Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - - - - - Part 30

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[wobbly]

Just to clarify, we're not talking about actual scripts and we're not talking about the 'Josh Trank' comments.

It's a discussion by someone who claims to have seen a September 2013 and January 2014 script. I'd put it at roughly 50/50 that it's legit.

It fits everything we know or have seen so far (but any hoaxer would have access to that, so we can't, for example, point to anything that was unknown at the time of publication and revealed after).

There's a lot of very specific discussion of the differences between the two scripts, and that is the primary focus of the discussion. It would be an odd/creative approach by a hoaxer, but that doesn't mean this isn't an odd, creative hoaxer.

And even if this is legit, things are likely to have changed quite a bit since January of 2014 (and that also makes me wonder why a hoaxer wouldn't claim to have something more recent).

IF it is legit, it's an unfortunately boring story with some pretty bad choices, characterizations, and clichéd elements that will sound familiar to anyone who has seen the previous FF films and pretty much any other film ever, but one small bright spot is

Spoiler

An involvement with Annihilus - though it seems like we probably won't see much of him (he plays a role that is both comically and depressingly similar to the Thanos role in Avengers - in fact this story sounds like a mash-up of Tim Story FF1 and Avengers with the worst elements taken from each.) .

Yeah I'm on the fence as to whether this guy is for real or a hoaxer. They do basically reveal they are with OTOY, without expliitly saying so, and some of the technical detail they go into seems more informed (and specific, the non 4k render etc) than I'd expect from a hoax. Citing 2 diferent scripts is also a curious move for a hoax.

That being said I would have thought a key plot point worth a mention would have covered why the Thing is being dropped from a plane (presumably a military op on some base to take out the baddies shooting at him). That may have been an addition they didn't work on though (a rewrite for the reshoots perhaps). The Black suit mission is another point that doesn't seem to be covered.

I think, considering the source, I'd err on the side of caution all the same and consider this a hoax until proven otherwise.

If it is for real then I agree, it's a mess.

 

[Orba]

Yeah I'm on the fence as to whether this guy is for real or a hoaxer. They do basically reveal they are with OTOY, without expliitly saying so, and some of the technical detail they go into seems more informed (and specific, the non 4k render etc) than I'd expect from a hoax. Citing 2 diferent scripts is also a curious move for a hoax.

That being said I would have thought a key plot point worth a mention would have covered why the Thing is being dropped from a plane (presumably a military op on some base to take out the baddies shooting at him). That may have been an addition they didn't work on though (a rewrite for the reshoots perhaps). The Black suit mission is another point that doesn't seem to be covered.

I think, considering the source, I'd err on the side of caution all the same and consider this a hoax until proven otherwise.

If it is for real then I agree, it's a mess.

I wondered about that but I suspect that the Thing drop is from some sort of piece when the military are testing them for use as weapons, and as such the scene while cool looking is not really an important part of the movie's storyline. Also the scripts he is talking about are from well before shooting started so things can change, and one rumour that has been around a lot is that the film was too talky and not enough action, a living weapons test type action scene addition would be an each addition to help up the action quotient without effecting the main storyline.

 

[Farren]

I'm suspicious it's hoaxer due to the OTOY reveal. I know it's not explicit, but when you say your company works with cloud tech and isn't WETA or MPC, you're kind of spelling it out. Granted maybe a real OTOY worker might not know how much VFX information about this film is out there but .... to me it just seems suspicious. Not going to rule it out though.

 

[Flint Marko]

Wouldn't surprise me either way if it was real or not. It's stunning how much of a train wreck this production is.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah I'm on the fence as to whether this guy is for real or a hoaxer. They do basically reveal they are with OTOY, without expliitly saying so, and some of the technical detail they go into seems more informed (and specific, the non 4k render etc) than I'd expect from a hoax. Citing 2 diferent scripts is also a curious move for a hoax.

That being said I would have thought a key plot point worth a mention would have covered why the Thing is being dropped from a plane (presumably a military op on some base to take out the baddies shooting at him). That may have been an addition they didn't work on though (a rewrite for the reshoots perhaps). The Black suit mission is another point that doesn't seem to be covered.

I think, considering the source, I'd err on the side of caution all the same and consider this a hoax until proven otherwise.

If it is for real then I agree, it's a mess.

I think there's also a real possibility that it is combination legit and hoax. For example we were discussing on the closed portion of this thread if it would be likely that an effects person would have the full script.

How do we know it's a full script? The poster might have a partial script with enough information that they can make some specific comments and piece together the story from what they've seen and what is known.

That might be the most likely scenario.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I wondered about that but I suspect that the Thing drop is from some sort of piece when the military are testing them for use as weapons, and as such the scene while cool looking is not really an important part of the movie's storyline. Also the scripts he is talking about are from well before shooting started so things can change, and one rumour that has been around a lot is that the film was too talky and not enough action, a living weapons test type action scene addition would be an each addition to help up the action quotient without effecting the main storyline.

The person who claims to have the script does say

Spoiler

they are being used by the military to fight "mutants" in the Sep draft and "freaks" in the Jan draft. Which sounds like a terrible idea, but it fits many things we've seen and heard up until this point.

 

[Eddie]

If the supposed plot leak is real I suspect a few people in this very forum could have came up with a better script. Hell, a version done for a YouTube budget featuring a deranged villain named Pete with a hot glue gun may have been more entertaining.

 

[Orba]

The person who claims to have the script does say

Spoiler

they are being used by the military to fight "mutants" in the Sep draft and "freaks" in the Jan draft. Which sounds like a terrible idea, but it fits many things we've seen and heard up until this point.

If they were looking to up the amount of action adding in the Thing attack scene from the trailer would have been an easy way for them to go during the reshoots if they had limited use of the main cast. From the looks of things all the action is with the CGI Thing and a bunch of stuntmen and so didn't require any of the main cast, then they just had to get the "real" principle actors in to be filmed while looking at monitors.

 

[Eddie]

If they were looking to up the amount of action adding in the Thing attack scene from the trailer would have been an easy way for them to go during the reshoots if they had limited use of the main cast. From the looks of things all the action is with the CGI Thing and a bunch of stuntmen and so didn't require any of the main cast, then they just had to get the "real" principle actors in to be filmed while looking at monitors.

Another thing that supports this idea is that Kinberg was heavily involved. Operation Dumb Thing Drop looks an awful lot like something Kinberg was working on with DoFP that got scrapped, a scene where Juggernaut gets dropped from a plane. They may have just reused an idea when execs demanded some hastily added action scenes.

 

[Dasher10]

The script leak is also from 4Chan. 95% positive it's a hoax. Particularly since we haven't heard anything about a certain character appearing aside from a brief interview with AMC. That's the big red flag that it's a fake. This close to release is when the cast list on IMDB is finalized.

 

[Eddie]

The script leak is also from 4Chan. 95% positive it's a hoax. Particularly since we haven't heard anything about a certain character appearing aside from a brief interview with AMC. That's the big red flag that it's a fake. This close to release is when the cast list on IMDB is finalized.

Oh it's definitely unlikely (fun to discuss, though, since there have been a few 4chan plot leaks in the past). That said, IMDB cast lists are almost as bad a source of information as 4chan. I'm still waiting for that deleted scene with Jim Carrey as Cletus Kasady, and Christian Bale most certainly did not star in the game Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep.

 

[Drz]

I heard a new rumor that Josh Trank is going door to door to all people dissing him on the internet and unleashing his hounds upon them. What a jerk!

 

[Dasher10]

I heard a new rumor that Josh Trank is going door to door to all people dissing him on the internet and unleashing his hounds upon them. What a jerk!

lol. We'll know what to believe when the film hits theaters and it gets a metacritic score. Remember, if it scores under 60, wait for it on DVD and have Netflix send it to you.

 

[the gael]

Oh it's definitely unlikely (fun to discuss, though, since there have been a few 4chan plot leaks in the past). That said, IMDB cast lists are almost as bad a source of information as 4chan. I'm still waiting for that deleted scene with Jim Carrey as Cletus Kasady, and Christian Bale most certainly did not star in the game Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep.

The best IMDB info to date is still Aunt May / Carnage in Spiderman 3 As for the script leak, well, knowing the 4chan reputation, it's very likely a fake, but the strange thing is... was it really Josh Trank who posted on their site ? His picture was a very bad picture taken from some kind of webcam. Hard to tell if it is photoshoped or not. No sane director would go to a place like 4chan to scream and moan ! But, well, if Trank was sane and logical, we wouldn't have such a strange and shameful production. So, who knows...

 

[Orba]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05...c-four-license-from-xm-studios-in-mid-sculpt/

Those were some damn nice statues too. Hope all this crap gets resolved soon.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[wobbly]

The best IMDB info to date is still Aunt May / Carnage in Spiderman 3 As for the script leak, well, knowing the 4chan reputation, it's very likely a fake, but the strange thing is... was it really Josh Trank who posted on their site ? His picture was a very bad picture taken from some kind of webcam. Hard to tell if it is photoshoped or not. No sane director would go to a place like 4chan to scream and moan ! But, well, if Trank was sane and logical, we wouldn't have such a strange and shameful production. So, who knows...

I'd be utterly amazed if Trank really was dumb enough to a) go to 4chan and commit career suicide, and b) post a '###k you' photo as proof he was indeed there. At least as some random poster there's plausible deniability (in the unlikely event it was him). Providing proof is just insane.

I have seen that webcam photo too and I would think it is a fake (that kind of thing isn't that hard to do and pass off as convincing).

If it was Trank there, however unlikely I think that would be, and the studios know or figure out it was indeed him, he is done.

 

[ThePhantasm]

The way he turns cartoonish red before lighting on fire is really odd looking.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The best IMDB info to date is still Aunt May / Carnage in Spiderman 3 As for the script leak, well, knowing the 4chan reputation, it's very likely a fake, but the strange thing is... was it really Josh Trank who posted on their site ? His picture was a very bad picture taken from some kind of webcam. Hard to tell if it is photoshoped or not. No sane director would go to a place like 4chan to scream and moan ! But, well, if Trank was sane and logical, we wouldn't have such a strange and shameful production. So, who knows...

I'd be utterly amazed if Trank really was dumb enough to a) go to 4chan and commit career suicide, and b) post a '###k you' photo as proof he was indeed there. At least as some random poster there's plausible deniability (in the unlikely event it was him). Providing proof is just insane.

I have seen that webcam photo too and I would think it is a fake (that kind of thing isn't that hard to do and pass off as convincing).

If it was Trank there, however unlikely I think that would be, and the studios know or figure out it was indeed him, he is done.

I would have IMMEDIATELY dismissed it if it had been pretty much anyone else.

But I also would have dismissed his Tweets as not being anything that a sane professional would Tweet . . . but that account is verified.

I still like fake Josh Trank better than real Josh Trank, but I also have to say those 4Chan comments sounded a LOT more like real Josh Trank than fake Josh Trank.

 

[omaompht]

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Don't want to say too much about how I have these nor can I actually post them without giving away proof. I worked on pre-viz artwork based on these and decided that I'd just post some random things because no really noticed. The scripts themselves are watermarked beyond hell with the company name and each has a specific number assigned so there's no way in hell I'm posting anything. The only think I can say without giving it away is that I work for a company that Trank specifically chose and that he's been a headache for us, we use cloud rendering to do motion capture and rendering, and we've worked on several other films but he expected us to push high quality stuff when really we've been 3rd or 4th in line for most of the stuff we do and focus more on digian and game rendering. Things are constantly changing, I'm not working on that anymore so I only have these.

some minor points of contention that I do know about:
-Trank wants the Thing to be big, we tried to stay consistent in size, but he will randomly send notes saying "he has to be bigger here."
so his size is more or less dependent from one scene to the next.
-The think is naked, he has a but, but no rocks on the front to express genitals. He does wear shorts near the end when Reed gives his hero save the day speech.
-We will send him updated effects animations and not hear from him for days or at one point a week and a half for a major scene only to get an email saying we need to change basically everything
-Right now we are twiddling our thumbs because word from the high ups is this:
-The effects they paid for is all they're getting. Anything more, they get more pay, we already did way too much for this; and his inability to be happy will probably ruin the chance of us working with Fox again as they seem to side with him on everything.
-Most of the effects shots are done, but they're not rendered at 4k but in the proofing size of 1.5k
-We've done 4 major films but not a lot of effects work on that
-MP is doing some work as well, don't know about them.
-We focus on mainly video game rendering and software for that but also do some film effects because our software is pretty cool
-Trank picked us our software was used for a few Infamous commercial shorts and we had word that WETA and MP would also be doing most of the work.
- I'm on a project now involving a GPU maker that's all I can say specifically
- Not completely up to date but if the reshoots require any effects beyond minor clean ups then we cannot do them in time (the rumour around here)
- a 3D conversion was supposed to be done by WETA will now either not happen due to a 3 month window, or all of our footage will handed off to Legendary and we're done with it.

He does specifically say that he worked on the project early which is why he only has the two and not a draft later, and actually does say that a lot of what he's heard now is from other people in the company. I'm willing to say given the technical info, the fact that no one really would have OTOY and it was pretty hard to find them doing the effects for the film like why not just claim to be from WETA or something if you're leaking? Some of the technical detailing and things I noticed, like Thing changing sizes.. I'm willing to say he probably does have the bare basics of whats in the movie assuming its changed a lot since sept. Its also weird that he mentions the two drafts one with mutants and one without because I remember hearing somewhere that FF was going to be set in the X-men universe and then it wasn't which either means the leaker has too much time or has two different old copies

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

The way he turns cartoonish red before lighting on fire is really odd looking.

I have a lot of problems with this film but Johnny's flame effect is not one of them.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Trank's Twitter feed looked like a meltdown to me. Very immature. And it irks me to no end when people (now including Trank) continue to try and use the race card to stonewall any criticism of this film. I don't care that MBJ is playing Johnny. It's everything else that is wrong with the film that I care about.

Where is this leaked script everyone's talking about?

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Amazing.

The way he turns cartoonish red before lighting on fire is really odd looking.

Really dude? Really?