Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - Part 41

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[Farren]

Apparently there's a bit of a fan community for Super Mario Bros.: The Movie. Seriously, fans have tracked down early scripts and everything. I hear there's been a movement to track down anything they can find on previously unused scenes (possibly with the intention of actually making a "director's cut"?). This includes some weird rap scene.

My God, that's going to happen with this film in a few years, isn't it? Somebody will literally try to make "The Trank Cut" with the Fantasticar and Operation Dumb Thing Drop scenes added back.

Sign me up. It sounds like fun. I love weird stuff like this.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

What are the latest box office earnings?

 

[RAE072]

What are the latest box office earnings?

Domestic: $30,883,317 47.5%
+ Foreign: $34,100,000 52.5%
= Worldwide: $64,983,317

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fantasticfour15.htm

 

[charleslogan]

I hear the movie will not be able to make what the previous two have made. Sounds likely.

 

[Endeavor]

I hope it doesn't even reach 100 mil WW in it's entire run

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

In another week this film will be dropped from theaters. They're projecting a $7 million take at the box office this weekend--which is a near-historic 72% drop from its opening weekend.

 

[DawnWarrior]

I'm going to choose to root for Josh Trank to make a comeback down the road. Someone compared his situation to David Fincher on Alien3, and it worked out alright for that guy. Fox was never gonna do right by the FF anyway, not with Trank or anyone else. I know it's a cliche to take the artists' side and all that, but hell with it.

 

[Eddie]

Yeah, Trank was definitely screwed over. All he wanted was for a few actors to blink and breathe when he told them to! Is that really too much to ask?!

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Are you guys kidding me? No. I'm sorry, but I have ZERO sympathy for Josh Trank.

He used this "Fantastic Four" opportunity to make a sequel to his previous film Chronicle. It's as simple as that. He shoehorned actors from that film (Teller, Michael B. Jordan, etc.,) into this one, changed the very essence of the FF storyline into something dark, head-bursting and body horrific, changed characters around to fit the actors who wanted to play them, and then had the nerve to slap the title "Fantastic Four" on it. That's about the most mismatched concept I've ever seen in my life.

FOX used Josh Trank to suit their "Marvel rights" needs. Josh used FOX to get his Chronicle sequel in. And the Fantastic Four got ruined in the process.

So no, I don't wish him well. Directors who have real integrity will look at a property objectively and have the guts to tell the studio "You know what, I can't do this. Either we rename the movie to something else or I have to walk." Edgar Wright did that with Ant-Man. So did Ava DuVernay with Black Panther. Josh Trank stayed and tried to force a circle into a square.

That's greed.

 

[Jason Kane]

Are you guys kidding me? No. I'm sorry, but I have ZERO sympathy for Josh Trank.

He used this "Fantastic Four" opportunity to make a sequel to his previous film Chronicle. It's as simple as that. He shoehorned actors from that film (Teller, Michael B. Jordan, etc.,) into this one, changed the very essence of the FF storyline into something dark, head-bursting and body horrific, changed characters around to fit the actors who wanted to play them, and then had the nerve to slap the title "Fantastic Four" on it. That's about the most mismatched concept I've ever seen in my life.

FOX used Josh Trank to suit their "Marvel rights" needs. Josh used FOX to get his Chronicle sequel in. And the Fantastic Four got ruined in the process.

So no, I don't wish him well. Directors who have real integrity will look at a property objectively and have the guts to tell the studio "You know what, I can't do this. Either we rename the movie to something else or I have to walk." Edgar Wright did that with Ant-Man. So did Ava DuVernay with Black Panther. Josh Trank stayed and tried to force a circle into a square.

That's greed.

I don't know which is worst: Trank using F4 as a Chronicle 2 rather than make the actual thing or Frank Miller trampling on Will Eisner's legacy by turning The Spirit into a Sin City related movie whrn he could've made A Dame to Kill For all on his own without Robert Rodriguez instead of waiting nearly a decade to late to make it.


Screw it! Both measure out equally

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

If I were a director and a studio offered me a big budget adaption of a comic or book that I didn't like or respect or couldn't learn to respect I wouldn't direct that ****ing movie. It's not like Trank would have been blacklisted for turning down the chance to direct Fantastic Four.

 

[Raiden]

In another week this film will be dropped from theaters. They're projecting a $7 million take at the box office this weekend--which is a near-historic 72% drop from its opening weekend.

72% drop? That'll be music to my ears.

 

[Raiden]

If I were a director and a studio offered me a big budget adaption of a comic or book that I didn't like or respect or couldn't learn to respect I wouldn't direct that ****ing movie. It's not like Trank would have been blacklisted for turning down the chance to direct Fantastic Four.

Trank probably saw FF as a stepping stone for him to land bigger movie later, which he did with that Star Wars Anthology movie. But he got fired due to his own mistakes which deserved no sympathy.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Trank probably saw FF as a stepping stone for him to land bigger movie later, which he did with that Star Wars Anthology movie. But he got fired due to his own mistakes which deserved no sympathy.

I know, I know that's my theory as well but did he have to try to make a Chronicle sequel? And why did Fox even want a covert Chronicle sequel?

I get studios taking chances on projects and I have no problem with it because sometimes things work out but they shouldn't have been looking to do that with FF because they have never even had a remotely semi decent movie in the first place. This was not the property to reinvent so drastically and it's not 1999-2000 so black suited devil may care attitudes towards the source material isn't even in. This is a post Marvel Studios world, that has to be acknowledged.

 

[Snow Queen]

I know, I know that's my theory as well but did he have to try to make a Chronicle sequel? And why did Fox even want a covert Chronicle sequel?

Kinberg in Trank's corner and needing to get something made quickly to keep the rights?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

This feels like one of those stories that I will never quite understand how it all happened. I get that it happened and more or less, depending on which reports you believe, what happened but I don't get how Fox let this happen again after they were on such a good roll?

Against all odds they have actually successfully rebooted Planet of the Apes after that poor Tim Burton movie. That was a recent reboot, I'm not pulling a 30 year old example out of my ass but a 2011 film. They had a recent example of what to do. Do something new and fresh but don't abandon the source material, the source material being the original films rather than Pierre Boulle's novel.

 

[Jekecy]

Against all odds they have actually successfully rebooted Planet of the Apes after that poor Tim Burton movie. That was a recent reboot, I'm not pulling a 30 year old example out of my ass but a 2011 film. They had a recent example of what to do. Do something new and fresh but don't abandon the source material, the source material being the original films rather than Pierre Boulle's novel.

A key difference would be that POTA was a successful brand at one point in time and has prominent brand recognition in pop culture.

F4 on the other hand, as far as mainstream is concerned, has been a marred property since day one. Made even worse by the disaster of this recent film. If a reboot is to come, it's going to have a steep hill to climb. It's not like they have to regain people's trust, people don't have faith in this property to begin with. It'll be a tough sell, unless miraculously the MCU comes in to save the day and integrate it with their established film canon.

 

[TheVileOne]

I can piece it together. Fox's deadline on this property was almost up. They needed to get this into production. Trank gave them a pitch, people who don't know the property probably heard it and said, "it's a gritty and realistic take, the complete opposite of the older movies, so it will be different (aka better). It will be like Nolan's Batman films!"

I imagine that's basically what it was, take the Nolan Batman route with Fantastic Four, which fans and critics loved. It will work.

 

[lordofthenerds]

I can piece it together. Fox's deadline on this property was almost up. They needed to get this into production. Trank gave them a pitch, people who don't know the property probably heard it and said, "it's a gritty and realistic take, the complete opposite of the older movies, so it will be different (aka better). It will be like Nolan's Batman films!"

I imagine that's basically what it was, take the Nolan Batman route with Fantastic Four, which fans and critics loved. It will work.

This was almost undoubtedly Fox's reasoning.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I can piece it together. Fox's deadline on this property was almost up. They needed to get this into production. Trank gave them a pitch, people who don't know the property probably heard it and said, "it's a gritty and realistic take, the complete opposite of the older movies, so it will be different (aka better). It will be like Nolan's Batman films!"

I imagine that's basically what it was, take the Nolan Batman route with Fantastic Four, which fans and critics loved. It will work.

You don't think that they were trying to make it more along the lines of the X-films tonally? I could see going darker based on what was successful in house, they don't even have to look at Nolan's comic book movies.

I'm not crazy, I understand that 2008 solidified two things, the Nolanish way of making comic book films and the Marvel way. But the X-Men films exist and they have still been successful.

 

[SSJ4_Haruhi]

Considering that the Wednesday box office figures are less than $2 million, I reckon that this film will be getting easily less than $1 million in the next few days, definitely next week.

 

[chamber-music]

I feel like the X-Men films are in the middle of the Nolan/Marvel scale.

 

[Darkraid]

No sympathy from me on Trank either. He is an immature piece of ass.