Fan Review Thread SPOILERS INSIDE - Part 2

[Feenix]

I shouldn't be surprised of this type of response. Another day on the Hype.

Nice condescending attitude.

PS. Some people don't like Superman or Zod. Get over it.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think we can all agree comic movies regardless of brand have dropped the villain ball at times. One thing ill say tho is "thats how he was in the comics" is no excuse for a one dimensional villain. They should strive to be better.

normally i agree.. but Skull would have to be completely recreated for us to understand that... all Nazi's in film are essentially that way... I think he was portrayed perfectly. I think people just wanted to see him a little more ruthless.. but he's a very pulpy villain.. and i thought they did him justice..

now if Pierce ends up being a survived Skull.. then yeah.. people will get what they wanted.....

a great example of this is Doc Ock, they fleshed him out..and changed alot. It made for a good movie character... but it also watered down some traits people realllly loved about ock, and practically morphed him into a different, unfamiliar character.

 

[Feenix]

I read carefully and didn't see anyone "tearing down" Marvel. The poster made a legitimate level headed observation about the marvel films. The films do have weak villians, and no where did he say DC had stronger villains. In his post he didnt say "Marvel teh suck DC rules all!" But that is apparently how you read his post based on your response. Defend the marvel films on their own merits not by tearing down DC or some other comic brand.

He said

"I've had this discussion with Marvel fans before and many if not most admit that the rogues gallery in the Marvel universe, at least the non X-men or Spider-man ones, aren't nearly as rich as they are on the DC side."

He brought in the DC villains, and I shot back.

 

[craigdbfan]

Need I remind people what happens when they start DC vs Marvel bologna. End it now.

 

[Feenix]

Need I remind people what happens when they start DC vs Marvel bologna. End it now.

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[Marvolo]

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Pretty much.

 

[Feenix]

I will say that I can't wait for the DVD to come out. It sounds like the extras are gonna be good.

This may be premature, but does anyone know the ball park release date for it? It seems like DVDs are pumped out a lot sooner than they used to be (8+ months down to 4 or 5).

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, it's good you will decide that after a 3rd viewing and giving Marvel more money.

Despite what you think, I am a Marvel fan, I have seen every MCU movie at least twice at the cinema, so why would this bother me?

Now that would have been great.

I was really unhappy Loki was basically the one who took Kurse out. It reminded me of IM and the fact that he hasn't taken out a single villain on his own yet, which is ridiculous.

Stane - Pepper blows the reactor. If she didn't do that Tony would have lost. Stane had him dead to rights.
Vanko - He needed War Machine's help.
Hammer - Black Widow and once again Pepper dealt with him
Pierce Mandarin - Pepper for the third time takes care of the villain.

I'm hoping Black Widow and or Falcon don't end up taking out Winter Soldier or whatever other villains they may have in the film. Out of the solo films so far, only TIH and the first Thor had the heroes take care of the problem themselves.

Avengers and Guardians are the exceptions because they are team films.

I'm going to bring my parents and sister to see this before it's out of the theaters, but if it wasn't for them, I think I would wait for Blu-ray to watch this again. I definitely did not hate the film by any means, but there were a lot of missed opportunities.

Yeah, a combination of them both taking Kurse out would have both been great and shown what a threat Kurse was even more so than before. It is a joke that IM has never taken out a villain on his own, and its another annoying thing Marvel seems to be doing.

I definitely agree with the bolded statement. I think my brother wants to see the movie again, so if he does I will go with him, wouldnt leave him on his own and seeing the movie again wouldnt bother me.

 

[Visualiza]

You're the one who called it mediocre. Your basis for calling it that is what? Your personal opinion?

Read the rest of my post instead of cherry-picking the first snippet you take issue with and you'll have your answer. I was quite clear as to why I feel that way.

To the bolded part, I know that, but you're making it sound like you believe it to be an average, mediocre film and that's the way it is. If someone sees it as a masterpiece, that's their prerogative. You have no right and no basis to say otherwise.

Let's not go there...again. Instead of aimlessly talking in circles, why don't you...tell me why you felt it was or wasn't a masterpiece in the first place, so we can have a proper discussion?

He/she apparently needed to point it out to you because if you're aware that it's just your opinion, how can it be puzzling? Do you actually think it's strange that people can have differing opinions?

Another day on the Hype indeed. I don't think I should need to, nor will I bother to, preface everything I say with the disclaimer "In my opinion" just to satisfy those of you who can't seem to come to grips with the concept that my words are my own, and nobody else's.

And to your last point, we all find differences of opinion strange at one level or another; that's why they're called differences, and it fuels debate, which is among the reasons we're all here. If you also can't come to grips with that, then...that's your own problem. Understand that nowhere did I say people shouldn't be permitted to feel one way or another, but enough on that. I made enough debatable points in a fairly lengthy post, so instead of zeroing in on a snippet that's already been taken out of context, how about you actually debate whatever it is you actually disagree with in the first place?

 

[jmc]

He said



He brought in the DC villains, and I shot back.

The topic was about Marvel's villains, I brought up discussions I've had with Marvel fans regarding their villains, you with your insecurities saw it as an attack. Oh and for the record, I'm not a very big fan of Superman.

 

[voyzovrezon]

Yes, Loki is the most popular villain in the MCU by far, and second only to Magneto in the Marvel movies as a whole. And yes, it was inevitable that his sizeable fanbase would want him to return in future movies. But do you do have to do that at the expense of Odin? Odin is the most powerful character in the Thor universe; how they gonna nerf him down to an off-hand off-screen murder by Loki, when Odin could kick Loki's ass all over the Nine Realms and still have time enough and energy to make it home for supper? It's a complete disservice to Odin.

Agreed. I wonder if the next film will fill in the gaps of what transpired between the two. Did Loki kill him? Even in comic fantasy it's hard to believe. Maybe Odin was in the john when Thor approached the trickster Loki on the throne?

 

[DA_Champion]

The topic was about Marvel's villains, I brought up discussions I've had with Marvel fans regarding their villains, you with your insecurities saw it as an attack. Oh and for the record, I'm not a very big fan of Superman.

It is not as though DC films has made great villains, only Christopher Nolan has made great villains. Even Scarecrow is more interesting than Malakeith... but after Nolan the DC villains have been mediocre at best.

But it is still a different policy. If Parallax and Zod were weak, it was due to a lack of execution, a lack of ability. In contrast, Malakeith, Red Skull, etc are weak because there is no interest in making them interesting. Marvel's writers might be perfectly capable of producing great villains, but they are choosing not to. In fact, Whedon himself has helped create many villains more interesting than what we are seeing, like the reavers and wolfram and hart.

 

[craigdbfan]

Odin isn't dead. Money on it.

 

[Visualiza]

Time will tell.

 

[jmc]

Odin isn't dead. Money on it.

I don't mean to get morbid but is there the possibility Marvel ended it due to Anthony Hopkins' age?

 

[Vartha]

I can't see Odin dieing THAT easy. GODS I need to see this lol

 

[Vartha]

I don't mean to get morbid but is there the possibility Marvel ended it due to Anthony Hopkins' age?

You know, I'm HOPING if it's just contract talks Marvel doesn't do something stupid.
I mean Anthony SOUNDS like he loves playing Odin, but I recall in an interview sometime back that he was thinking about retiring from it all.

 

[conan69]

A villian wanting to rule or destroy just for the sake of ruling or destroying = weak storytelling by todays standards. In the comic books of old, we bought that bad guys were evil and wanted to rule and that was that. We also bought that a high school kid could create artificial webbing that would hold up tons of weight in a just a few panels.

But audiences should demand more from their bad guys nowadays.

Having said all that, I think they actually did a decent job with Zod and his motivations. Sure there are holes and contrivances, but I liked the fanatical patriot twist to the character. Zod and Faora were a high point of MoS (which I though was really lacking as well).

I didnt like TDW, but Malekith wasnt really one of the reasons why. I actually enjoyed watching the character onscreen quite a bit.

There needs to be more thought put into why the bad guys do what they do. Magneto is a great example. I think fans would be forgiving of alterations if it serves the story and makes for a better film.

 

[Crimson King]

It is not as though DC films has made great villains, only Christopher Nolan has made great villains. Even Scarecrow is more interesting than Malakeith... but after Nolan the DC villains have been mediocre at best.

But it is still a different policy. If Parallax and Zod were weak, it was due to a lack of execution, a lack of ability. In contrast, Malakeith, Red Skull, etc are weak because there is no interest in making them interesting. Marvel's writers might be perfectly capable of producing great villains, but they are choosing not to. In fact, Whedon himself has helped create many villains more interesting than what we are seeing, like the reavers and wolfram and hart.

I don't follow your logic here. How is Parallax weak because of execution and not writing? And why do you continue to ignore the strong Marvel villains such as Loki, Stane, etc.?

I'm not going to argue that there aren't quite a few stinker villains in the MCU, but it's not like Marvel is alone in this, they're just dominating the superhero film landscape ATM, so they've had more chances to fail. Lizard was awful in TASM. DC seems unable to give Superman anyone decent to face outside of Luthor. Kevin Bacon was kind of terrible in XMFC. In all of these cases, it's not a case of a studio choosing to have a bad villain, it's that the writers and directors and actors aren't doing enough to elevate them.

 

[Marvolo]

The only villain I can say that Ive completely enjoyed and loved and didn't have any issues with (this is just how i feel personally) is Heath Ledger's Joker. No back story besides the lies he tells and a very simple motivation (chaos), but it works for the character and Heath Ledger took the character and elevated him to the nth degree. He's completely insane and a result of our protagonist and has a strong personal bond with our protagonist (a sick twisted love) that you just don't get from many other villains. After Ledger's joker I just haven't found anything that compares. Loki is orbiting in the same ballpark as far as antagonists go, but beyond him I've yet to find a villain I could latch onto like Ledger's Joker. And this goes for DC villains, Marvel Villains, and Fox Marvel villains. I want another villain on that level. I know its possible. And I want to see it.

 

[Human Torch]

I seriously doubt Odin is dead.People are jumping the gun BIG TIME on that one....

 

[Marvolo]

Yeah I seriously doubt they'd kill odin off screen.

 

[Loki882]

No, I'm not. I just don't think Zod is any better of a villain than Malekith.

MOS Zod was a MUCH BETTER villain than Malekith. There is no comparison, Zod wins easily.

 

[Feenix]

MOS Zod was a MUCH BETTER villain than Malekith. There is no comparison, Zod wins easily.

Nah.

 

[Marvolo]

MOS Zod was a MUCH BETTER villain than Malekith. There is no comparison, Zod wins easily.

Ive got to agree with this. Malekith is the second worst villain in the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe imo. Mostly because he is grossly underutilized and criminally one dimensional. He easily could have been an absolute badass and a villain to remember. They really dropped the ball with him. Thor 2 is gonna be a film that frustrates me because its so much potential wasted.