Fant4stic: Reborn! - - Part 21

[Farren]

Except they are in their dark suits in the scenes where things seem to have gone wrong (burned suits, smashed visors etc).

Yeah that definitely looked like Teller in a black suit crawling through the debris.

Maybe there will still be some wild hijinks during a first trip in the white suits (maybe they'll get there powers then), but that the second trip is when an "accident" occurs.

 

[starscream22]

As I can see how this section of the boards has been taken over by people who 'have never read anything about the Fantastic Four, but this movie looks it will be a good representation of it, because grounded and gritty is kewl and I love dark corridors' I will make the sane decision and abandon the FF board just as I abandoned the X-boards, spidey boards and bat boards years ago. So from now on you don't have to read any longer my opinion of how the FF are supposed to be and I don't have to read yours. And with that, I wish you a good night. You can still find me in the sections of movies or TV shows I still care about.

To be fair, posters like Pavlov and Cycwasright were in the minority here for months but didn't take their ball and go home. So I'm not about to do it now that the table has slightly turned in light of a Meh trailer.

Sure it's a little disheartening that so many have caught a case of "eff this reboot amnesia". But the fight for Fantastic Four's freedom is far from finish. Now say that 5x's fast, laugh and start playing their game of wait see while enjoying the real Marvel projects (AOU, Ant-man, Daredevil) that're line up this year.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Yeah that definitely looked like Teller in a black suit crawling through the debris.

Maybe there will still be some wild hijinks during a first trip in the white suits (maybe they'll get there powers then), but that the second trip is when an "accident" occurs.

The White suit trip is definitely only four members and they seems to be scaling a mountain.

Perhaps it goes okay and the implications mean that the Government funds a bigger trek which is where things go really wrong.

Or if the Blue suit trip is the first excursion, perhaps they get their powers then and with the accident shutting down the project they build their own transporter to go back for some reason

 

[Stormz96]

The White suit trip is definitely only four members and they seems to be scaling a mountain.

Perhaps it goes okay and the implications mean that the Government funds a bigger trek which is where things go really wrong.

Or if the Blue suit trip is the first excursion, perhaps they get their powers then and with the accident shutting down the project they build their own transporter to go back for some reason

I'm thinkin the project gets funded by the government after some sort of Doom high jacking of the project. Then maybe things go wrong on that trip and the 4 take it upon themselves and their newly discovered powers to rescue them.

I think the blue suit trip is the second because the machine they're going into in that one is definitely a lot more high tech (blink and you'll miss it though)

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

As I can see how this section of the boards has been taken over by people who 'have never read anything about the Fantastic Four, but this movie looks it will be a good representation of it, because grounded and gritty is kewl and I love dark corridors' I will make the sane decision and abandon the FF board just as I abandoned the X-boards, spidey boards and bat boards years ago. So from now on you don't have to read any longer my opinion of how the FF are supposed to be and I don't have to read yours. And with that, I wish you a good night. You can still find me in the sections of movies or TV shows I still care about.

Looks like the tables have turned.

I grew disinterested in this board a while back when in the vacuum of promotion there was nothing much to talk about. Now that the trailer is released there's still nothing much to talk about. All it did for me is confirm that this movie is going to suck. The trailer was a mediocre display of a mediocre film that is going back for reshoots because Fox doesn't like it. Bravo to Fox marketing for polishing a turd. But folks who want to pretend otherwise and gloat and do a victory lap over what they perceive as a turning of the tide strike me as extremely petty.

It's not about being in the minority or majority. People are entitled to speak their minds on both sides. That's what a forum is for.

But I will say this. Before when those of us complained we were told: "You haven't seen the trailer." And now that the trailer is released and we have more to complain about we are being told "You haven't seen the movie". Keep moving those goal posts folks.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I've always and will always stand by seeing a film first. Judge a teaser as a teaser, a trailer as a trailer, and a film as a film. We're never going to know what works and what doesn't until we see it in context.

Hated the marketing for Dredd and The Wolverine, but really loved both films. In turn, I loved the marketing for FF2 and X-Men 3. Hell even Origins had me invested based on the trailers. Boy, was I let the eff down by all of those films.

So yeah, I won't make a judgement for or against this film until I see it. As far as the teaser goes, it did it's job and the cinematography was the standout for me.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I've always and will always stand by seeing a film first. Judge a teaser as a teaser, a trailer as a trailer, and a film as a film. We're never going to know what works and what doesn't until we see it in context.

Hated the marketing for Dredd and The Wolverine, but really loved both films. In turn, I loved the marketing for FF2 and X-Men 3. Hell even Origins had me invested based on the trailers. Boy, was I let the eff down by all of those films.

So yeah, I won't make a judgement for or against this film until I see it. As far as the teaser goes, it did it's job and the cinematography was the standout for me.

Wasn't the first trailer the Torch chasing SS? The best scene in the whole movie.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think the problem with the whole discussion around the web over the reaction to the trailer is that it seems to be framed by the extremes.

Those who like the trailer seem to argue that people who didn't like the trailer either 1)Want the film to fail, or 2) Are dogmatic fans who can't accept any change from the canon. By the same token those who didn't like the trailer assume that those who liked it are 1) Newbies who don't know or like the comics or 2)Apologists for Fox and the filmmakers.

It assumes that you either have to love the trailer or hate it and that you have to fit in whatever categories help further your own argument. I'm a guy who's always advocated giving filmmakers leeway with source material and I'm not bound to the F4 comics, and I didn't like the previous films. At the same time I'm not a F4 fan.

Under the current polarization , I should have loved the trailer yet I wasn't blown away by it. I thought it was okay and did what it needed to do, but I didn't feel it was as amazing as alot of people who like it feel. At the same time, I didn't think it was awful and I'm more than willing to see Trank's take on the story, so I'm not rooting for it to fail or want it to be bad.

I need to see the story first before I could make any sort of judgement or draw any conclusion and it seems that those pro and con the teaser are defensively drawing conclusions about the film based on a teaser.

Well said. Without any preconceptions, I think the trailer was pretty mediocre. It didn't look terrible. There weren't any moments of cheesy dialogue, awful-looking CGI or anything else that would make us cringe.

It also didn't look great. We didn't see the things we all want to see - the FF and Doom in forms recognizable from the comics.

So it just seems . . . odd . . . that after such a mediocre trailer we have people at such extremes.

I feel slightly better than I did before the trailer because I had imagined some pretty grim possibilities, but the trailer didn't sway me much because it still didn't show me anything great.

 

[eddy]

Has there been anything said one way or the other about whether the Torch can fly in this movie?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Looks like the tables have turned.

One of us has previously been banned from this section because they couldn't handle opposing opinions and didn't know how to (or had no interest in) getting along, and one of us hasn't.

Remind me which was which again?

But thank you for helping make my point.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I grew disinterested in this board a while back when in the vacuum of promotion there was nothing much to talk about. Now that the trailer is released there's still nothing much to talk about. All it did for me is confirm that this movie is going to suck. The trailer was a mediocre display of a mediocre film that is going back for reshoots because Fox doesn't like it. Bravo to Fox marketing for polishing a turd. But folks who want to pretend otherwise and gloat and do a victory lap over what they perceive as a turning of the tide strike me as extremely petty.

It's not about being in the minority or majority. People are entitled to speak their minds on both sides. That's what a forum is for.

But I will say this. Before when those of us complained we were told: "You haven't seen the trailer." And now that the trailer is released and we have more to complain about we are being told "You haven't seen the movie". Keep moving those goal posts folks.

Excellent.

 

[VenomsMom]

Holy Crap!!!!

I just checked out this trailer. Did WB make this? What with this dark and depressing junk. I thought FF was supposed to be fun and lighthearted. I was waiting on Batman Bane Joker and Zod to jump on the screen straight out of Nolan's world. 3 junk FF films in a row now. A big fat Rock man made of stone is realistic? This is like Nolan trying to make Killer Croc and Manbat realistic. 3 strikes and you out. Hollywood FAIL

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Has there been anything said one way or the other about whether the Torch can fly in this movie?

The leaked images showed a man battling Doom on a wire in a orange lighted costume, I'd take that as confirmation

 

[Nemeres]

I think the problem with the whole discussion around the web over the reaction to the trailer is that it seems to be framed by the extremes.

I don't see much of that, not around the web. Moderate liking, moderate dislike. Not many with a vested interest in it failing or succeeding, unlike here. And more in the positive camp, if I'm being honest, even if not by a huge majority.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Well said. Without any preconceptions, I think the trailer was pretty mediocre. It didn't look terrible. There weren't any moments of cheesy dialogue, awful-looking CGI or anything else that would make us cringe.

It also didn't look great. We didn't see the things we all want to see - the FF and Doom in forms recognizable from the comics.

So it just seems . . . odd . . . that after such a mediocre trailer we have people at such extremes.

I feel slightly better than I did before the trailer because I had imagined some pretty grim possibilities, but the trailer didn't sway me much because it still didn't show me anything great.

All of this is true. The thing is, the only people thinking it would look bad were the detractors.

Fox is a major Hollywood studio and Trank is a good director.

Abrams has layed some eggs but the trailers look good.

This was never going to be some Sharknado looking trailer. Jupiter Ascending looks bad cause the movie looks bad, it's full of money/action shots.

 

[Snikt]

I think the problem with the whole discussion around the web over the reaction to the trailer is that it seems to be framed by the extremes.

Those who like the trailer seem to argue that people who didn't like the trailer either 1)Want the film to fail, or 2) Are dogmatic fans who can't accept any change from the canon. By the same token those who didn't like the trailer assume that those who liked it are 1) Newbies who don't know or like the comics or 2)Apologists for Fox and the filmmakers.

It assumes that you either have to love the trailer or hate it and that you have to fit in whatever categories help further your own argument. I'm a guy who's always advocated giving filmmakers leeway with source material and I'm not bound to the F4 comics, and I didn't like the previous films. At the same time I'm not a F4 fan.

Under the current polarization , I should have loved the trailer yet I wasn't blown away by it. I thought it was okay and did what it needed to do, but I didn't feel it was as amazing as alot of people who like it feel. At the same time, I didn't think it was awful and I'm more than willing to see Trank's take on the story, so I'm not rooting for it to fail or want it to be bad.

I need to see the story first before I could make any sort of judgement or draw any conclusion and it seems that those pro and con the teaser are defensively drawing conclusions about the film based on a teaser.

I agree with this whole-heartedly! Just because the X-Men franchise is my favorite, doesn't make me an apologist for Fox. I didn't enjoy the first two Fantastic Four films, the director's cut of DareDevil was ok (But I'm looking forward to the Netflix series).

I love and/or like all the MCU films as well (some more than others).

Fox has made bad X-Men films (Although I enjoy X3), I won't deny it. Not all of Marvel's films have been gold either (but they've not had a disaster).

I liked the Fan4 teaser. Didn't fall in love with it head-over-heels, but I really enjoyed it and I'm anxiously awaiting the next trailer.

 

[Picard Stewart]

We didn't see the things we all want to see - the FF and Doom in forms recognizable from the comics.

Looks like the FF to me.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Some people were convinced this was going to be some found footage film (cause that's all Trank can do) aka Chronicle2 with no concrete proof. Then the trailer drops and it now some Interstellar ripoff.

Like I said for the past few months. Just dislike something cause you dislike something. No need to believe unconfirmed rumors or believe stuff to make yourself more angry.

Abrams Trek had funny and light moments but it wasn't GOTG dance-off either silly either.

Abrams star trek series was pretty much the same tone as the marvel cinematic films imo. Colorful, bright, with action drama and fun. And the trailers echoed that. The trailer did not exude any of that.

Even iron man 3 and into darkness were dramatic somber trailers, but still maintained a tone that echoed heroics , bright colors, and adventure which this movie is not. Its shot very dark and cold. Similar, but even more so than The Amazing Spider-Man 1

 

[Human Torch]

So it just seems . . . odd . . . that after such a mediocre trailer we have people at such extremes.

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True. I'd hate to see if the trailer were actually the home run some people are making it out to be.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Honestly, I liked the trailer for the same reason why a lot of people hate it. Because it's different.

The Fantastic Four aren't the Avengers or X-Men. They're scientists and explorers rather than traditional superheroes. I don't want to see the FF take the same tone as either of those franchises or else they'll just be generic. Guardians of the Galaxy worked precisely because it focused on being sci-fi and comedy first and a superhero story second which was something that nobody else was doing at the time.

Fantastic Four needs to do what nobody else is currently doing. By that I mean sci-fi drama fist and superhero second. We'll still get heroes with powers. We'll still get high stakes but we'll get plenty of angst and wonder and equal amounts.

I get how its showing the science aspect. But i fail to see how it shows anything remotely "adventurous" or "explorative" and truth be told, the fact trank is using the fly as inspiration... means they will likely treat their abilities as a curse or side effect ala many xmen characters in films do. ...

I think if you feel otherwise you've got some serious denial going on

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Some people just can't grasp onto the fact that this is not a typical Fantastic Four movie. They're teenagers instead of adults and they don't wear the tight blue costumes. They're not taking the usual approach and because of this, people think it will be a bad movie. It's like seeing the trailer for Batman Begins and saying it will be a bad movie because it's more realistic. I'm excited for this movie and I'm not ashamed to say it. It has a great director and writer and a great cast. It already looks better then those last two movies which took the usual approach. How did that turn out? I'm not judging the comics because I'm a big F4 fan but there was no way they would go back to the comicy F4 after those last 2 movies. Marvel Studios has done the best job at adapting comics to film IMHO, but Fox is trying something different, and I like that.

Basically this movie looks like they've merged chronicle and prometheus with "i am number four" and to me... that just makes it feel completely "eh we've seen it all before" casting the fantastic four in that setting doesn't suddenly make it provacative and original

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I've always and will always stand by seeing a film first. Judge a teaser as a teaser, a trailer as a trailer, and a film as a film. We're never going to know what works and what doesn't until we see it in context.

Hated the marketing for Dredd and The Wolverine, but really loved both films. In turn, I loved the marketing for FF2 and X-Men 3. Hell even Origins had me invested based on the trailers. Boy, was I let the eff down by all of those films.

So yeah, I won't make a judgement for or against this film until I see it. As far as the teaser goes, it did it's job and the cinematography was the standout for me.

But what if a trailer doesn't make you want to see a film? Or actually makes you want to see it even less than you did before?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well said. Without any preconceptions, I think the trailer was pretty mediocre. It didn't look terrible. There weren't any moments of cheesy dialogue, awful-looking CGI or anything else that would make us cringe.

It also didn't look great. We didn't see the things we all want to see - the FF and Doom in forms recognizable from the comics.

So it just seems . . . odd . . . that after such a mediocre trailer we have people at such extremes.

I feel slightly better than I did before the trailer because I had imagined some pretty grim possibilities, but the trailer didn't sway me much because it still didn't show me anything great.

I delt it was mediocre as well, there really was no dialogue, not that many effects, there wasnt a whole lot shown to real you in. It also didnt create excitement. I saw aou trailers, jurassic world, star wars etc... posted the videos in my news feed quite alot, and discussed it. If people fine this an interesting or exciting trailer than more power to them. But lets not pretend its getting rave reviews... from what ive seen are alot of "meh's" or jist complete lack of care to even want to share or discuss it.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Abrams star trek series was pretty much the same tone as the marvel cinematic films imo. Colorful, bright, with action drama and fun. And the trailers echoed that. The trailer did not exude any of that.

Even iron man 3 and into darkness were dramatic somber trailers, but still maintained a tone that echoed heroics , bright colors, and adventure which this movie is not. Its shot very dark and cold. Similar, but even more so than The Amazing Spider-Man 1

You're right about those other movies. But I don't get dark and cold from this trailer personally.

It looks dramatic. And drama doesn't mean no humor or fun.

It's like when I look at Bond trailers, I don't think "well there are no jetpacks or exploding pens, so I guess their won't be any over the top action scenes." I just see the kind of action is more practical but still crazy.

No doubt this trailer is all drama and nothing else. But I'm glad it's not tricking audiences with something it isn't ala FF2 and the Surfer chase.

 

[Fincher]

True. I'd hate to see if the trailer were actually the home run some people are making it out to be.

Well, I don't have the same tastes as you, so if it was your idea of a 9 (the rating I gave it), it's not a given that I'd even like it.