Fant4stic: Reborn! - - Part 21

[terry78]

Well, that's Whedon opinion and while subjective, I really don't know who outside of Carol Danvers really has had their own massive character arcs and weren't just supporting players. Jessica Jones came into her own as of late, and I guess She-Hulk is cool, but she's more satirical.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

And by proper you mean a Disney film. The hate for this movie is absurd. If this film succeeds both critically and commercially that is THE definition of "proper film".

Oh boy, I don't even know where to begin to tell you how wrong you are

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Are we bringing up the "The world was against DOFP!" fallacy again? There was mild criticism about the marketing campaign and Quicksilver's costume got some (much deserved) snickers. But DOFP was highly anticipated, not wildly reviled like Fant4stic.

When history doesn't back you up you have to rewrite it.

 

[Urich Leeds]

I've been thinking alot about this movie, and I've come to the conclusion that this will be a superhero origin, ala Man of Steel.

By that, I mean that it will show these character's transformation into the character's we all know, as we're all most familiar with them. Just like how, in MOS, Clark didn't become "Clark Kent, Daily Planet Reporter" and the Superman we know until the end of that film (necksnapping aside).

So, while these characters might seem unrecognizable now (especially Doom), we COULD see them evolve into the characters we know and love.

At least, as much as they can given this new, UFF based take. And in a way we haven't seen before.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

So I'm assuming they went to the negative zone in that trailer?

It's N-Zone actually, because Negative is a too complicated word for Kinberg to write

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I think people would have a hard time arguing that these are all the core concepts of the fantastic four... and I think most of us have a hard time swallowing a film that doesn't get those aspects right.

There for.. if it doesn't check those all off.. i wont pay money to see it. and hope it burns and flames and eventually goes back to Marvel. Whos tones and story handling honors there properties with respect and does a sell job at capturing the beloved spirit and magic we grew up with.

I have a confession. I am partly responsible for the last TMNT movie.

There was a gritty comic published decades ago about these Ninja turtles that was adapted into a kid-friendly cartoon that completely went in the opposite direction in terms of tone and respect to the spirit of the cursing, gory turtles.

It had many of the core elements but changed the visuals and tone for kids my age and we ate it up. Since then, there hasn't been an attempt at the original comics adaptation but several kid-friendly versions.

Je suis Michael Bay.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The idea there wasn't a lot of online hate for DOFP is rewriting history.

 

[Urich Leeds]

The idea there wasn't a lot of online hate for DOFP is rewriting history.

The X films have been doing that for 15 years.

People just dont care anymore.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I have a confession. I am partly responsible for the last TMNT movie.

There was a gritty comic published decades ago about these Ninja turtles that was adapted into a kid-friendly cartoon that completely went in the opposite direction in terms of tone and respect to the spirit of the cursing, gory turtles.

It had many of the core elements but changed the visuals and tone for kids my age and we ate it up. Since then, there hasn't been an attempt at the original comics adaptation but several kid-friendly versions.

Je suis Michael Bay.

even Michael Bay (as producer) couldn't spit out a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles that resembled any form we've seen before... the original films i felt balanced the iconic cartoon with the lesser known gritty comic.. the new film took the Cartoon, and found a way to make it more cheesy and cartoonish. (and also disturbing, do we really need to hear mikey crack sex jokes?)

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Please. There is online hate for every movie. Stop trying to act like DoFP is some poor mistreated puppy.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Please. There is online hate for every movie. Stop trying to act like DoFP is some poor mistreated puppy.

LOL. What would the internet be without trolling/bashing?

Getting stuff done? Heck no.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Thought this was a interesting quote from Whedon. When he's right he's right.

"Marvel is in a position of making a statement simply by making [a female-led] movie, which I think would be a good thing to do. But it has to be a good movie, it has to be a good character, and most of the best characters in Marvel are owned by Fox, let's face it!"

nothing new. we already know Fox holds a lot of great characters hostage

 

[TheComicbookKid]

even Michael Bay (as producer) couldn't spit out a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles that resembled any form we've seen before... the original films i felt balanced the iconic cartoon with the lesser known gritty comic.. the new film took the Cartoon, and found a way to make it more cheesy and cartoonish. (and also disturbing, do we really need to hear mikey crack sex jokes?)

But the point is that the Turtles weren't conceived as a kid-friendly property. The General audience decided they liked the cartoon and that's what Turtles have been since.

Once we started having comics adapted for mass consumption, the GA gets a say about what the core elements are(not just us). This Fantastic Four is part of that choice.


Would you really just adapt Hal Jordan six times and fail than just make a John Stewart movie(with cobbled together GL mythos) just cause it doesn't match the comics?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I've been thinking alot about this movie, and I've come to the conclusion that this will be a superhero origin, ala Man of Steel.

By that, I mean that it will show these character's transformation into the character's we all know, as we're all most familiar with them. Just like how, in MOS, Clark didn't become "Clark Kent, Daily Planet Reporter" and the Superman we know until the end of that film (necksnapping aside).

So, while these characters might seem unrecognizable now (especially Doom), we COULD see them evolve into the characters we know and love.

At least, as much as they can given this new, UFF based take.

I think you're absolutely right. Unfortunately the 'Origin Story' has been done to death.

I think Lee and Kirby did it perfectly in the actual FF#1 - Give the readers some glimpse of cool characters. Go back and quickly tell the origin, then get on with the story.

Spending a lot of time getting bogged down with an origin and people struggling with powers isn't what FF was all about. If done right, it may make an interesting story, but it's not the sort of story I ever picked up an FF comic book to read.

I wanted to read about people with incredible powers going on amazing adventures and risking their lives to protect the people who needed their protection from awesomely powerful threats.

And while we knew Superman would get a sequel, if this doesn't capture viewer's imaginations with the unique elements that made the FF special when they debuted, we may never get a sequel - which would make some around here very happy, but Marvel might have to wait another 8 years to get the rights and then they'll probably be busy with other projects.

I don't see any reason not to do it right from the start other than a lack of courage and unwillingness to invest what it would take to do the FF right.

I don't buy the "we need to do something different" excuse, because FF done right would not be like anything anybody has ever seen before.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

But the point is that the Turtles weren't conceived as a kid-friendly property. The General audience decided they liked the cartoon and that's what Turtles have been since.

Once we started having comics adapted for mass consumption, the GA gets a say about what the core elements are(not just us). This Fantastic Four is part of that choice.


Would you really just adapt Hal Jordan six times and fail than just make a John Stewart movie(with cobbled together GL mythos) just cause it doesn't match the comics?

you are aware of the MASSIVE difference though right? TMNT as a comic was not very wide spread.. it was an INDIE comic. 90% of the population was exposed to the turtles FOR THE FIRST TIME via the original cartoon. That's when you can change something... IF you suddenly made a turtles film that was as dark and brooding and violent as the comic.. it would be panned and bashed across the board.. why? Because that's not what the general public is familiar with

you can't take a well know document iconic property and completely reinvent it and twist it into something completely unfamiliar to those who know what they're "suppose to be" it's the same reason why Tim Burton's Superman didn't end up going anywhere.. and why people are thankful that never happened.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

in all honesty, i think the only superhero properties you can now bend, twist and reinvent are Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man... because now everyone knows the themes, what the characters are all about, who they are.. etc... I don't think any other comic property is at that scope or point yet

 

[RAE072]

But the point is that the Turtles weren't conceived as a kid-friendly property. The General audience decided they liked the cartoon and that's what Turtles have been since.

Except for the INCREDIBLY popular and well-received first movie in 1990, which was considerably darker, and similar in tone to the comics, than the wildly popular cartoon that debuted 2 years before the movie.

So yeah.

 

[Tony Stark]

The idea there wasn't a lot of online hate for DOFP is rewriting history.

Please provide the evidence. The only objection anyone had was when Fox announced Quicksilver almost immediately following Marvels announcement that QS and SW would be new heroes in Age of Ultron. And then objections to QS' look in DOFP.

I knew I would like the film and bringing Singer back was the best decision Fox ever made. No one bad mouthed the film itself.

 

[Spiderine]

My first exposure to TMNT was that cartoon in late 80's. I had no idea a comic even existed.

 

[Picard Stewart]

Thank God we have this guy around to tell everyone what their opinion really means and whether it's valid or not. What a relief! All that thinking for myself is tedious.

wasn't sure how to reply but...

Been reading your posts through the last few pages and they're extremely bashful and condescending. Are you under the impression that said approach makes your points more convincing?

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

The idea there wasn't a lot of online hate for DOFP is rewriting history.

to be fair still don't like the movie for various reasons. It is better than X3 but that's the most positive I could say about it

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

My first exposure to TMNT was that cartoon in late 80's. I had no idea a comic even existed.

the comic was great. it was a very gritty parody of a lot of nonsense that was going on at the two big comic book houses at the same time, especially the x-books

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

IGN posted a Rewind Trailer.

Discusssed some theories over how many trips to the N-Zone, if they can control their powers at first, if Doom is disfigured by the experiment and more. Check it out

Comic, Cartoon, Novel.. all "classic" and "widely known" versions of the characters. Not the film.. if it were the film, i'd be very much rooting for this film.. but it's quite the opposite.

Aside from Doom pretty much everything you described about the characters traits is likely to be in the movie or more specifically hasn't been confirmed to not be in the movie.

She could be the motherly type, Ben the big protective brother type, Reed the scholastic Genius and Johnny the cocky type

 

[Spiderine]

the comic was great. it was a very gritty parody of a lot of nonsense that was going on at the two big comic book houses at the same time

Yeah, I've heard great things about the original comic. Wasn't the 2003 cartoon closer to the comic? I really enjoyed that show as well.

 

[First Avenger]

The idea there wasn't a lot of online hate for DOFP is rewriting history.

Please,so many people were happy and confident when Singer returned,myself included. Besides,every darn movie gets hate on the net.