Fant4stic: Reborn! - - Part 21

[spideyboy_1111]

You're right about those other movies. But I don't get dark and cold from this trailer personally.

It looks dramatic. And drama doesn't mean no humor or fun.

It's like when I look at Bond trailers, I don't think "well there are no jetpacks or exploding pens, so I guess their won't be any over the top action scenes." I just see the kind of action is more practical but still crazy.

No doubt this trailer is all drama and nothing else. But I'm glad it's not tricking audiences with something it isn't ala FF2 and the Surfer chase.

.... blue and black color tones and shadows are the definition of dark and cold lol.

They set a brooding tone.

 

[The Guard]

Umm, blue and black are colors.

How do colors themselves inherently set a tone?

Filter, yes. Tone, no.

Is it possible that both "visits" to the N-Zone are from the same event? That perhaps the black suits they wear into the Negative Zone APPEAR white in the zone itself?

You know, as in they become NEGATIVE?

Eh, probably not. Still, something to think about.

Heavens, all this “I’ve seen something sort of like that before in another movie”. Well, yeah. Similar things happen in similar ways. Is that the BEST people can do to tear down this trailer?

(shakes head)

Anyway, I get wanting this movie to be more in the spirit of the characters you know and love. I get that we haven’t really seen that spirit yet. Heck, I get that we haven’t seen a lot of the “source material” yet.

But I don’t think we can assume these things are not in the film based on this TEASER, which is clearly designed mostly to highlight the difference’s between Story’s films and this one.

I mean, do you all seriously think there will be no major action or adventure in this film? Look at the third act of CHRONICLE. Trank, on a relatively minimal budget, delivered the type of superhero action and spectacle that many had been craving for a long time. Speaking of CHRONICLE, I really don’t think this trailer looks like it visually. Not much at all.

Nor do I think this is going to be a movie about people walking down hallways.

Nor do I think it’s going to be “dark and brooding”. No one from this production has ever said it would be dark and brooding. They said it would be grittier and more serious than the previous films. Not that it would ONLY be those things.

And I absolutely get wanting some Lee/Kirby influences, and some Byrne influences, etc. However, I don’t like this attitude that “This doesn’t look like Lee/Kirby so I hate it". Expecting the film to visually and tonally and structurally to adhere to just one era of comic stories is really limiting the potential of the Four, I think. I’d like to see a film with influences from many eras and storylines, and Kinberg has suggested pretty clearly that this is along the lines of what they have done.

Sue Storm at the root of it all, is a care taker and a mothering figure regardless of her profession

Reed is the Science wiz who has all the answers, yet is often consumed by his work and at times obsessed with problem solving

Johnny is the immature hot shot, great looking playboy who on the surface is the dumb irrational jock, but on the inside a heart of gold (perfect example is Jason Stackhouse on True Blood (though not as dumb). He's the first to rush into battle, and the first to really enjoy the super-hero schtick

Thing, he's the protector. Best friend of Reed, adores Suzie, and is like oil and water with Johnny (though they both have their share of love and respect on top of annoyance..) Thing also just wants to be human again, and the family helps him feel that way.

Finally there's Doom... the inspiration of Darth Vader... the Villain of all villains... Regal Dictator, pompous , arogant, selfish. always hungry for more power.. and major mommy issues. This causes a friction between he and reed.. because Doom simply can't stand to be 2nd to anyone in intellect. this is a man who will stop at nothing.. from murder to magic, to raging a war to get what he wants.

I feel like this is all really obvious, “surface” stuff, and I hope Trank and Kinberg and the actors have a deeper reading of these characters than their most generic and obvious qualities.

Spending a lot of time getting bogged down with an origin and people struggling with powers isn't what FF was all about.

Except for, you know, their first story arc.

I don't buy the "we need to do something different" excuse, because FF done right would not be like anything anybody has ever seen before.

Not exactly alike perhaps, but I disagree with the spirit of this statement. FANTASTIC FOUR done entirely faithfully, within reason, even with a Lee/Kirby bent, would be very similar to a lot of the things we’ve seen before on film and in other superhero/action/adventure stories. Partially because The Fantastic Four has, since its inception, through no small part because of Jack Kirby's visual style, inspired and influenced a lot of the things we’ve seen in superhero/sci-fi stories and films. They're going to have to dig a little deeper to really show us something new regarding the Four.

you can't take a well know document iconic property and completely reinvent it and twist it into something completely unfamiliar to those who know what they're "suppose to be" it's the same reason why Tim Burton's Superman didn't end up going anywhere.. and why people are thankful that never happened.

Sure you can. Speaking of Burton, see Tim Burton’s BATMAN. Changed an entire generation’s perception of a character, and introduced them to a version they largely weren’t aware of. And it was the version that many of the die-hard fans felt was more in line with the "correct" vision of the character, a darker, more intense and serious one.

I get how its showing the science aspect. But i fail to see how it shows anything remotely "adventurous" or "explorative" and truth be told, the fact trank is using the fly as inspiration... means they will likely treat their abilities as a curse or side effect ala many xmen characters in films do.

Yup, nothing adventurous about going to other dimensions, climbing around a harsh landscape above volcanoes and hanging around plane-suspending columns of light.

Treat their abilities as a curse…sort of like they’ve done in many versions of the comics? Before they realize they’re worth struggling to master and embracing as gifts? You know, the classic superhero journey and all that? I feel like maybe there's some kind of classic literary term for initially rejecting one's abilities or duty...

 

[RAE072]

Looks like the FF to me.

Read some better comics.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Umm blue and black evoke emotion. You know nothing of film or color theory if you cant comprehend that...

Colors play a massive part of evoking what you want the audience to feel and enhance whats happening in your story. What message you want to get across. They just arn't "there for the sake of being there"

 

[Picard Stewart]

Read some better comics.

So you got a rock guy, a stretchy dude, an invisible girl and a fire guy staring into an interdimensional portal. Sounds like...Alpha Flight?

Nah, its obviously The Fantastic Four.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Been hearing awful things about this movie, but the trailer peaked my interest.

 

[Zarex]

So you got a rock guy, a stretchy dude, an invisible girl and a fire guy staring into an interdimensional portal. Sounds like...Alpha Flight?

Nah, its obviously The Fantastic Four.

I haven't read any of the comics in which the team is made up of three twenty something dudes born within one year of each other and consists of an African American Johnny decked out in vents, his white step sister Sue, their skinny little baseball playing pal Benji and spring suited Reed. Outside of that, it was if they leapt right off the pages of the Worlds Greatest Comic Magazine.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

So you got a rock guy, a stretchy dude, an invisible girl and a fire guy staring into an interdimensional portal. Sounds like...Alpha Flight?

Nah, its obviously The Fantastic Four.

You think just like fox.. the powers make the characters. Everything else is give or take.

*glares at 70% of the x-men*

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Trailer looks fantastic. Can't say I didn't expect it to be with such a talented crew behind it. Never bought into the online nonsense about the film being bad just because it wasn't part of Disney's Marvel franchise.

Easily my most anticipated film of 2015, with Star Wars and Avengers right behind it.

Did you create your account just to promote this movie?

 

[JAK®]

Well, I have to hand it to FOX in regards to the marketing. They deliberately left it this long so that expectations were at an all time low, so that this mediocre trailer looks amazing in comparison. And a lot of you fell for it.

A sci-fi horror Fantastic Four. Absolutely laughable.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I'm amazed that someone can slap together some dark hallway pictures, a truck driving through a field ripped from Interstellar, a plane flying over hills ripped from TDKR, a deep voiceover, some generic music, and suddenly fans are slobbering and fawning all over the place as if they've had some profound experience and this is a work of high art.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Sure you can. Speaking of Burton, see Tim Burton’s BATMAN. Changed an entire generation’s perception of a character, and introduced them to a version they largely weren’t aware of. And it was the version that many of the die-hard fans felt was more in line with the "correct" vision of the character, a darker, more intense and serious one.

I wish people would stop using Batman as an analogy for every superhero or fantasy franchise. Just because it worked with Batman doesn't mean it'll work for Plastic Man, or Booster Gold, or Flash muthaflippin' Gordon.

"Dark and grounded... worked with Batman... let's do it here!"

 

[antonydelfini]

I didnt get a Jack Kirby-Stan Lee/ Byrne/ Waid tone and spirit from the trailer, but it felt more like the acclaimed Hickman FF run and some UFF.

 

[JAK®]

Kirby or nothing.

 

[Zant]

Did you create your account just to promote this movie?

Why are people being picked on for their positive comments? Its getting a bit desperate now.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't see why people can't just leave the people who enjoyed the trailer alone. I miss the positive thread.

 

[Picard Stewart]

I haven't read any of the comics in which the team is made up of three twenty something dudes born within one year of each other and consists of an African American Johnny decked out in vents, his white step sister Sue, their skinny little baseball playing pal Benji and spring suited Reed. Outside of that, it was if they leapt right off the pages of the Worlds Greatest Comic Magazine.

Ultimate Fantastic Four. If you don't see it in the trailer then I can't help you.

And how are people still upset about Johnny being black? Jordan's a great actor. Plus as demonstrated in the trailer, once he's on fire - his skin color is irrelevant.

 

[Dasher10]

Ultimate Fantastic Four. If you don't see it in the trailer then I can't help you.

And how are people still upset about Johnny being black? Jordan's a great actor. Plus as demonstrated in the trailer, once he's on fire - his skin color is irrelevant.

This. Heimdall was made black. Bane was made white. this stuff happens all the time. What matters is that the actors can play their roles.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Most upcoming Marvel/DC movies have got a race-changed character.

Avengers 2 = Heimdall
Fantastic Four = Johnny Storm
Suicide Squad = Deadshot
Batman v Superman = Perry White
X-Men Apocalypse = Apocalypse
Doctor Strange = Chiwetel Ejiofors character, most likely

Looking at TV

Daredevil = Ben Ulrich
Supergirl = Jimmy Olsen

It's more common than uncommon.

 

[2094]

I really wish people would stop bashing on other peoples excitement for this movie. We all want this movie to be good regardless.

 

[First Avenger]

I'm amazed that someone can slap together some dark hallway pictures, a truck driving through a field ripped from Interstellar, a plane flying over hills ripped from TDKR, a deep voiceover, some generic music, and suddenly fans are slobbering and fawning all over the place as if they've had some profound experience and this is a work of high art.

Apparently those are the only movies worth seeing around these parts.

 

[RAE072]

I really wish people would stop bashing on other peoples excitement for this movie. We all want this movie to be good regardless.

Ha who's bashing anybody's excitement? Some people are crapping on a bland trailer for being bland.

If you can't handle that...wow.

 

[antonydelfini]

Kirby or nothing.

For me, Hickman's FF is incredibly cinematic. Lots of highconcept hard sci fi cosmic adventures and explorations, lots of emotional family and character arcs, still with humor but with a more somber and nuanced tone, more gravitas. It seems to be what Trank is going for.

Dont get me wrong, my ideal FF movie is Kirby-Lee/Waid-ish in tone and spirit, but a Jonathan Hickman influenced fF movie is great as well for me.

 

[Picard Stewart]

Can't stop looking at these. So awesome.

 

[psylockolussus]

Wow it looks fant4stic!

Btw, I have a new av4t4r!