Fant4stic Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 31

[Eddie]

There's no way I'm seeing this until the DVD/Blu-ray release.

I'll get the Blu-ray, but I think I'll be picking it up used. If I can't get it used for a reasonable price shortly after release I'll just hold off on seeing it until Netflix or a movie channel we get has it (or the used price goes down).

 

[Wheels]

I'll get the Blu-ray, but I think I'll be picking it up used. If I can't get it used for a reasonable price shortly after release I'll just hold off on seeing it until Netflix or a movie channel we get has it (or the used price goes down).

I'll probably end up getting it from a Redbox first. I see no reason to blind buy it.

 

[Sleiek]

Since we are already talking about blurays, I will just buy it if the movie is good.

 

[Marvin]

Browsing this (entire)last page,
I've never seen an entire page of a fan section entirely dedicated to begrudging a film or reveling in the negative circumstance or it's possibility occurring. Not even in the Bay sections. At least not outside of a dedicated 'skeptic/negatron' thread.
A rare sight to say the least. Mods and new folks and regulars et all.
I honestly feel for the fans of the film that were motivated enough to find this place in hopes of engaging with other fans. Especially if they lack the eloquence or gull to speak up and speak for that which has their excitement.

I mean I even understand such things to a degree happening in the bay sections for there is something to be said for proven track records and experience with prior films. In this scenario, everyone involved(everyone) is coming off of massive and recent cbm and or critical acclaim in a way and this isn't some sequel to trash as is so often the case.

It's a rare thing to see, but then again there seems to be an element of external motivation in all these things as of late.

 

[Best]

Reboot to trash actually.

 

[Wheels]

I think there is a chance I'll enjoy this based on the talent involved but it isn't must see. I don't have a reason to go see this based on my excitement level and the fact I don't make it to the theatre that often.

 

[Orba]

Browsing this (entire)last page,
I've never seen an entire page of a fan section entirely dedicated to begrudging a film or reveling in the negative circumstance or it's possibility occurring. Not even in the Bay sections. At least not outside of a dedicated 'skeptic/negatron' thread.
A rare sight to say the least. Mods and new folks and regulars et all.
I honestly feel for the fans of the film that were motivated enough to find this place in hopes of engaging with other fans. Especially if they lack the eloquence or gull to speak up and speak for that which has their excitement.

I mean I even understand such things to a degree happening in the bay sections for there is something to be said for proven track records and experience with prior films. In this scenario, everyone involved(everyone) is coming off of massive and recent cbm and or critical acclaim in a way and this isn't some sequel to trash as is so often the case.

It's a rare thing to see, but then again there seems to be an element of external motivation in all these things as of late.

Its hard to feel enthusiasm for a film when even those involved in it seem to lack enthusiasm towards it. The cast don't mention it on their twitter, the writer/producer basely mentions it on his, and the Director only goes on to twitter to defend his reputation, never to talk about his film that comes out in less than two months.

 

[fantasticfan]

Its hard to feel enthusiasm for a film when even those involved in it seem to lack enthusiasm towards it. The cast don't mention it on their twitter, the writer/producer basely mentions it on his, and the Director only goes on to twitter to defend his reputation, never to talk about his film that comes out in less than two months.

I can see the lack of social media use by cast and crew being a disappointment to many, especially when other productions in the genre seem to produce a constant stream going from the first day of filming. But what we HAVE seen via social media most recently is being largely ignored here. People have actually seen the movie, and by ALL accounts so far, the buzz is more than positive AND more importantly, indicates that this Fantastic Four film may have actually succeeded in capturing the spirit of the comics and the essence of the characters. The recent poster who said he attended an advance screening and reported good things seemed believable to me -- I would have thought more people here would have asked him questions and/or tried to refute what he reported. I am sure it is fun sport for many here to banter about soda flavors and the various ways one will eventually "see this movie anyway" without selling out and buying a theatre ticket. But it doesn't take much research outside of this forum, or even inside really, to see that this might actually be a good FANTASTIC FOUR movie, not just a good movie.

 

[kevork89]

Browsing this (entire)last page,
I've never seen an entire page of a fan section entirely dedicated to begrudging a film or reveling in the negative circumstance or it's possibility occurring. Not even in the Bay sections. At least not outside of a dedicated 'skeptic/negatron' thread.
A rare sight to say the least. Mods and new folks and regulars et all.
I honestly feel for the fans of the film that were motivated enough to find this place in hopes of engaging with other fans. Especially if they lack the eloquence or gull to speak up and speak for that which has their excitement.

I mean I even understand such things to a degree happening in the bay sections for there is something to be said for proven track records and experience with prior films. In this scenario, everyone involved(everyone) is coming off of massive and recent cbm and or critical acclaim in a way and this isn't some sequel to trash as is so often the case.

It's a rare thing to see, but then again there seems to be an element of external motivation in all these things as of late.

I take my hat off to you.

Thank you. I've been supporting this film but I also can't make anyone support it but I am so looking forward to it. I'm a big fan of MBJ so him being cast was great news. And Teller too. I'll wait to see the film but based on some early test screenings I've read I think it's going to be great.

 

[Marvin]

I had to search back a few pages, I didn't even notice someone posted a positive report from a screening. Lots of soda talk though.
I can only imagine what would have been made of his thoughts report had it been negative.

Reboot to trash actually.

So not a sequel to trash by the same people then?

Its hard to feel enthusiasm for a film when even those involved in it seem to lack enthusiasm towards it. The cast don't mention it on their twitter, the writer/producer basely mentions it on his, and the Director only goes on to twitter to defend his reputation, never to talk about his film that comes out in less than two months.

Here's the thing about that;
Twitter stuff from cast and production isn't some standard the way a press tour is. Lack of a press tour is a sign of something. Lack of a production doing something that is typically done by an exception... then being turned against said production is the classic FFINO thread spin. Where anything that can be negative, is by default.

Imagine how silly this same accusation looks when made about TKDR(for example)?
There is something to be said about not every director being Singer if you will. Unless of course Trank was all over twitter with his Chronicle production. Teller or B. Jordan their last projects? There's also an element of producer twitter activity in the midst of a film that is this rallied against vs one everyone has been supportive of.

Just seems like so obvious I'm even regretting commenting on it now.

 

[starscream22]

Blu-ray purchase and rentals are just another way for Fox to recoup off of this crap.

They're not getting single dime from me in any fashion this year or next. Quality X-Files shows/movie is what they should've been focused on in the first place.

There's your Cinematic universe Fox!

 

[fantasticfan]

If fans can leave expectations at the door and accept some of the changes made in the movie, I think people will be happy. Fantastic Four captures the essence of the comics. The reasons that we love the team for is what makes the film work.

Do you think the film is appropriate for kids? I am specifically interested in ages 10 and up (who are fine with most PG-13 cbm).

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Browsing this (entire)last page,
I've never seen an entire page of a fan section entirely dedicated to begrudging a film or reveling in the negative circumstance or it's possibility occurring. Not even in the Bay sections. At least not outside of a dedicated 'skeptic/negatron' thread.
A rare sight to say the least. Mods and new folks and regulars et all.
I honestly feel for the fans of the film that were motivated enough to find this place in hopes of engaging with other fans. Especially if they lack the eloquence or gull to speak up and speak for that which has their excitement.

I mean I even understand such things to a degree happening in the bay sections for there is something to be said for proven track records and experience with prior films. In this scenario, everyone involved(everyone) is coming off of massive and recent cbm and or critical acclaim in a way and this isn't some sequel to trash as is so often the case.

It's a rare thing to see, but then again there seems to be an element of external motivation in all these things as of late.

"Proven track record"? That's an interesting spin but you completely are ignoring Fox's track record with comic properties not named X-Men. If this film surprises and breaks that mold well then we are having a different conversation. What "external motivation" are you talking about? What kind of veiled accusation is that? Talk about the film all you want but don't sit here and try and discredit those talking about the film negatively just because you don't agree with them.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Do you think the film is appropriate for kids? I am specifically interested in ages 10 and up (who are fine with most PG-13 cbm).

Based on Teller's own comments it doesn't sound like it - unless he meant really young kids (who personally I don't feel should be seeing any of these films but I'm not their parent). But yeah I'd be interested in hearing more about this. I personally have a hard time with the idea of a Fantastic Four movie that is not family friendly.

 

[kevork89]

I have a question. And this is just for discussion and not to turn into an argument but something that has peaked my curiosity. I want to know that IF marvel had the F4 back under their belt. But had made the movie the same way Fox has. Even though they wouldn't but just say for discussions sake they did. Would the people who are against it currently be supporting it? I've wondered this because say Marvel went with Doom the programmer/hacker/user etc and black Torch with a white sister and had Trank on board all that with production problems all just the same. Would you still all go see it? My presumption is you would because it's under Marvel right? Like I said this is a general question I'm just interested. I'd watch it if it's Fox, Marvel or any studio. But that's me personally. This is hypothetical so don't say something like Marvel wouldn't do that or whatever.

And this isn't going anywhere or a set up. Just my own curiosity. And also for something different to discuss if possible lol. We seem to go round and round in circles.

 

[Marvin]

"Proven track record"? That's an interesting spin but you completely are ignoring Fox's track record with comic properties not named X-Men. If this film surprises and breaks that mold well then we are having a different conversation. What "external motivation" are you talking about? What kind of veiled accusation is that? Talk about the film all you want but don't sit here and try and discredit those talking about the film negatively just because you don't agree with them.

1. proven track record applies to the people making the movie, not the studio.
Point in case, WB makes many dozens of movies a year, the ones made by nolan, cauron, miller aren't the same ones made by such and such hack.
Xmen films seem to do better when made by Vaughn or Singer vs Ratner...
CBM films seemingly do better when made by solid talent vs say mark steven johnson or tim story. I digress, when I say the 'people' involved, from actors to writers to director(s), I mean just that.
And yes they are all of them coming off very high praise recently. Trank and his leads in particular. The writer seems to be doing well for himself in this and other genres lately.

2. External motivation influencing alot of this as to explain why I've never seen this particular pre-release circumstance outside of a film people want the rights to revert?
It's in some people's sigs and avatars is my first clue. This past page is littered with 'phase 4' talk is another. People used to be subtle about this but we are seemingly in free for all territory at this point.

3. As for discrediting people, all I did was highlight was is so callusly said time and again in this section. If you consider that some sort of discredit, I suppose it is what is it. My point was that I've never seen this precise thing happen to this degree on they hype before(and I've been here a while). Particularly without actual warrant.

 

[Flint Marko]

People who are long time fans of the material don't enjoy Fox's liberal interpretation of characters they have grown up loving, especially in light of the way other studios have been handling their comic book properties. It's very easy to understand, Marvin.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It's a rare thing to see,

Yes, it absolutely is. I've never before seen a film based on a well-known comic-book that so obviously distanced itself from the source material.

And in the past when there have been controversies, the film makers have have tried to address the fan's concerns and at least demonstrate that, while they have made some changes, they respect the source material and intend to give the fans what they want.

In this case, the film-makers are trolling the fans right back - accusing fans of racism and saying the criticism is 'unfair' - instead of making a case for their film and trying to win the fans over. They seem to have never heard the phrase 'the customer is always right' and prefer 'f*** the customer - they're a bunch of haters'.

The reaction is rare because the actions of the film-makers are unprecedented. I've never seen a superhero film that was so off-base and handled promotion so poorly. I can't think of anything that's even close.

 

[Zarex]

I have a question. And this is just for discussion and not to turn into an argument but something that has peaked my curiosity. I want to know that IF marvel had the F4 back under their belt. But had made the movie the same way Fox has. Even though they wouldn't but just say for discussions sake they did. Would the people who are against it currently be supporting it? I've wondered this because say Marvel went with Doom the programmer/hacker/user etc and black Torch with a white sister and had Trank on board all that with production problems all just the same. Would you still all go see it? My presumption is you would because it's under Marvel right? Like I said this is a general question I'm just interested. I'd watch it if it's Fox, Marvel or any studio. But that's me personally. This is hypothetical so don't say something like Marvel wouldn't do that or whatever.

And this isn't going anywhere or a set up. Just my own curiosity. And also for something different to discuss if possible lol. We seem to go round and round in circles.

If Marvel Studios made the same exact changes to the classic source material - Twenty something Reed, his wee baseball playin' pal Benji, their (same age!) African American chum Johnny, his Caucasian sister Sue and their bloggin' buddy Domashev, I would be STEAMED.

I would be far angrier at Marvel Studios for screwing up, because I know that at least some of the changes FOX made, such as going with a less established (cheaper) cast and retelling the origin were made for cost savings purposes. This is a cheap rights grab, and while I hate the fact that FOX is doing it I understand the business reasons behind it. Marvel Studios wouldn't have that excuse.

And for those who believe that fans of the MCU will swallow anything that Feige and Company give us, take a gander at some of the other MCU boards one in a while. The Mandarin Twist, Darcy, AOS Season 1, Maliketh, Edgar Wright, Ultron's dad - the MCU gets plenty of criticism.

 

[kevork89]

If Marvel Studios made the same exact changes to the classic source material - Twenty something Reed, his wee baseball playin' pal Benji, their (same age!) African American chum Johnny, his Caucasian sister Sue and their bloggin' buddy Domashev, I would be STEAMED.

I would be far angrier at Marvel Studios for screwing up, because I know that at least some of the changes FOX made, such as going with a less established (cheaper) cast and retelling the origin were made for cost savings purposes. This is a cheap rights grab, and while I hate the fact that FOX is doing it I understand the business reasons behind it. Marvel Studios wouldn't have that excuse.

And for those who believe that fans of the MCU will swallow anything that Feige and Company give us, take a gander at some of the other MCU boards one in a while. The Mandarin Twist, Darcy, AOS Season 1, Maliketh, Edgar Wright, Ultron's dad - the MCU gets plenty of criticism.

Yeah sweet I get you. I'm not speaking in the sense that Marvel can do no wrong. I know that for the hardcore F4 fans like yourself it's not the studio it's the story and characters.

 

[Quasar]

Trank FF made by Marvel would be a skipper for me. I would probably see it sometime (I'll probably see this one too, but I won't give any money to Fox for it), but I definitely wouldn't see it in the theater. Marvel's not above making a movie I don't like. I hate IM3. Guardians was good, but I didn't care that pretty much every character was changed from the comics, so in the end it's a movie I don't particularly care to re-visit. AoU had problems. I never understood the need for an Ant-Man movie, but now that there is one, it does look like a fun time so I'll check it out.

 

[Iron_Stark]

I have a question. And this is just for discussion and not to turn into an argument but something that has peaked my curiosity. I want to know that IF marvel had the F4 back under their belt. But had made the movie the same way Fox has. Even though they wouldn't but just say for discussions sake they did. Would the people who are against it currently be supporting it? I've wondered this because say Marvel went with Doom the programmer/hacker/user etc and black Torch with a white sister and had Trank on board all that with production problems all just the same. Would you still all go see it? My presumption is you would because it's under Marvel right? Like I said this is a general question I'm just interested. I'd watch it if it's Fox, Marvel or any studio. But that's me personally. This is hypothetical so don't say something like Marvel wouldn't do that or whatever.

And this isn't going anywhere or a set up. Just my own curiosity. And also for something different to discuss if possible lol. We seem to go round and round in circles.

Nope, I'd still be against it.

Sh** is sh** no matter whose toilet bowl it's floating on.

That said, with the Punisher cast announcement made yesterday, it makes me sad that Marvel's first family is regulated to crap, while other IP that have come home (Daredevil and Punisher) are knocking it out of the park with casting decisions and production.

 

[Wheels]

I think Tilda Swinton as The Ancient One is lame, so Marvel can get it wrong sometimes.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I would actually prefer the FF not be in the Marvel Universe in some ways.

It would be interesting to see the FF as THE planet's superheroes. When Galactus comes, there wouldn't be any confusion as to "Where are the Avengers?"

But I also like the idea of the FF being able to interact with other Marvel characters.

Bottom line - if Marvel was making this exact film this exact way I would feel exactly the same as I do now. So far what we've seen hasn't looked like the Fantastic Four and those involved haven't offered anything to make me want to see the film as it looks now.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

the F4 shouldn't be dealing with Galactus alone anyway.. makes for a great team up movie especially with the classic Avengers F4 team-up against galactus from the books...