Comics Fans Who Continue to Buy. WHY?

[CConn]

hmm not a bad example. But see, a baseball card series may hold for what? a year or a fixed number of cards (I only collected those when I was really young so I don't remember how it works) but Spidey is an ongoing thing. Odds are that the comics will still be in print long after they shuffle from this mortal coil.

I guess It's just not in me to understand that concept.

Look at it this way...say each of those "teams" you don't like are months and years of issues, and if you don't get those months and years of issues, your collectiion will be complete.

I don't subscribe to the notion myself, but it's hardly difficult to understand. If you're like...Themanofbat and ASM 1-532, could you really stop at 533? Could you really have hundreds and hundreds of issues, but be a few dozen short from completion, from perfection? I know even I couldn't.

 

[pussywillow1972]

don't get me wrong, I don't mean to insult anyone but I just can't grasp the concept of "completing the collection".

I didn't take it as an insult at all.

Only if I needed to. My point was I know I'll sell the collection at some point. There will come a time when I just don't want to read them any more and I stop buying new issues. At that time, it would make sense to sell the collection and get the cash back. The college comment was simply an attempt to show the value of a completed collection.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Although, not everyone collects fer the monetary value. Sure, it's a nice bonus, but otherwise it's not a big factor. Me, I just like knowin' I HAVE the issues. When I buy backissues, as long as it don't look like it was used as toilet paper, I'll buy it in any condition I can get my hands on (fer a reasonable price, of course).

 

[J. J. Jameson]

I still buy. Why? Because Spidey rules. As if stopping buying it is going to change the facts. I just accept, even though I may not agree with it or like it. I could never stop buying a Spidey mag just because I don't like what's happening.

 

[arachnid-guy]

I still buy. Why? Because Spidey rules. As if stopping buying it is going to change the facts. I just accept, even though I may not agree with it or like it. I could never stop buying a Spidey mag just because I don't like what's happening.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

It's principle. We buy spidey because it's spider-man.

'Nuff Said!

 

[savemarvel]

I still buy. Why? Because Spidey rules. As if stopping buying it is going to change the facts. I just accept, even though I may not agree with it or like it. I could never stop buying a Spidey mag just because I don't like what's happening.

I love the battered woman mentality some of you have concerning spider-man. "He will change, i know it, the comic will get better" while the creators constantly spit in your faces with bad storylines and bad editorial decision.

Pretty sad don't you say?

 

[pussywillow1972]

I love the battered woman mentality some of you have concerning spider-man. "He will change, i know it, the comic will get better" while the creators constantly spit in your faces with bad storylines and bad editorial decision.

Pretty sad don't you say?

Not really. It happens all the time. Certain writers, artists, editors, etc. come on a book and it becomes great. After a while they are replaced and the stories may become poor or even just mediocre. After another while those people are replaced and the stories may become good or great again. It's happened with every single title produced since the dawn of comics. Not every writier is good for a given character. Spider-man will get better and eventually he'll get worse. What's wrong with being there to witness it? Those of us who choose to do so should not be ridiculed for doing so any more than those that choose not to collect during the down periods should be ridiculed for their decision.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I love the battered woman mentality some of you have concerning spider-man. "He will change, i know it, the comic will get better" while the creators constantly spit in your faces with bad storylines and bad editorial decision.

Pretty sad don't you say?

That's not what he said though. Maybe you feel like you're being spit in your face, but that's obviously not how that poster feels. And insulting people because you can't understand why they enjoy what they enjoy isn't really going to help matters either.

Not really. It happens all the time. Certain writers, artists, editors, etc. come on a book and it becomes great. After a while they are replaced and the stories may become poor or even just mediocre. After another while those people are replaced and the stories may become good or great again. It's happened with every single title produced since the dawn of comics. Not every writier is good for a given character. Spider-man will get better and eventually he'll get worse. What's wrong with being there to witness it? Those of us who choose to do so should not be ridiculed for doing so any more than those that choose not to collect during the down periods should be ridiculed for their decision.

Right. A great example of this is The Flash. I know it's a DC character and many here may not be familiar with it, but bear with me. Geoff Johns and Howard Porter were the creative team on The Flash for quite some time. They took the character through some great storylines and really made the book a great read each and every month. Well, Johns and Porter's run ended and now with Flash rebooted, under a new creative team...well, it's certainly not up to snuff with Johns and Porters work...in fact, it's not that great of a book anymore. But does that mean that The Flash shouldn't have anymore stories told? Or that it won't get better in the future? Well, you never know...and you'll never really find out if you don't keep reading, or keeping up on the character.

And like JJ Jameson said just a couple posts up. He likes the character Spider-Man enough to grit through stories that he may not agree with, but in the end, he gets what he's always wanted...a Spider-Man comic book.

 

[J. J. Jameson]

I love the battered woman mentality some of you have concerning spider-man. "He will change, i know it, the comic will get better" while the creators constantly spit in your faces with bad storylines and bad editorial decision.

Pretty sad don't you say?

Um, I don't think you're seeing my point exactly. As SIAT said, that's not what I was saying at all. I'm not saying that the current ASM issues are bad. I actually love them. They're thrilling and exciting. But do I like the fact that Spidey needed to unmask for this to happen? NO! I keep hating the idea more and more. But I'll accept it. Facts can't be changed. The current stories are thought provoking. I find myself agreeing that one side is legal and wrong, while another side is illegal and right. Do I like the fact that Iron Man is using Spidey? NO! But again, I'll accept it. This has cleverly set up a plot that places Spidey in his own personal Civil War. The people at Marvel are NOT spitting in my face. They're making me think while I read.

 

[Norman Osborn]

Oh yeah, my name is just that complicated to remember.

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I hope you don't think I was knocking you in that post because I wasn't. I just brought you up as an example of the "collectors" in answer to the question "why do some people still buy when they hate the story"...

...as for your name, I think it's because there's so many "wolverine" type names I confuse them.....my bad

 

[arachnid-guy]

savemarvel...how do you expect to 'save marvel' if we stop buying.

Then we wouldn't 'save' marvel, we'd destroy it- byy not supplying marvel with the funds it needs to continue. A contradiction of sorts.

Pretty sad, don't you think?

 

[J. J. Jameson]

savemarvel...how do you expect to 'save marvel' if we stop buying.

Then we wouldn't 'save' marvel, we'd destroy it- byy not supplying marvel with the funds it needs to continue. A contradiction of sorts.

Pretty sad, don't you think?

Touche.

 

[Zenien]

The other was bad, and I disagree with the unmasking, but the last two issues of ASM have been great. I can only iamgine disgusted Spider-Man fans who dropped the books (Sensational is also pretty good) reading Civil War and thinking that is how Peter is, when Civil War has done a pretty poor job of characterizing Peter thus far.

Sorry haters, but despite some bumps in the road, Spider-Man is still well worth reading and it's more interesting now then it has been in a while.

 

[kainedamo]

I agree with Zenien. Despite some bumps, Spidey has been from good to great in ASM.

The bumps aren't JMS' fault either. It wasn't his idea for The Other to be 12 issues long. In Sins Past, JMS originally wanted Peter to be the father of the kids.

 

[J. J. Jameson]

I agree with Zenien. Despite some bumps, Spidey has been from good to great in ASM.

The bumps aren't JMS' fault either. It wasn't his idea for The Other to be 12 issues long. In Sins Past, JMS originally wanted Peter to be the father of the kids.

They probably didn't want Peter to look bad (like he was doing the nasty thing instead of Norman)

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Nah, Whatif...it's all gravy. I just think I have th' second easiest next to th' dude who has just plain WOLVERINE. Although, I've only seen one other Wolvie floatin' around these boards...unless they all go to sections I don't.

 

[savemarvel]

savemarvel...how do you expect to 'save marvel' if we stop buying.

Then we wouldn't 'save' marvel, we'd destroy it- byy not supplying marvel with the funds it needs to continue. A contradiction of sorts.

Pretty sad, don't you think?

if that's the best you have in what your definition of wit is, then i feel sorry for you. As for not buying the comic, if you had any respect for the character, you would not buy it. The whole zombie/battered woman mentality some of you have about needing to buy Spider-man only proves that you like being treated like crap by Marvel.

Now that's pretty sad.

 

[J. J. Jameson]

if that's the best you have in what your definition of wit is, then i feel sorry for you. As for not buying the comic, if you had any respect for the character, you would not buy it. The whole zombie/battered woman mentality some of you have about needing to buy Spider-man only proves that you like being treated like crap by Marvel.

Now that's pretty sad.

It doesn't prove anything except we are LOYAL FANS who aren't "happy go lucky" when it comes to buying the mags! Because a person doesn't buy Marvel Comics it means they have character?! What the heck? A true fan is not only a fan when the sun is shining down on the comics. They're there through the good, the excellent, the bad, the ugly, the "oookaaay that was weird", and everything else that sends waves through the comic book world.

 

[savemarvel]

It doesn't prove anything except we are LOYAL FANS who aren't "happy go lucky" when it comes to buying the mags! Because a person doesn't buy Marvel Comics it means they have character?! What the heck? A true fan is not only a fan when the sun is shining down on the comics. They're there through the good, the excellent, the bad, the ugly, the "oookaaay that was weird", and everything else that sends waves through the comic book world.

I'm sorry but that's a piss poor argument. There is a big difference between staying though the bad and the good and just letting a publisher talk down to the character and the fans. If you were a loyal fan, you would be disturbed with what's Marvel is doing with the character than to just take it and pretend everything is alright.

That's not being a fan, that's being a follower.

 

[J. J. Jameson]

I'm sorry but that's a piss poor argument. There is a big difference between staying though the bad and the good and just letting a publisher talk down to the character and the fans. If you were a loyal fan, you would be disturbed with what's Marvel is doing with the character than to just take it and pretend everything is alright.

That's not being a fan, that's being a follower.

I AM disturbed. I don't like it. I hate the idea of everyone knowing who Spider-Man is. I hate the idea of Cap and Spidey fighting. I hate the idea that Spider-Man is on the Pro-Reg side. I hate the idea that Iron Man and Spidey are boss and worker. I would have never done that stuff. But I AM glad that Marvel did. These things are bold and new. Civil War and tie-ins is the best thing I've read in years. It's making me think about who the character of Spider-Man, or Cap, or Iron Man really is. I think back through the hundreds of different issues and compare that Spider-Man with this Spider-Man. The idea of Civil War is genius! I don't like the elements that had to take place for this to happen (e.g. Stamford, unmasking, etc.) but I really love the story that those "hated" elements have created. No one likes BIG changes, but for new things to happen change must happen.

 

[savemarvel]

I AM disturbed. I don't like it. I hate the idea of everyone knowing who Spider-Man is. I hate the idea of Cap and Spidey fighting. I hate the idea that Spider-Man is on the Pro-Reg side. I hate the idea that Iron Man and Spidey are boss and worker. I would have never done that stuff. But I AM glad that Marvel did.

You're talking like a real battered woman. "I hate when my husband put me down and tell me that i will not amount to anything, i hate when he looks at other women and makes disparaging remarks about my weight and looks but you know what? I'm glad that he did."

You see the similarities between a marvel zombie and a battered woman?

Pretty scary isn't it

 

[J. J. Jameson]

You're talking like a real battered woman. "I hate when my husband put me down and tell me that i will not amount to anything, i hate when he looks at other women and makes disparaging remarks about my weight and looks but you know what? I'm glad that he did."

You see the similarities between a marvel zombie and a battered woman?

Pretty scary isn't it

You didn't quote all of my post.

I don't like if Marvel would have unmasked Peter and just moved on from there. But they didn't. They made it part of Civil War and it added a real new element to the story. The same goes with all the other big changes. If Marvel would have done these things for no real reason, I'd be mad. But it's all part of Civil War.

Basically, here's what I'm saying: Alone and individually I don't like the unmaskings and such, BUT together as part of Civil War and part of a bigger picture, I like it alot and it adds more 'richness' to the story.




By the way: A battered wife being compared to a comic book reader is the most exaggerated and crazy illustration I've ever heard.

 

[JackBauer]

Civil War and tie-ins is the best thing I've read in years. It's making me think about who the character of Spider-Man, or Cap, or Iron Man really is.

a) you need to read other stuff

b) no, Spider-Man, and Iron Man (Cap is the one closest to his real self in this whole debacle) aren't really like this. look back to the hundreds and hundreds of back issues to see who the real Spidey and Iron man are.

 

[JackBauer]

You didn't quote all of my post.

I don't like if Marvel would have unmasked Peter and just moved on from there. But they didn't. They made it part of Civil War and it added a real new element to the story. The same goes with all the other big changes. If Marvel would have done these things for no real reason, I'd be mad. But it's all part of Civil War.

Basically, here's what I'm saying: Alone and individually I don't like the unmaskings and such, BUT together as part of Civil War and part of a bigger picture, I like it alot and it adds more 'richness' to the story.

Civil War's not gonna last forever you know... it's going to end and then you'll be stuck with this crap until who knows when.

the fact is: it goes against Spidey's character to such a ridiculous degree that even as a part of Civil War there is no way it can be acceptable. hell, it makes it even worse.

 

[pussywillow1972]

if that's the best you have in what your definition of wit is, then i feel sorry for you. As for not buying the comic, if you had any respect for the character, you would not buy it. The whole zombie/battered woman mentality some of you have about needing to buy Spider-man only proves that you like being treated like crap by Marvel.

Now that's pretty sad.

Your constant comparisons between those of us who continue to buy spider-man comics and battered women is ridiculous and inane. It's a friggin' comic book! It has absolutely no meaningful impact to anyone's life. It is simple escapism. To insult and denigrate those who buy the comic betrays a startling ignorance on your part. If you want to be taken seriously, first accept that there are those of us who buy the comic for the simple reason that we enjoy reading them. Yes the stories at the moment are not as good as many in the past, but they're a hell of a lot better than some others. What difference does it make to you whether anyone buys them or not? It's their choice, not yours. Don't give them crap for it. But then again, I have a higher regard for my morning bowel movement than I do your opinion so it doesn't really matter.