCU already.

The point is they won't have to cast an unknown, particularly from a budget stand point because this movie will not feature your scattered few A-list black actors as the lead. Terry already illustrated this. Yet, there a few who've been around a bit who are recognizable names.

The bold part could be said for just about every black actor within a certain age range.

Yes, but not every black actor within a certain age range meets some of the conditions Chestnut brings to the table.

Even saying he's "popular" among "most" black people is going too far. People my age remember him from Boyz N The Hood and The Best Man. Younger black people probably give less than a damn about him.

Ahhh so you polled all the youngins. Got it.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I still can't believe "Malibu's Most Wanted" ever got greenlit. I shake my head at Hollywood and the money they waste sometimes.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I still can't believe "Malibu's Most Wanted" ever got greenlit. I shake my head at Hollywood and the money they waste sometimes.

You and me both. Did you see Son of the Mask? For your sake, I hope you didn't.

 

[Rock Sexton]

He's most likely going to be in Avengers 2 first anyway, there's no way the movie would be DOA coming off of that giant no matter who is cast in the role.

Bingo.

Marvel scored unbelievable clout with the Avengers. I'm getting a sense that IM3 is going to more than continue that.

 

[Rock Sexton]

You and me both. Did you see Son of the Mask? For your sake, I hope you didn't.

Oh God no.

But I made up for it with "When Harry Met Lloyd" LOL.

Dunno WTF I was thinking. At least I didn't go to the theater to see it though.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Hollywood has relentlessly raped all of us, at least once.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Have anyone of you ever seen Superbabies? It's honestly unwatchable.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/super_babies_baby_geniuses_2/

 

[RockSP]

Your direct words were: "Eh, who knows. No one they've cast in their other movies was super popular. Hemsworth was unknown to most people."

By uttering "popular" and "unknown" in the same response, clearly you draw a parallel between the two.

No, clearly you drew that parallel. To (unnecessarily & ridiculously) break it down:

#1: You implied that the popularity of the actor would factor into who they cast. I said "who knows", because to me popularity didn't seem to factor into their previous casting decisions of a lead character. Iron Man is what revived RDJ's career, so it's not like he was so "popular" at the time. Evans...nuff said.

#2: I further went to say that they might even go for an unknown like they did with Hemsworth.

Yes, but not every black actor within a certain age range meets some of the conditions Chestnut brings to the table.

Obviously we disagree that Chestnut brings so much to the table.

Ahhh so you polled all the youngins. Got it.

Yup. Just like you polled what all women like. Also, I noticed you didn't ask Terry if he polled all of the black moviegoing crowd when he said how insanely popular Chestnut is.

 

[blalex620]

This is my feeling as well. What is RDJ's contract status with Marvel/Disney?

And didn't I read somewhere that members will be coming and going during the course of these movies, just like in the Avengers comics?

Shane Black just did an interview saying it wouldn't be a stretch to see an IM4 or even IM5 with RDJ.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Have anyone of you ever seen Superbabies? It's honestly unwatchable.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/super_babies_baby_geniuses_2/

Oh god, no. I've seen Baby Geniuses though. Loved it when I was a kid... t:

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Oh god, no. I've seen Baby Geniuses though. Loved it when I was a kid... t:

I never liked Baby Geniuses, it was annoying to me, but not really that bad. This movie on the other hand was the worst movie I've ever seen.

 

[tamron]

Chestnut would make a much better Cage (though Henry Simmons would be even better).

If Panther is a possibility for Avengers 2, give his history in the Whedonverse, I'm surprised Joss isn't after Ejiofor.

All that said, if Chestnut isn't too old for their version of T'Challa, they should go get Djimon Hounsou. Tongayi Chirisa is still my guy if we were blessed with a full trilogy, but if the character is just dropping in already with the mantle and in his prime, Hounsou can still deliver, imho.

 

[OnTheAir]

Shane Black just did an interview saying it wouldn't be a stretch to see an IM4 or even IM5 with RDJ.

Oh, I'm sure Downey would be more than happy to continue in the role. He seems to enjoy playing Stark and comes across as grateful for the revitalization that the character has provided his career. I was just wondering if there had been an official announcement about a contract extension that I'm not remembering.

 

[blalex620]

Oh, I'm sure Downey would be more than happy to continue in the role. He seems to enjoy playing Stark and comes across as grateful for the revitalization that the character has provided his career. I was just wondering if there had been an official announcement about a contract extension that I'm not remembering.

In that case no there hasn't been an official announcement of a contract extension just everyone saying pretty much RDJ isn't leaving the role right now

 

[Moridin]

Agreed on all points...a Shakespearean actor who is the son of Nigerian parents. He's in his mid 30s, so there is still some time to invest in the role for more than one appearance. In my opinion, he's the ideal candidate.

Plus, he's got an in via Whedon (Serenity).

I don't think an A-Lister is that important. There is always the trend of getting bigger names in supporting roles.

I think Marvel would be more intrested in getting the right person for the role.

This^. Get the right guy/girl for the part, cast the big names around them.

Is Hemsworth's casting going to be the crown jewel of that argument every time?

Yes, because it's true.

People knew who RDJ was, but the guy had a rocky private life. Chris Evans was not an unknown. Neither were Edward Norton, Mark Ruffalo, Scarjo, SLJ, and Jeremy Renner.

To say RDJ had a rocky private life is an understatment. He was by no means a "safe", cast and it was IM that made him a star.
Evans wasn't unknown but he was far from well known let alone an A-lister.

I'll give you Norton. Ruffalo was semi-well known at best. Scarlett, Renner & Jackson weren't the title characters in a solo film.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Yes, because it's true.

It absolutely isn't true. RDJ's and Evans had far more work in movies (particularly American movies) than Hemsworth. They also had reputations, mostly not so flattering (Evans the wisecracking pretty boy and RDJ the addict).

To say RDJ had a rocky private life is an understatment. He was by no means a "safe", cast and it was IM that made him a star.
Evans wasn't unknown but he was far from well known let alone an A-lister.

The argument isn't about "safe" ...... the argument is about the name recognition. Out of the entire cast we've had of the immediate members, Hemsworth was by far and away the least known among American audiences and somebody with a much shorter resume.

I'll give you Norton. Ruffalo was semi-well known at best. Scarlett, Renner & Jackson weren't the title characters in a solo film.

There was never any distinction made about leads.

 

[Symbiotic]

Soooo...Chestnut says he's not in talks. Just cast Snipes and get on with it.

 

[RockSP]

It absolutely isn't true. RDJ's and Evans had far more work in movies (particularly American movies) than Hemsworth. They also had reputations, mostly not so flattering (Evans the wisecracking pretty boy and RDJ the addict).

What does any of that have to do with Hemsworth being an unknown?

There was never any distinction made about leads.

We were talking about the potential lead in a Black Panther movie, and comparing it to the other marvel movies. It goes without saying that the leads were the subject.