Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - Part 39

[psylockolussus]

Actually for 62 minutes so yes, 2/3 of the film. The accident scene was really good especially when we saw their powers! It was pretty intense!

 

[BatsDC]

Kate Mara on Tuesday's Live discussing her Comic Con experience with her cast members.

Spoiler

[YT]watch?v=8DIzctOYPgQ[/YT]

I feel kind of depressed now

I couldn't help but think of the rumour that Trank treated her like she was invisible on-set when reading that.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Now will users that believed him like Cyclops admit he has wrong is the question ? Probably not

I never said I believed him just that it was presumptuous to automatically dismiss his review just because it was prositive

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

After seeing the movie, no doubt that Fox wrecked it, Trank's movie is there for like the first half, almost two thirds, from then on, you can see the hack job on the last third of the movie.

SURPRISE SURPRISE !

Let's see - Promising new director given the reins to a big franchise bullied by 20th Century Fox resulting in a disastrous film. Gavin Hood all over again.

 

[CaptainWagner]

From the sounds of the reviews, I really hope this does well enough to warrent a sequel without the studo interference. It seems to have a lot of unfulfilled potential.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Lol at the blame it on Fox approach.

 

[Big Bang]

From the sounds of the reviews, I really hope this does well enough to warrent a sequel without the studo interference. It seems to have a lot of unfulfilled potential.

Wouldn't that be classified as the "They'll fix it all in the sequel" argument?

 

[killface]

Just got back from seeing this. Overall, the movie isn't bad. It isn't good either. It was just mediocre and disappointing. There were a few good aspects (casting, character relationships) that left a bitter taste in my mouth because it proved to me that this could have been a good movie. I would point out the story and script as the main factors why the movie did not live up to it's potential. The story was uninspired. Also, the dialogue was bland and did nothing for the characterization of the uh, characters. The CGI was also not up to par with the demands of the story.

Finally, The movie felt like it hated being a superhero movie and that it was sulking the entire time in telling the story of the fantastic four.

Sidenote:

*The design for dr. doom was horrendous. Of all the things to drop the ball on, they dropped it on something as simple as doom's design.

 

[Flint Marko]

Lol at the blame it on Fox approach.

It appears that in this case it has some merit.

 

[Double B]

Lol at the blame it on Fox approach.

I know, right?

Like we're all fully aware of Fox's terrible track record with interfering but let's not even start the whole 'Trank made a great film until Fox stuck their nose in' narrative. We have absolutely no idea what Trank's own third act entailed and for all we know, it was even worse.

Fox didn't just back the guy the whole way through pre-production, and the majority of the actual production, then suddenly changed their minds. They got involved because, by all accounts, principal photography was a mess that resulted in a sub-par film that they and Kinberg tried to salvage (and apparently didn't).

Now don't get me wrong, they shouldn't have given the greenlight to it in the first place but let's not make Fox a total scapegoat for Trank's own failings. This glorious mess was a group job.

 

[Big Bang]

Just got back from seeing this. Overall, the movie isn't bad. It isn't good either. It was just mediocre and disappointing. There were a few good aspects (casting, character relationships) that left a bitter taste in my mouth because it proved to me that this could have been a good movie. I would point out the story and script as the main factors why the movie did not live up to it's potential. The story was uninspired. Also, the dialogue was bland and did nothing for the characterization of the uh, characters. The CGI was also not up to par with the demands of the story.

Finally, The movie felt like it hated being a superhero movie and that it was sulking the entire time in telling the story of the fantastic four.

Sidenote:

*The design for dr. doom was horrendous. Of all the things to drop the ball on, they dropped it on something as simple as doom's design.

Ironically it sounds like it might have been more successful if it actually had been Chronicle 2 instead of FF.

 

[kguillou]

So, from what I'm hearing this movie is VERY comparable to The Wolverine. A good/great first half and then turns into a conventional studio superhero film in the second half and ruins the tone set up in the first half...is that accurate?

 

[killface]

Ironically it sounds like it might have been more successful if it actually had been Chronicle 2 instead of FF.

I haven't watched Chronicle. But after seeing this movie, i'm interested in watching it to see the similarities and differences it has with this one

 

[killface]

So, from what I'm hearing this movie is VERY comparable to The Wolverine. A good/great first half and then turns into a conventional studio superhero film in the second half and ruins the tone set up in the first half...is that accurate?

Yeah. That pretty much sums it up

 

[Flint Marko]

I know, right?

Like we're all fully aware of Fox's terrible track record with interfering but let's not even start the whole 'Trank made a great film until Fox stuck their nose in' narrative. We have absolutely no idea what Trank's own third act entailed and for all we know, it was even worse.

Fox didn't just back the guy the whole way through pre-production, and the majority of the actual production, then suddenly changed their minds. They got involved because, by all accounts, principal photography was a mess that resulted in a sub-par film that they and Kinberg tried to salvage (and apparently didn't).

Now don't get me wrong, they shouldn't have given the greenlight to it in the first place but let's not make Fox a total scapegoat for Trank's own failings. This glorious mess was a group job.

But it was Fox who greenlit the production, put Trank in charge, and let him do his thing all to come in at the last second and force drastic changes on the whole movie. It sounds like there is more than enough blame to go around, but I'm not so inclined to heap it all on the novice film maker's shoulders.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

I've seen a few reviewers say they have adr the domashev out of the film to actually name him doom can this be confirmed.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Yeah don't get me wrong, I think Trank's arrogance and utter disregard for the source material makes him a total *****e in my eyes. But you still have to wonder what the film would have looked like without Fox and Kinberg's interference. Doesn't sound like it could have been much worse. Or if it was - holy cow.

 

[Endeavor]

Like we're all fully aware of Fox's terrible track record with interfering but let's not even start the whole 'Trank made a great film until Fox stuck their nose in' narrative. We have absolutely no idea what Trank's own third act entailed and for all we know, it was even worse.

Fox didn't just back the guy the whole way through pre-production, and the majority of the actual production, then suddenly changed their minds. They got involved because, by all accounts, principal photography was a mess that resulted in a sub-par film that they and Kinberg tried to salvage (and apparently didn't).

Now don't get me wrong, they shouldn't have given the greenlight to it in the first place but let's not make Fox a total scapegoat for Trank's own failings. This glorious mess was a group job.

Amen to that

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I didnt know that The Thing had a specific "iconic" sound.

Chicklis sounded like Chicklis to me even after he became the Thing. Just a bit raspier and gruffer and deeper.

yeah, he's typically portrayed with a "certain sounding voice" in all forms of cartoons and video-games... Chicklis pulled that part off pretty well

 

[Endeavor]

So, from what I'm hearing this movie is VERY comparable to The Wolverine. A good/great first half and then turns into a conventional studio superhero film in the second half and ruins the tone set up in the first half...is that accurate?

Not for me. I'm reading it as a total mess. Except for a few cases, most of the descriptions of the first half are hardly a ringing endorsement. It's just that it's better than the 3rd act.

 

[killface]

I was thinking how much of a sight it would have been if josh trank went full cronenberg body horror in the accident scene.

 

[Endeavor]

I've seen a few reviewers say they have adr the domashev out of the film to actually name him doom can this be confirmed.

Yeah, they dropped the Domaschev name in the reshoots

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Fox owns the film rights to the Fantastic Four.



The current Fantastic Four characters are the property of Fox until they either sale, trade or allow them to go back to Marvel.

neither of you are wrong on this actually.. and both are right..

FOX has control over the movie rights of these characters but they do not own these characters. They payed for the rights to put them in films, and there's been some reports that they also have to pay some form of "rent" to marvel to also continue to have the rights (in addition to owning the movie rights)

they do not "own" the fantastic four brand though...

you both are basically talking about the same stuff... and agreeing and not realizing it.

 

[Eddie]

Some reviews, including at least one top critic review, even say the first two acts are worse than the climax.

 

[Poni_Boy]

So, from what I'm hearing this movie is VERY comparable to The Wolverine. A good/great first half and then turns into a conventional studio superhero film in the second half and ruins the tone set up in the first half...is that accurate?

I wouldn't compare them at all. Even though I wasn't a fan of the Silver Samurai battle in Wolverine it was still much more enjoyable to watch and fit the story better than any of the action beats here. The whole movie was just uninspired. Didn't feel like anyone involved with crafting the story understood what makes the characters work. Especially Doom. Plus the cinematography alone in Wolverine trumps all the grimdark stuff in FF. It's tedious to sit through.