Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - Part 23

[Tony Stark]

Am I the only FF fan here that hates Gah Lak Tus? Ellis' entire storyline sucked to me and I loathed his interpretation of the character as a swarm. However I tend to loathe the Ultimates in general.

There are bits and pieces of the Ultimate universe that I don't mind. I did enjoy reading Ultimates and Ultimates 2, and I like parts of Ultimate Spider-man. I hate the UFF though and I hate Gah Lak Tus. I also hate that they turned Silver Surfer into a female version of Vision. The whole bit is rather silly.

 

[wobbly]

Am I the only FF fan here that hates Gah Lak Tus? Ellis' entire storyline sucked to me and I loathed his interpretation of the character as a swarm. However I tend to loathe the Ultimates in general.

Not alone. I hated it too. That's largely why I think they would go with it...

 

[Tony Stark]

Not alone. I hated it too. That's largely why I think they would go with it...

Agreed, this is the group who think Reed's stretching powers are silly, so why would they want a 50 ft tall man with a purple spiky helmet.

 

[coolmovies]

Why did my post get deleted? Did I attack someone here or point to a particular person here? Proper justification of deleting the post would be appreciated.

 

[Jordacar]

There are bits and pieces of the Ultimate universe that I don't mind. I did enjoy reading Ultimates and Ultimates 2, and I like parts of Ultimate Spider-man. I hate the UFF though and I hate Gah Lak Tus. I also hate that they turned Silver Surfer into a female version of Vision. The whole bit is rather silly.

Do you mean turned Vision into a female version of Silver Surfer?

 

[Kelly]

Why did my post get deleted? Did I attack someone here or point to a particular person here? Proper justification of deleting the post would be appreciated.

Explanation was left in the mod edit. No justification needed, a subject that has brought quite a bit of contention to these forums was once again brought up for no reason other than to start that fire again. That fire was put out, and will stay out.

We already have enough disruption of the forums with negative vs. positive, your post was nothing more than flame to the fire.

That is all of the discussion we will have on this....

Move on.

 

[Dasher10]

Thankfully, Fox did Ultimate Galactus last time and we'll get the 616 version if the film supports sequels. That or Galactus' current incarnation which is a merged version of 616 and Ultimate.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

Am I the only FF fan here that hates Gah Lak Tus? Ellis' entire storyline sucked to me and I loathed his interpretation of the character as a swarm. However I tend to loathe the Ultimates in general.

Gah Lak Tus was HORRIBLE and I believe that led to the creation of the 'Galactus Cloud' - so it was doubly wrong.

I like some of the concepts from UFF, and some were just plain bad. Overall, it was an average series.

The most successful arc - the Zombie Fantastic Four. I can't say that I enjoyed those characters, but you can't deny that the series spawned by their arcs in the UFF were a success.

In the end, though, they took familiar names of characters from 616 universe and warped them into things that were totally foreign, rather than just taking those foreign entities and making them all new characters.

 

[Kelly]

Gah Lak Tus was HORRIBLE and I believe that led to the creation of the 'Galactus Cloud' - so it was doubly wrong.

I like some of the concepts from UFF, and some were just plain bad. Overall, it was an average series.

The most successful arc - the Zombie Fantastic Four. I can't say that I enjoyed those characters, but you can't deny that the series spawned by their arcs in the UFF were a success.

In the end, though, they took familiar names of characters from 616 universe and warped them into things that were totally foreign, rather than just taking those foreign entities and making them all new characters.

I agree, I always thought that Ultimate Galactus was the idea for that damn cloud....lol BUT....I also thought that they could have made it an extremely menacing, world dominating villain, and in the end all it took was some sweet talking from Sue to send the SS on a suicide mission. In the end the F4 had absolutely nothing to do with saving the earth, all they did was totally destroy a street in China, or Japan, or wherever the hell they were.

 

[Dasher10]

I agree, I always thought that Ultimate Galactus was the idea for that damn cloud....lol BUT....I also thought that they could have made it an extremely menacing, world dominating villain, and in the end all it took was some sweet talking from Sue to send the SS on a suicide mission. In the end the F4 had absolutely nothing to do with saving the earth, all they did was totally destroy a street in China, or Japan, or wherever the hell they were.

Yeah, adopting elements of Ultimate Extinction is something I would approve of, just not Ultimate Galactus. I don't want a repeat of Rise of the Silver Surfer.

IMO, do it like this. Silver Surfer Spin-off where the Surfer fights The Fallen One but is unable to stop Galactus himself, so he vows to serve Galactus as his new herald.

Second film as a team-up between the Fantastic Four and X-Men where both team up to fight Galactus and Surfer.

Both would feature the REAL Galactus.

 

[Destructus86]

Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the direction of the film?

1. The tone and genre is similar to Hickman's.

2. The film is character driven like Mark Waid's run.

3. Sue is based on John Byrne's version.

4. The comic is based on the origin of the UFF since the 616 origin is a bit dated.

5. The premise of the FF having traumatic transformations and being explorers of the unknown is taken straight from Stan Lee.

It's like a checklist of elements of the most popular FF runs that resonated with fans. The Tim Story films took the bright colors from the comic and based the films tonally off of Walt Simonson's run which was successful for poking fun at comics and superheros and ramming home how silly and ridiculous the Marvel U in general is when taken at face value.

The main problem with that is that the Simonson FF only work when you have everything else being dark and gritty which is hard when you have films like Kingsman and Guardians representing CBMs. It took place from 1989-1991 when being as grim as possible was en vogue. Walt Simonson was trying to parody the trends of the time. I'd much rather have the FF portrayed seriously (as long as the film is done well) than something that's just like the Tim Story movies but with a better script.

Based on the trailer this will be the perfect movie to watch while drunk with friends.

 

[Cagefighterkip]

...In the end the F4 had absolutely nothing to do with saving the earth, all they did was totally destroy a street in China, or Japan, or wherever the hell they were.

It was Japan, and as someone of mostly Asian descent... "China or Japan or wherever the hell they were" sounds super racist and comes off as really REALLY offensive.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Oh no, someone can't remember a specific geographical detail about a seven year old movie! Seems to me like you're looking very hard for something to be offended about.

 

[Cagefighterkip]

Oh no, someone can't remember a specific geographical detail about a seven year old movie! Seems to me like you're looking too hard for something to be offended about.

Or perhaps China and Japan AREN'T interchangeable just because we're Asian. It had less to do with geographical detail and more about the phrasing of it... because it sounded pretty bad.

EDIT: NVM it doesn't even matter. I shouldn't have said anything.

 

[Orba]

It was Japan, and as someone of mostly Asian descent... "China or Japan or wherever the hell they were" sounds super racist and comes off as really REALLY offensive.

Are you sure? The wedding at the end appears to be Japan but the city they fight in seemed to be within sight of the Great Wall since that was where they were fighting right before.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It was Japan, and as someone of mostly Asian descent... "China or Japan or wherever the hell they were" sounds super racist and comes off as really REALLY offensive.

Oh no, someone can't remember a specific geographical detail about a seven year old movie! Seems to me like you're looking very hard for something to be offended about.

The funny part is it was Shanghai.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

http://barrykootchin.com/fantastic-4-rise-of-the-silver-surfer-shanghai-streets/

 

[Cagefighterkip]

The funny part is it was Shanghai.

Hm, they fly around a lot, but by the ending they were in Japan (where they get married). My mistake.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Hm, they fly around a lot, but by the ending they were in Japan (where they get married). My mistake.

So you understand Kelly's confusion, right?

 

[Cagefighterkip]

So you understand Kelly's confusion, right?

Well, as I said it had to do with his phrasing over the actual geographical location, but as I also said... I shouldn't have said anything about race at all.

 

[GoblinScrier]

So long as Fox possesses this franchise, you won't be seeing accurate 616 portrayals of any of the key players....if they can't get Doom right, Galactus will be impossible for them....however, look at the beautiful accurate Celestial we got in Guardians....just picture a Galactus of that magnitude attacking the Avengers and the F4 with multiple heralds backing him, all the while a comic book accurate Doom uses his brilliance to steal Galactus's powers....

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I think the problem with Galactus in live-action is the same thing that got people with Clash of the Titans Kraken.

If you build up a fight with a humanoid, giant then you can't really have the movie end with them talking it out. The whole, Doom steals the Surfer's board was stupid. A giant cloud is about to destroy the Earth, what are you fighting about?

How to dodge the anti-climatic ending is what someone has to solve.

 

[Kelly]

It was Japan, and as someone of mostly Asian descent... "China or Japan or wherever the hell they were" sounds super racist and comes off as really REALLY offensive.

No, I could not tell, ever...because according to many of the write ups it was CHINA....I first thought it was China, until the wedding scene, and then I thought that looked Japanese to me, so I honestly did not know.

Do not go around calling people racists unless you know for sure...

It was not a slam on people of Asian descent, it was the simple fact that it was never clearly said in the movie. ESPECIALLY since it was said in the trades that they filmed it in China town. So, when I saw the wedding, it made it very confusing.

So, once again, do not go around calling people racist unless you damn well know for sure that that was their motive. In this case, IT WAS NOT.

 

[sleekstereo]

Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the direction of the film?

1. The tone and genre is similar to Hickman's.

2. The film is character driven like Mark Waid's run.

3. Sue is based on John Byrne's version.

4. The comic is based on the origin of the UFF since the 616 origin is a bit dated.

5. The premise of the FF having traumatic transformations and being explorers of the unknown is taken straight from Stan Lee.

It's like a checklist of elements of the most popular FF runs that resonated with fans. The Tim Story films took the bright colors from the comic and based the films tonally off of Walt Simonson's run which was successful for poking fun at comics and superheros and ramming home how silly and ridiculous the Marvel U in general is when taken at face value.

The main problem with that is that the Simonson FF only work when you have everything else being dark and gritty which is hard when you have films like Kingsman and Guardians representing CBMs. It took place from 1989-1991 when being as grim as possible was en vogue. Walt Simonson was trying to parody the trends of the time. I'd much rather have the FF portrayed seriously (as long as the film is done well) than something that's just like the Tim Story movies but with a better script.

I'm with you.

Plus, I can't hate a movie until I see it.

 

[Kelly]

I think the problem with Galactus in live-action is the same thing that got people with Clash of the Titans Kraken.

If you build up a fight with a humanoid, giant then you can't really have the movie end with them talking it out. The whole, Doom steals the Surfer's board was stupid. A giant cloud is about to destroy the Earth, what are you fighting about?

How to dodge the anti-climatic ending is what someone has to solve.

And damn, if that's not right out of the comics....