EVERYTHING Black Panther - Part 4

[bubbadoom]

If Monica appears anywhere, it'd probably be in a Captain (Ms) Marvel movie. I feel she'd fit better working with Carol, than BP.



Hell no! T'Challa needs an African sounding voice, I'd hate for him to have any other type of accent.

Well, he did go to Oxford and perhaps even learned English there - so some hint of such an accent would not be out of the question. As long as he does not sound "American" ...

 

[tamron]

Can't think of another African Born actor who would play T'Challa.

Tongayi Chirisa. He's from Zimbabwe.

I know he's a long shot, but I'm gonna keep banging that drum. He's as good a fit for T'Challa as Hemsworth was for Thor.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Tongayi Chirisa. He's from Zimbabwe.

I know he's a long shot, but I'm gonna keep banging that drum. He's as good a fit for T'Challa as Hemsworth was for Thor.

I found my third choice for T'Challa.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Saw 12 Years a Slave the other day and just re-watched Redbelt now; yeah, Chiwetel all the way for me.

 

[Silvermoth]

Tongayi Chirisa. He's from Zimbabwe.

I know he's a long shot, but I'm gonna keep banging that drum. He's as good a fit for T'Challa as Hemsworth was for Thor.

He's quite good looking. I haven't seen him before but I hadn't seen tom Hiddleston before and he turned out really well.

 

[Gr0oT]

Being as I feel Priest's Panther would be the best adapted to the screen I felt the need to share this as soon as I saw it.

I'm sure many have seen this before being as it is over 5 years old, but it makes for a good read despite its length, easy for me to say I want a Priest adaptation, but this guy puts my feelings to words quite nicely.

Unfortunately because of how safe Marvel Studios plays it we'd be much more likely to get Hudlin's version.

Oh and if the above pictured man can act then yes, he has a great look for T'Challa.

 

[DrCosmic]

Ouch.

I think there's a balance to strike between Hudlin's cool archKing and Priest's more conflicted character. I don't think Priest's Panther should be treated like it is all of the best things about BP in his history. Take the Priest politics and philosophy, sure, but don't leave the Hudlin swag, or more importantly, accessibility. There's a baby in that bathwater, no matter how dirty it is. And while you're at it, don't forget Kirby's fantasticness or McGregor's raw emotion. Those are all things a wildly successful BP film would need as well.

 

[E-Man]

I'm glad that post pointed out how silly it was for Wakandans to yell out Amandla. Wakanda is in eastern Africa, and sometimes has been placed in west Africa. It's nowhere near South Africa, and it's a whole different country. BP talking to Mandela was cool because it showed that the heads of state talk to each other in the Marvel U. But taking their slogan? That doesn't make sense. Amandla is a chant made by a disenfranchised people to take power back from the evil government. Wakanda is so well off that it just didn't make sense to see them chanting that.

 

[metaphysician]

I seriously doubt Marvel Studios views Hudlin, and is almost laughably blatant racist views, as being a 'safe choice'.

 

[Gr0oT]

Who knows what approach Hollywood execs will make when trying to tender a "black movie" to predominantly white audiences.

Obviously Hudlin thought his BP was hip.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Who knows what approach Hollywood execs will make when trying to tender a "black movie" to predominantly white audiences.

Marvel's approach is simple, bring in this guy:

He needs something to do in between Age of Ultron and Avengers 3 (if he survives), which hasn't been the case thus far as the character is nowhere to be seen after Avengers and won't be seen again until Avengers 2. He would have a larger role in this film, about as much screentime as James Rhodes in the Iron Man movies. If I was casting BP, I would put Clint Barton in as a replacement for Everett Ross. We've already seen him in the MCU, so there would be no need to introduce him.

 

[Red Mask]

I'm glad that post pointed out how silly it was for Wakandans to yell out Amandla. Wakanda is in eastern Africa, and sometimes has been placed in west Africa. It's nowhere near South Africa, and it's a whole different country. BP talking to Mandela was cool because it showed that the heads of state talk to each other in the Marvel U. But taking their slogan? That doesn't make sense. Amandla is a chant made by a disenfranchised people to take power back from the evil government. Wakanda is so well off that it just didn't make sense to see them chanting that.

Wakanda is a fictional country. Each author tries to appropriate aspects of different African cultures to suit their narratives.

Given Ethiopia's independent history, I can understand how writers would want to leech off from that to make Wakanda look cool. But as time passed by Ethiopia's proximity lost its luster. So choosing aspects of South Africa, after the end of apartheid, brings in new iconography of black freedom.

 

[Silvermoth]

I don't think audiences are as anti black as people think. If a chance was given and the script was good yeah black panther would do really well.

I'm just curious about the director. He or she would need to be perfect

 

[E-Man]

Wakanda is a fictional country. Each author tries to appropriate aspects of different African cultures to suit their narratives.

Given Ethiopia's independent history, I can understand how writers would want to leech off from that to make Wakanda look cool. But as time passed by Ethiopia's proximity lost its luster. So choosing aspects of South Africa, after the end of apartheid, brings in new iconography of black freedom.

But why would Wakanda shout, "power to the people," when their history doesn't even suggest something similar to that? I know the country is fake, but they should try to make things make more sense if they're going to use real world slogans. He could have at least told a small anecdote that explained that Wakanda pushed for an end to Apartheid or something similar, but it just came across as if it's okay for them to use the same slogan since they're both African countries. There wasn't much thought put into it, but that's Hudlin's run in a nutshell.

 

[DrCosmic]

I think Hudlin followed "the rule of cool" a lot. There are a lot of things that failed fridge logic, but it felt right at the time, and doing that does take thought, just not political thought. So when a character clashes with reality, do we get rid of something that their battle cry because it doesn't make sense? We don't for anyone else. We explain the coolness in a sensible way. We find a way to make "Clobberin time" and "Flame on" work. To me, Black Panther with a familiar African battle cry that in one word says what the character represents in reality is a thing like that.

I would go further with the word myself, I would have it's meaning explained in the movie in an emotional moment, when BP is at his least, and have someone give him the speech/idea he gave to the little boy in the first episode of the cartoon "There is no feat I am capable of that you cannot also accomplish." Power to the people. They should nod to Mandela as well in that same sequence.

Edit: Come to think of it, that is actually what Hudlin did, so perhaps "Amandla" does pass fridge logic. We may not like it, but it actually does make sense.

I don't think audiences are as anti black as people think. If a chance was given and the script was good yeah black panther would do really well.

I'm just curious about the director. He or she would need to be perfect

I don't think BP would need a director any better than the other MCU films have had. They simply have to appreciate the character, and have an awareness of nuances of race. As for the audience, they're not anti-black, they're just not drawn to all black casts. If BP was the only film out, it'd be in the bag, but when you put this all black cast in an action film against a diverse cast in an action film, more people would be drawn to the diverse cast, all other things being equal. By doing an all black cast for $150M, you're basically asking the audience to say "Forget the big Channing Tatum and Lawrence Fishburne summer action movie, I want to see Black Panther with David Oyelowo and Naomie Harris!"

EDIT: But fortunately, there's an easy fix for this "problem:"

 

[DrCosmic]

Marvel's approach is simple, bring in this guy:

He needs something to do in between Age of Ultron and Avengers 3 (if he survives), which hasn't been the case thus far as the character is nowhere to be seen after Avengers and won't be seen again until Avengers 2. He would have a larger role in this film, about as much screentime as James Rhodes in the Iron Man movies. If I was casting BP, I would put Clint Barton in as a replacement for Everett Ross. We've already seen him in the MCU, so there would be no need to introduce him.

Totally agreed. It really does solve the problem completely. You don't need to give him a huge part, because people already want to see him and will be glad for him to be there. He already has fans, not just comic book fans, but people that liked him in Avengers, or people that just like everything Avengers.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Totally agreed. It really does solve the problem completely. You don't need to give him a huge part, because people already want to see him and will be glad for him to be there. He already has fans, not just comic book fans, but people that liked him in Avengers, or people that just like everything Avengers.

Have him be in the trailer to bring in the mainstream audience.

 

[Red Mask]

But why would Wakanda shout, "power to the people," when their history doesn't even suggest something similar to that? I know the country is fake, but they should try to make things make more sense if they're going to use real world slogans. He could have at least told a small anecdote that explained that Wakanda pushed for an end to Apartheid or something similar, but it just came across as if it's okay for them to use the same slogan since they're both African countries. There wasn't much thought put into it, but that's Hudlin's run in a nutshell.

I doubt most readers would know that. As long as it evokes some passion from the readers it serves it purpose. It's not like there are any known Ethiopian chants to be used.

 

[Endeavor]

I fell in love with Lupita last night. Somebody get her a part in Black Panther.
Hell get her in any Marvel movie, I don't care, just get her.

 

[Derrick9592]

I would love for her to get any role in the MCU. She's talented and goregous. :heart: She definitely stood out to me in 12 Years a Slave.

 

[Silvermoth]

I fell in love with Lupita last night. Somebody get her a part in Black Panther.
Hell get her in any Marvel movie, I don't care, just get her.

I immediately thought of Storm when I first saw her

 

[cph9fa]

I may be way off base here, but when I watched Ender's Game, I thought the one soldier (Nonso Anozie) would make a good Wakandan of some sort. I'm not really familiar enough with Black Panther and his supporting characters, though.

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

A name I thought would be interesting and under the radar: Mike Colter.

He's currently in American Horror Story Coven, but had roles in MIB3, The Following, The Good Wife and Zero Dark Thirty.

If Marvel wants to kee their same MO, he would fit as T'Challa, get a big name star as T'Chaka and some recognizable actors as their council and family, throw in a Christoph Waltz as Claw and bring in Hawkeye, as mentioned above, and you have a film. Tie it in with Vibranium and an Infinity Gem and everyone's happy.

Sorry, on mobile, couldn't add a picture of him.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Stumbled across this - Chiwetel as T'Challa:-

Cant stress enough just how much the guys ticks all the boxes on this one. Has the look down pat and [in both Serenity and Redbelt] showed just how convincing at on screen hand to hand he looks. We all know about his acting talent too.

 

[KDM1986]

I'll be so so happy if Black Panther is in Age of Ultron.

If i had it my way, Black Widow and Hawkeye would have small roles to make room for Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Black Panther and Vision

I agree with being ecstatic if Black Panther is in AOU. But I'm not down with Hawkeye taking a back seat. Out of all the avengers he is the one we have spent the least amount of time with. If anyone takes a backseat it should be Nick Fury, Black Widow, Captain America and Thor. Let Iron Man, Hulk, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and War Machine take center stage this time.