Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - Part 23

[Willie Lumpkin]

Well at least the message is consistent.

It's clear this is going to be a story about a bunch of young people struggling to deal with mutations. It will only have a very superficial resemblance to Fantastic Four. I've almost certainly been wasting my time thinking I'd get to see a Fantastic Four movie any time soon.

 

[coolmovies]

That's why I said to forget about it. It will affect your mental peace.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

On the surface DOFP is a great film. However if you dig deeper, you'll see the lazy written script and headcratching plot issues. When I first saw it, I was like wow that's a big step forward for the X-Men franchise. However, when I sat to analyze it, it just isn't a great movie. Good performances? Yes, definitely. Good action? It was okay. The writing and plot structure was nonsensical at times. Singer saved the movie not Kinberg. FC was better. X-2 was even better. That's a great movie IMO.

Yes! Exactly! Thank you for saying this. I'm glad to see there are people out there who think for themselves and don't blindly follow the masses.

DOFP was entertaining - provided you check your brain at the door - but it was by no means a masterpiece. This is also why I continue to maintain that Kinberg is a terrible writer and him being so heavily involved with Fanfourstick is not a good thing.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Kinberg is a terrible writer and him being so heavily involved with Fanfourstick is not a good thing.

I wouldn't go that far, but his writing resume' is certainly weak.

I think Trank is a talented director, but I think the direction he's taking this is completely wrong.

And no matter how much any of us do or don't think of Kinberg and Trank, we've seen the trailer, we've seen the interviews, we've seen the leaked images, we've seen the stills. There's nothing to like here.

If I had to find anything positive in all this, I think the one thing that might be okay is the look of the Thing . . . and even there, I have my doubts.

 

[coolmovies]

Next trailer will be released before May.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Next trailer will be released before May.

I would infer that means April and not next week, but feel free to specify.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yes! Exactly! Thank you for saying this. I'm glad to see there are people out there who think for themselves and don't blindly follow the masses.

DOFP was entertaining - provided you check your brain at the door - but it was by no means a masterpiece. This is also why I continue to maintain that Kinberg is a terrible writer and him being so heavily involved with Fanfourstick is not a good thing.

Fox should change the name of this movie to Fan4sticit2U. Because that's what they're doing.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

My mind is made up. Everyone involved in this production either is embarrassed by or just simply hates the subject matter on which FFINO is presumably based. It represents an enormous leap backwards for the genre, and everyone enjoying the current golden age of comicbook movies should hope it fails badly.

I mean if it's this bad with just the four, Doom, and Mole Man, then what if they had to get down to the really out there stuff like Galactus, Silver Surfer, and Annihilus?

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I wouldn't go that far, but his writing resume' is certainly weak.

I think Trank is a talented director, but I think the direction he's taking this is completely wrong.

And no matter how much any of us do or don't think of Kinberg and Trank, we've seen the trailer, we've seen the interviews, we've seen the leaked images, we've seen the stills. There's nothing to like here.

If I had to find anything positive in all this, I think the one thing that might be okay is the look of the Thing . . . and even there, I have my doubts.

No Kinberg is a hack. I don't understand his rise at Fox. What has Kinberg done? Seriously? We saw what happened when Kinberg worked without Bryan Singer on the X-Men. He nearly killed the franchise.

 

[coolmovies]

I would infer that means April and not next week, but feel free to specify.

Friend said his team is working on specific fx shots that the studio wants ready for next trailer, which they plan on releasing soon. He said sometime end of April if things go smoothly.

 

[Dark Raven]

I mean if it's this bad with just the four, Doom, and Mole Man, then what if they had to get down to the really out there stuff like Galactus, Silver Surfer, and Annihilus?

I don't think Galactus will ever be a cloud service where Sue has uploaded her nude pics now, because Trank will ensure she's nothing like that ****ty secretary to do such a thing.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Friend said his team is working on specific fx shots that the studio wants ready for next trailer, which they plan on releasing soon. He said sometime end of April if things go smoothly.

I'm just stupid enough to continue to hope I'll see something good in the next one.

 

[Zarex]

That's why I said to forget about it. It will affect your mental peace.

For many of us, venting about FFINO on these message boards adds to our mental peace.

 

[coolmovies]

You know what I find funny about this movie? The director and fan4 actors are born so close to each other. First MBj, then Josh, miles., today...is Kate's birthday and sometime mid march is Jamie's.

Hahahaha,.......I wouldn't be shocked if Josh was also looking at date of birth while casting them.

 

[UltraSuperGuy]

A snippet of Teller's latest comments on playing Reed (From Empire):

"As for how fans should expect to see Mister Fantastic's powers portrayed in this version, it does sound like it will be a little less cartoonish than the previous movies and the comics. "If he's this gummy guy slinging around, it looks ridiculous," the actor claimed before adding: "What does that feel like for a young guy, to have no control over his body?"

I know what I think of that...The rest of you can make up your own minds.

And think about how cool and creative the action scenes of Elasti-Girl are in The Incredibles. That's what we should be seeing in Mr. Fantastic. And that's what we WON'T be seeing in this movie.

 

[Tony Stark]

Do we really have to discredit DOFP in order to discredit Kinberg? Seriously, is the hate for FF that strong?

No one is discrediting DOFP. I like that movie. The writing wasn't that good and there were a ton of plot holes you could park a Mack truck in. However it's enjoyable for the fanbase and get's back to more of the elements that made the first two films work.

Kinberg isn't a good writer, and when someone tried to credit him with Sherlock Holmes, I just about lost it. Yes he is a credited writer, but it was Michael Robert Johnson who was the story writer and the primary screenplay writer.

 

[Tony Stark]

And think about how cool and creative the action scenes of Elasti-Girl are in The Incredibles. That's what we should be seeing in Mr. Fantastic. And that's what we WON'T be seeing in this movie.

I agree. You got a taste of it in the first FF film at the end fight against Doom but it's less that 2 min. Reed's stretching abilities were even less used in the second film, and the effects were worse (like the dancing scene).

They needed more of it and we got less, and now all you're going to see is Reed stretching his limbs.

 

[Dark Raven]

A snippet of Teller's latest comments on playing Reed (From Empire):

"As for how fans should expect to see Mister Fantastic's powers portrayed in this version, it does sound like it will be a little less cartoonish than the previous movies and the comics. "If he's this gummy guy slinging around, it looks ridiculous," the actor claimed before adding: "What does that feel like for a young guy, to have no control over his body?"

I know what I think of that...The rest of you can make up your own minds.

Translated: we don't have the budget to make it look good so we'll just say it looks dumb and that we're deliberately not going for that approach.

 

[Tony Stark]

This is just like when Tim Burton was going to make his Superman film and he didn't want him flying. He wanted to make sure that there were hardly any scenes with him flying.

Teller's quote is pretty much all the proof I need to know that this production team sucks.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

No one is discrediting DOFP. I like that movie. The writing wasn't that good and there were a ton of plot holes you could park a Mack truck in. However it's enjoyable for the fanbase and get's back to more of the elements that made the first two films work.

Kinberg isn't a good writer, and when someone tried to credit him with Sherlock Holmes, I just about lost it. Yes he is a credited writer, but it was Michael Robert Johnson who was the story writer and the primary screenplay writer.

Let's put it this way: Compare the X-Men films that had Brian Singer, but not Simon Kinberg to the ones that had Simon Kinberg and no Brian Singer.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

This is just like when Tim Burton was going to make his Superman film and he didn't want him flying. He wanted to make sure that there were hardly any scenes with him flying.

Teller's quote is pretty much all the proof I need to know that this production team sucks.

And yet some fans worship Burton's Batman designs. I guess some people are better at some characters than others.

 

[Tony Stark]

Batman was definitely a better fit for Burton with his dark motif that runs through his pictures. It fit well for Batman, but was a bad match for Superman. I like Nicholas Cage, but as Superman?

However outrageous you think Reed's stretching abilities were, Jack Kirby pushed them to the brink. To reign them in is a betrayal of the comics and the character. Reed was the only fighting pacifist in the Marvel Universe (well Silver Surfer as well), but his powers fit that to a mold. He could fight people and incapacitate them without harming them.

 

[psylockolussus]

You know what I find funny about this movie? The director and fan4 actors are born so close to each other. First MBj, then Josh, miles., today...is Kate's birthday and sometime mid march is Jamie's.

Hahahaha,.......I wouldn't be shocked if Josh was also looking at date of birth while casting them.

Nah... I am sure thats just a coincidence.

 

[Theweepeople]

On the surface DOFP is a great film. However if you dig deeper, you'll see the lazy written script and headcratching plot issues. When I first saw it, I was like wow that's a big step forward for the X-Men franchise. However, when I sat to analyze it, it just isn't a great movie. Good performances? Yes, definitely. Good action? It was okay. The writing and plot structure was nonsensical at times. Singer saved the movie not Kinberg. FC was better. X-2 was even better. That's a great movie IMO.

I enjoyed DOFP but, I have to agree with you on most of these points. The most frustrating thing about the film is it barely tried to fix any of the continuity issues of the previous films.

No explanation as to how Xavier came back is extremely lazy writing. There are a couple of ways the writing could have explained this but, the people involved were way too lazy or incompetent for this.

Another extremely annoying plot hole is how much Stryker's physical appearance changes in these films. He went from a 5foot7 dude, to a 6 foot 3 guy in his 50s, to a pudgy 60s looking dude in the past. Then he became a 6foot 1 looking guy in his 20s with a reference back to his five foot seven frame. Now that's called closely paying attention to details.

 

[Orba]

Batman was definitely a better fit for Burton with his dark motif that runs through his pictures. It fit well for Batman, but was a bad match for Superman. I like Nicholas Cage, but as Superman.

I tend to think of all of Burton's films as being dark fairy tales.