Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - Part 23

[Tony Stark]

I know, but I'm just not sure how many kudos Penn deserves for The Avengers.

He deserves none, just as Kinberg deserves none for Sherlock Holmes. They are both listed as screen writers on a formality that is contractually obligated with the screen writers guild.

If any writer works on a project for any amount of time, if any idea concept or revision is made, no matter how small they are obligated to list them in the credits.

Penn's script for Avengers was tossed, there's literally nothing there. This was the guy that had Hawkeye using traquilizer tipped arrows to control the Hulk. That was his job on the Avengers in Penn's script.

Kinberg was an editor on Sherlock Holmes, Michael Robert Johnson was the primary screen and story writer. The rest of the credit goes to the actors and Guy Ritchie. Kinberg deserves very little credit on that film.

 

[TeeKay]

Plus him and Zak Penn with The Last Stand (though The Avengers proved that Penn was the better writer of the two for the former)

Joss rewrote the entire Avengers script twice. Penn only gets "story credit".

 

[Jason Kane]

He deserves none, just as Kinberg deserves none for Sherlock Holmes. They are both listed as screen writers on a formality that is contractually obligated with the screen writers guild.

If any writer works on a project for any amount of time, if any idea concept or revision is made, no matter how small they are obligated to list them in the credits.

Penn's script for Avengers was tossed, there's literally nothing there. This was the guy that had Hawkeye using traquilizer tipped arrows to control the Hulk. That was his job on the Avengers in Penn's script.

Kinberg was an editor on Sherlock Holmes, Michael Robert Johnson was the primary screen and story writer. The rest of the credit goes to the actors and Guy Ritchie. Kinberg deserves very little credit on that film.

OMFG!!! That's equally worse as having Rogue take the Cure.

 

[Havok83]

LOL...something cant be worse yet equal at the same time

 

[Human Torch]

So when can I pre buy my tickets?

I don't think you'll need to worry about this film selling out,Sam.t:


Question: How much will the box office drop be the following weekend? Can it beat AngHulk's record?

 

[RAE072]

I don't think you'll need to worry about this film selling out,Sam.t:


Question: How much will the box office drop be the following weekend? Can it beat AngHulk's record?

65%, give or take.

I'll hope for higher though.

 

[Paradox1]

You can certainly keep hope alive.

 

[wobbly]

Question: How much will the box office drop be the following weekend? Can it beat AngHulk's record?

I'd guess probably not. Ang Lee's Hulk had a record opening for a June release at the time, and given the film itself a big drop from that at the next weekend wasn't a great surprise.

I doubt this will open to anything close to record breaking numbers so it's next week drop probably won't be as dramatic.

I'd guess this will perform similar to Maze Runner (lower than 50% drops). Seems geared to that same kind of audience. Might get a bump from brand recognition (though that can go the other way too being a reboot and all).

 

[Dasher10]

Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the direction of the film?

1. The tone and genre is similar to Hickman's.

2. The film is character driven like Mark Waid's run.

3. Sue is based on John Byrne's version.

4. The comic is based on the origin of the UFF since the 616 origin is a bit dated.

5. The premise of the FF having traumatic transformations and being explorers of the unknown is taken straight from Stan Lee.

It's like a checklist of elements of the most popular FF runs that resonated with fans. The Tim Story films took the bright colors from the comic and based the films tonally off of Walt Simonson's run which was successful for poking fun at comics and superheros and ramming home how silly and ridiculous the Marvel U in general is when taken at face value.

The main problem with that is that the Simonson FF only work when you have everything else being dark and gritty which is hard when you have films like Kingsman and Guardians representing CBMs. It took place from 1989-1991 when being as grim as possible was en vogue. Walt Simonson was trying to parody the trends of the time. I'd much rather have the FF portrayed seriously (as long as the film is done well) than something that's just like the Tim Story movies but with a better script.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Aww c'mon, nobody liked my 'Harold of Galactus' joke? Tough crowd.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I liked it whiskey

 

[Cagefighterkip]

Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the direction of the film?

1. The tone and genre is similar to Hickman's.

2. The film is character driven like Mark Waid's run.

3. Sue is based on John Byrne's version.

4. The comic is based on the origin of the UFF since the 616 origin is a bit dated.

5. The premise of the FF having traumatic transformations and being explorers of the unknown is taken straight from Stan Lee.

It's like a checklist of elements of the most popular FF runs that resonated with fans. The Tim Story films took the bright colors from the comic and based the films tonally off of Walt Simonson's run which was successful for poking fun at comics and superheros and ramming home how silly and ridiculous the Marvel U in general is when taken at face value.

The main problem with that is that the Simonson FF only work when you have everything else being dark and gritty which is hard when you have films like Kingsman and Guardians representing CBMs. It took place from 1989-1991 when being as grim as possible was en vogue. Walt Simonson was trying to parody the trends of the time. I'd much rather have the FF portrayed seriously (as long as the film is done well) than something that's just like the Tim Story movies but with a better script.

I don't have ANY problems with the direction either sir, I love this entire post. Thank you sir. You're good people. Positivity just isn't hip these days, it seems.

 

[RAE072]

Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the direction of the film?

Was that really a question that needed asking?

Positivity just isn't hip these days, it seems.

 

[psylockolussus]

Marvel worked hard to get Namor back.

I don't know about that. Universal never released a Namor film so I guess the rights just went back to Marvel, though I read somewhere if Marvel Studios is to make a Namor film, Universal would still be the one to distribute it kinda like with the Hulk?

 

[DarthDaveBanner]

I'm just curious...how would people feel if Trank actually included Galactus in this film and he was portrayed once again as a cloud? Would it suddenly not be a bad idea because it is part of his vision?

 

[Fincher]

I'm just curious...how would people feel if Trank actually included Galactus in this film and he was portrayed once again as a cloud? Would it suddenly not be a bad idea because it is part of his vision?

I don't know that this is directed at me, but while I haven't seen Silver Surfer and can't speak to the execution, I don't see anything inherently bad about the idea of Earth being threatened by a sentient cloud (keep in mind I don't care about comic book accuracy). It sounds like the plot to a Star Trek movie, and given that this is supposed to be contemplative science fiction, it wouldn't feel out of place. By comparison, a purple helmeted giant man would feel very out of place. A humanoid version could certainly be done, but would require some significant adaptation to work.

In my case, it isn't that nothing this movie can do could kill my interest, but rather that my standards for judging it are very different from some of you.

 

[wobbly]

I don't know that this is directed at me, but while I haven't seen Silver Surfer and can't speak to the execution, I don't see anything inherently bad about the idea of Earth being threatened by a sentient cloud (keep in mind I don't care about comic book accuracy). It sounds like the plot to a Star Trek movie, and given that this is supposed to be contemplative science fiction, it wouldn't feel out of place. By comparison, a purple helmeted giant man would feel very out of place. A humanoid version could certainly be done, but would require some significant adaptation to work.

In my case, it isn't that nothing this movie can do could kill my interest, but rather that my standards for judging it are very different from some of you.

It was the plot for a Star Trek movie, the first one (Star Trek: The Motion Picture). This massive cloud was devastating everything in it's path on its way to Earth, the newly refitted Enterprise was sent out to intercept and stop it, and they found out there was a giant intelligent ship inside, called V'Ger.

They found out at the end the source for the ship was one of the old NASA Voyager probes (was presumed to have been found by a sentient machine race who upgraded the thing and sent it home).

So 'sentient cloud' was done before in FF: RTOSS, sentient machine (hidden by cloud) done before in Star Trek (and a planet consuming ship was used in the old series as well). I don't think giant armoured planet eating Alien has been done yet beyond the dead Celestial head and the cameo of a live one in action in in GOTG.

My bet if they do go with Galactus later on, it will the UFF Gah-Lak-Tus 'swarm'. Millions of robot drones with a hive mind that resemble the shape of the classic helmet. That concept is more in line with the Borg than the more unique classic idea, but given the tone of this one I doubt they will consider the classic version.

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

What if Galactus is a giant, purple bulldog?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I liked it whiskey

You were always my favorite!

 

[coolmovies]

Mod Edit: Your attempt to bring that particular subject up again....FAILED!

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the direction of the film?

1. The tone and genre is similar to Hickman's.

2. The film is character driven like Mark Waid's run.

3. Sue is based on John Byrne's version.

4. The comic is based on the origin of the UFF since the 616 origin is a bit dated.

5. The premise of the FF having traumatic transformations and being explorers of the unknown is taken straight from Stan Lee.

It's like a checklist of elements of the most popular FF runs that resonated with fans. The Tim Story films took the bright colors from the comic and based the films tonally off of Walt Simonson's run which was successful for poking fun at comics and superheros and ramming home how silly and ridiculous the Marvel U in general is when taken at face value.

The main problem with that is that the Simonson FF only work when you have everything else being dark and gritty which is hard when you have films like Kingsman and Guardians representing CBMs. It took place from 1989-1991 when being as grim as possible was en vogue. Walt Simonson was trying to parody the trends of the time. I'd much rather have the FF portrayed seriously (as long as the film is done well) than something that's just like the Tim Story movies but with a better script.

Some of that sounds interesting but how in the world did you get all that from a generic trailer? Also I don't agree at all that the FF classic origin is dated. Teleportation into alternate dimensions is more relevant than privatized space travel??? And who said we needed the film to be an origin at all? Traumatic transformations like Stan Lee? Yeah for Ben. Everyone else got over it after issue #1. A lot of this nonsense stems purely from Trank's ideas for a film and he doesn't get the FF. At least nothing I've seen or heard thus far leads me to believe that is the case.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Aww c'mon, nobody liked my 'Harold of Galactus' joke? Tough crowd.

Haha. I'll admit I chuckled.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

It was the plot for a Star Trek movie, the first one (Star Trek: The Motion Picture). This massive cloud was devastating everything in it's path on its way to Earth, the newly refitted Enterprise was sent out to intercept and stop it, and they found out there was a giant intelligent ship inside, called V'Ger.

They found out at the end the source for the ship was one of the old NASA Voyager probes (was presumed to have been found by a sentient machine race who upgraded the thing and sent it home).

So 'sentient cloud' was done before in FF: RTOSS, sentient machine (hidden by cloud) done before in Star Trek (and a planet consuming ship was used in the old series as well). I don't think giant armoured planet eating Alien has been done yet beyond the dead Celestial head and the cameo of a live one in action in in GOTG.

My bet if they do go with Galactus later on, it will the UFF Gah-Lak-Tus 'swarm'. Millions of robot drones with a hive mind that resemble the shape of the classic helmet. That concept is more in line with the Borg than the more unique classic idea, but given the tone of this one I doubt they will consider the classic version.

Am I the only FF fan here that hates Gah Lak Tus? Ellis' entire storyline sucked to me and I loathed his interpretation of the character as a swarm. However I tend to loathe the Ultimates in general.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Am I the only FF fan here that hates Gah Lak Tus? Ellis' entire storyline sucked to me and I loathed his interpretation of the character as a swarm. However I tend to loathe the Ultimates in general.

I hate Ultimate. I hate Gah Lak Tus.

. . . but from what we've seen so far from this production, we'll be lucky to get anything half as good as Ultimate.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I hate Ultimate. I hate Gah Lak Tus.

. . . but from what we've seen so far from this production, we'll be lucky to get anything half as good as Ultimate.

Ok - whew! Glad I'm not the only one. Since I'm not embracing Trank's "vision" for this film, I'm beginning to feel kind of "dated" around here myself.