EVERYTHING Black Panther - Part 4

[Saitou Hajime]

I want all the goodies from the Priest run: vibranium suit, anti-metal claws, energy dagger, and especially the kimoyo card (which T'Challa can customize into the communicards for the team in Avengers 3).

 

[Dr. Evil]

Another black superhero added to MCU, albeit on the TV side:

http://marvel.com/news/tv/2014/1/23/21812/deathlok_sets_his_sights_on_marvels_agents_of_shield

 

[metaphysician]

So what feats/gadgets do you guys expect to see T'Challa use in a BP film?

Obviously epic martial arts skills, but what on the tech front? On the fly hacking? Satellite lasers? Nanotech spores that nullify enemy abilities? All of the above? What say you?

Stick with the basics largely. Vibranium weave in the costume, giving great protection from attack. Boots that let him walk silently and run up walls. Claws in his gloves. Some equivalent of the "energy knives", though that might need some work ( possibly separated into an energy-based short range cutting attack, and physical thrown blades ).

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Am I just not "thinking outside the box" enough in feeling that the presentation of BP from EMH hits almost all the bullet points of the character needed for a feature film?

 

[DrCosmic]

As far as physically and thematically, it's pretty spot on. I think emotionally, the character is too distant. He is designed to not be the focus, to be mysterious and unreadable. When Secret Invasion goes down, he does the awesome smart thing, he just walks away... and then we don't see him for most of the season. That's not quite right for something centering on him, we need an angle that puts us behind his eyes, which means emotionally, he'd be different.

 

[E-Man]

I agree with what's been said here, and I'd like to add that it would be cool to see what happened in EMH where he could shape the energy daggers into the shape of a bo. That was a pretty cool idea that Night Thrasher used in Kevin Grievoiux's New Warriors run from a few years back. They also used Mr. Terrific's "power" of being invisible to cameras. Yost is pretty sly using that for EMH. lol

At some point I also want to see the power glove that T'Challa has used over the years. He had some when he fought Klaw during the 70's where these yellow vibranium gloves would absorb the sound energy that Klaw was using. He would then redirect it back with some nice power. Priest also had him use it on Iron Man during his run, and I believe that he used a similar glove in the 80s. Here's a look at the one he used against Iron Man.

 

[Spider-Kurt!]

I want all the goodies from the Priest run: vibranium suit, anti-metal claws, energy dagger, and especially the kimoyo card (which T'Challa can customize into the communicards for the team in Avengers 3).

Agreed! I think that when they finally put the Black Panther in a movie,solo or in the Avengers or both, that Priest's version will be a huge influence.

 

[Paradox1]

I rather they keep it simple with BP tech. His suit is already made of vibranium which makes him nearly indestructible. Physically he's match for Captain America and the intellect on par with Tony Stark. Where he would need tech is in speed like in a jet or car of some sorts.

 

[DrCosmic]

It would be nice to see Black Panther bring the hoverbikes and Quinjet to the Avengers.

 

[Chance Jackson]

I know this isn't a comic design but man do I really like it, especially the sleeved variation. It's a great way to get a mask that covers the face while leaving enough of the actor's face visible on screen. The Benin-neck ring inspired face guard is just a really creative touch to me, I think it adds the gold to the suit, breaking up the black, but not being gaudy, serving a functional purpose.

I'm glad you like it it's the design I like the most but I kind of want to move it in an almost heretical direction by adding a King Jaffe Joffer like Lion head and mane accessory on the right side to further break up the black.

Note: Panther is the family that the big cats belong to namely Lions, Tigers, Jaguars and Leopards(Black Panthers are the last two with melanism) that said T'challa is the black panther and theme already represents that in so many ways so I think adding the king of the jungle to his design would make thing more interesting visually

 

[Chance Jackson]

fantasy casting- who could play Hunter the 'white wolf'?

Hunter is older than T'Challa, so this opens up the door for a lot of people. It doesn't necessarily have to be someone older than whoever is cast as BP, but it should be someone that can carry the presence of an older brother that sometimes talks down to the younger brother. Matthew Rhys from the Americans could be pretty good.

If we go with my idea of adding in Hawkeye with or in place of Ross do you think it would be ok to race lift Hunter as hispanic/latino or even just swap the name out entirely and amalgamate the character with one of the White Tiger characters since there is no hispanic/latino representation in the MCU outside of the one Shield agent from Thor 1/Item 47/AoS: The Hub

 

[KDM1986]

I'm really hoping we get a tease of Black Panther in Age of Ultron. It would be great to see him, Dr Strange, and Ant-man spearhead phase 3.

 

[DrCosmic]

If we go with my idea of adding in Hawkeye with or in place of Ross do you think it would be ok to race lift Hunter as hispanic/latino or even just swap the name out entirely and amalgamate the character with one of the White Tiger characters since there is no hispanic/latino representation in the MCU outside of the one Shield agent from Thor 1/Item 47/AoS: The Hub

White Wolf = White Tiger? Interesting... not sure how I feel about that, but definitely interesting.

 

[Silvermoth]

I'm really hoping we get a tease of Black Panther in Age of Ultron. It would be great to see him, Dr Strange, and Ant-man spearhead phase 3.

It is interesting that they're filming in South Africa isn't it? I wonder if they're setting up black panther for phase 3 definitively?

I actually was planning a trip to South Africa until recently. I still want to go there, I just have some other things I want to plan first

 

[Dr. Evil]

It is interesting that they're filming in South Africa isn't it? I wonder if they're setting up black panther for phase 3 definitively?

I actually was planning a trip to South Africa until recently. I still want to go there, I just have some other things I want to plan first

They are only shooting action scenes in South Africa, so it may have nothing to do with Wakanda.

I'm not sure how Joss feels about Black Panther.

 

[E-Man]

If we go with my idea of adding in Hawkeye with or in place of Ross do you think it would be ok to race lift Hunter as hispanic/latino or even just swap the name out entirely and amalgamate the character with one of the White Tiger characters since there is no hispanic/latino representation in the MCU outside of the one Shield agent from Thor 1/Item 47/AoS: The Hub

I'm not a fan of race swapping, but the idea of using White Tiger as White Wolf wouldn't be so bad. I would love to see them have White Tiger show up somewhere, and having him as an agent or rival of the White Wolf could make sense. The Panther god and the White Tiger god could either be the same deity or rival deities. I didn't like that Marvel made the Panther god the Egyptian god Bast, but now that it's happened it could link the Black Panther and White Tiger mythos nicely.

 

[E-Man]

Oh yeah. I completely forgot about the White Tiger thing with Kasper Cole. Maybe they could change Hunter to a hispanic that becomes the White Tiger instead of White Wolf. The potential is already there.

 

[DrCosmic]

What is T'Challa arc?

This is partially inspired by the conversation we had in the Captain Marvel thread, but what is the theme/arc of T'Challa's first film? For Iron Man he turned from a *****ebag treating the world as his plaything into someone who took personal responsibility for his actions, to the point of publicly admitting he was Iron Man. Thor turned from a bratty berserker into a humble noble warrior. Captain America turned from a useless weakling/performer into a fearless leader of men. The Incredible Hulk didn't really have an arc, so... there's that.

What about Black Panther, though? Who is he at the start of the film vs the middle vs the end. Is he the same guy? Is he a static character surrounded by dynamic characters to make the story interesting? If not, what's wrong with Black Panther at the beginning of the film that isn't at the end.

And that in turn informs the theme and villains, as you likely know.

 

[E-Man]

I would like for T'Challa's arc to be all about him finding why he is worthy of being king. One theme throughout could be the common phrase "heavy is the head that wears the crown." This is where T'Chaka would shine because throughout the film we could get flashbacks of T'Chaka teaching young T'Challa about being a king. I'm thinking that the movie should be about a man who has to fill in some great shoes to fill, and we join him as he goes about doing it.

I don't see T'Challa as being perfect, but I wouldn't want to see him as being torn down to be built back up like Thor or Iron Man. He should be like Cap in the sense that he's a likable guy with some heavy burdens on his shoulders, and we get to rise to the occasion with him.

Klaw would fit into this easily. He is easy to hate because he slaughters Wakandans while trying to take their vibranium, but he also could be seen as trying to rise to the occasion. He is trying to follow in his family's colonizing footsteps by cracking open the mystery that is Wakanda. If he does that he makes a name for himself, but this kid ****s it all up at the last minute. He tries to reinvent himself to finish the job, and it gives us more reason to root for T'Challa. No one wants to see this imperialist piece of trash succeed, and now we see why the burden of T'Challa is so big because we see Klaw turn into a monster to try and win Wakanda.

Killmonger witnesses all of this because he has been failed by the "great" T'Chaka. His family and friends were kidnapped by Klaw's people to work as slaves, and he hates the Panther clan because they weren't good enough when he needed them. The T'Challa/Klaw battle in the movie sets up a sequel with Killmonger coming to right the wrong of his childhood.

 

[Chance Jackson]

White Wolf = White Tiger? Interesting... not sure how I feel about that, but definitely interesting.

Cool

Oh yeah. I completely forgot about the White Tiger thing with Kasper Cole. Maybe they could change Hunter to a hispanic that becomes the White Tiger instead of White Wolf. The potential is already there.

This is what I'm thinking

We all know A2:AoU will be filmed in south Africa, what do you guys think are the odds that the mid credits stinger will be connected to black panther? I think it 70% likely

 

[Dr. Evil]

Cool

This is what I'm thinking

We all know A2:AoU will be filmed in south Africa, what do you guys think are the odds that the mid credits stinger will be connected to black panther? I think it 70% likely

The reports are that it's nothing more than action sequences.

Honestly, I don't know how Joss feels about the character. If he doesn't like the character, that character probably won't be an Avenger.

 

[RockSP]

Honestly, I don't know how Joss feels about the character. If he doesn't like the character, that character probably won't be an Avenger.

If the marvel studios bigwigs want Panther in an Avengers movie, he'll be there. Whedon wanted Wasp not Black Widow in the first one but that isn't what we got.

 

[DrCosmic]

I would like for T'Challa's arc to be all about him finding why he is worthy of being king. One theme throughout could be the common phrase "heavy is the head that wears the crown." This is where T'Chaka would shine because throughout the film we could get flashbacks of T'Chaka teaching young T'Challa about being a king. I'm thinking that the movie should be about a man who has to fill in some great shoes to fill, and we join him as he goes about doing it.

I don't see T'Challa as being perfect, but I wouldn't want to see him as being torn down to be built back up like Thor or Iron Man. He should be like Cap in the sense that he's a likable guy with some heavy burdens on his shoulders, and we get to rise to the occasion with him.

Klaw would fit into this easily. He is easy to hate because he slaughters Wakandans while trying to take their vibranium, but he also could be seen as trying to rise to the occasion. He is trying to follow in his family's colonizing footsteps by cracking open the mystery that is Wakanda. If he does that he makes a name for himself, but this kid ****s it all up at the last minute. He tries to reinvent himself to finish the job, and it gives us more reason to root for T'Challa. No one wants to see this imperialist piece of trash succeed, and now we see why the burden of T'Challa is so big because we see Klaw turn into a monster to try and win Wakanda.

Killmonger witnesses all of this because he has been failed by the "great" T'Chaka. His family and friends were kidnapped by Klaw's people to work as slaves, and he hates the Panther clan because they weren't good enough when he needed them. The T'Challa/Klaw battle in the movie sets up a sequel with Killmonger coming to right the wrong of his childhood.

Interesting. So does he think he's worthy at the beginning? What's his internal conflict or does he have any?

The reason I ask, is that Captain America has a similar journey to discover his worthiness, but at the beginning he doesn't see himself as worthy, and when someone does, he's skeptical. He accepts a lesser position, even though it conflicts with what he wants to be, he's not convinced he's worthy of that, so he accepts, until his friend's life is on the line. There's lots of internal conflict there. He doesn't just rise to the occasion, he has to face something within himself to do so. He has to learn to stop going along with authorities and actually assert his leadership based on his instincts. It's not just that he's got external burdens, there's something wrong with him personally.

The reason Iron Man and Thor have to be torn down is that they start in positions of extreme power, so to 'grow' they have to shrink first. Steve Rogers doesn't need to be torn down, because he starts as a nobody. In order to not tear down T'Challa, you'd have to start him as a nobody, somehow unaware of his heritage, or else he'd be a static character that doesn't really grow. That's doable, but it should be noted that's different from the Thor, IM and even Captain America. It'd be more like Blade, I think.

When you talk about flashbacks to learning to be a king, somehow I think of Lion King, where the movie doesn't really work unless Simba becomes fundamentally separated from his kingdom.

I do like the set up for Killmonger though, that's clean.

 

[E-Man]

Interesting. So does he think he's worthy at the beginning? What's his internal conflict or does he have any?

The reason I ask, is that Captain America has a similar journey to discover his worthiness, but at the beginning he doesn't see himself as worthy, and when someone does, he's skeptical. He accepts a lesser position, even though it conflicts with what he wants to be, he's not convinced he's worthy of that, so he accepts, until his friend's life is on the line. There's lots of internal conflict there. He doesn't just rise to the occasion, he has to face something within himself to do so. He has to learn to stop going along with authorities and actually assert his leadership based on his instincts. It's not just that he's got external burdens, there's something wrong with him personally.

The reason Iron Man and Thor have to be torn down is that they start in positions of extreme power, so to 'grow' they have to shrink first. Steve Rogers doesn't need to be torn down, because he starts as a nobody. In order to not tear down T'Challa, you'd have to start him as a nobody, somehow unaware of his heritage, or else he'd be a static character that doesn't really grow. That's doable, but it should be noted that's different from the Thor, IM and even Captain America. It'd be more like Blade, I think.

When you talk about flashbacks to learning to be a king, somehow I think of Lion King, where the movie doesn't really work unless Simba becomes fundamentally separated from his kingdom.

I do like the set up for Killmonger though, that's clean.

I think that if they start the movie before he becomes king it would be easier to show why he feels a lot of pressure stepping into the shoes of the king. We could see him on his way to Wakanda with Taku or W'Kabi, and he could be expressing how he wants to live up to T'Chaka but may not be worthy. It's hard to tear T'Challa down because he's really humble, so I can't see a storyline where he loses it all to show why it's important to him. He knows how important Wakanda is to his family's legacy, and he wouldn't take that lightly. Instead I would like to see the burden of him out thinking himself at times, and that leads to mistakes. For him if he makes a mistake it could really cause a lot of pain to many people, so that tightrope could be really interesting to see if they write it correctly.

In terms of relating to the audience we can feel for him as a lot of us have parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc. who set really huge examples that we want to live up to. The challenge is making T'Challa relatable without ruining what the character is all about. He's a guy who plans for everything, doesn't take pride in much besides his people, and he's already a bad ass fighter before he gains the Panther powers. Setting a guy up like that could be hard, but I think that they could make him really sympathetic by showing how he has pressure from all sides. His adopted brother constantly reminds him of their father's greatness, and he's uber pissed because his secret police was exiled and disbanded in T'Challa's first act as king. He's got to walk a fine line between keeping 10 different tribes of Wakanda happy or else they'll start a war. He still hasn't found his father's killer yet, so Uncle S'Yan keeps bothering him about it. He can be sympathetic because a lot of us feel as though we're being pulled each and every way by the world.

I don't think it would be feasible to see him not knowing that he's the heir to the Black Panther. Wakanda is too tight knit with their borders to let their prince get kidnapped without finding him, and it would make Wakanda look bad for them to have that happen. They wouldn't look so technologically advanced if they could lose the golden boy like that. If they want to separate him from Wakanda to "grow" him then they could have him stateside to meet with the U.N. when Klaw attacks or something like that.

All this talk of the movie really makes me hope that they'll eventually do a BP movie. I've gotten most of what I reasonably want from comics besides a Black Panther movie. Don't mess this up for me, Marvel. I'd be a sad panda, and we don't like sad pandas.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I think Marvel will get BP correct depending upon who is involved.

*waits for the Black Blog sites to get into a rage and fury (no pun intended) if a white screenwriter and white director are announced for this film*