Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - Part 41

[Tymminator]

FFINO Defenders: This film is definitely Fantastic Four. It's so obvious.

FF Fans: This doesn't resemble anything from the past 60 years.

FFINO Defenders: Well it's not the 616 FF. It's inspired by the Ultimate FF.

Ultimate supporters: It's not the Ultimates.

FFINO Defenders: Okay, well then it comes from various Marvel handbooks and Encyclopedias.

Marvel Creators: It's not from anything Marvel ever put out.

FFINO Defenders: Okay, well then it's drawn from various comic books.

Comic Aficionados: It's not from any comic book I know.

FFINO Defenders: Okay, well then it comes from some kind of literature.

Literary Critics: It's not from anything in literature I'm afraid.

FFINO Defenders: Well then it's based on some old wives tales.

Old wives: Our husbands never told us any of these sorts of stories.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

 

[Mike Murdock]

I don't get it. If Fantastic Four, being inspired by the Ultimate Marvel imprint is as drastic change as the Mandarin, wouldn't that include this guy?

Aside from skin color, what's not 616 about Nick Fury?

 

[Eddie]

Aside from skin color, what's not 616 about Nick Fury?

What, you didn't see the episode of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. where Nick Fury had sex with all of the women, including every female member of his ex-wife's family?

[BLACKOUT]Yes, it was established in Ultimate that Fury screwed his wife's family members as some sort of weird power thing.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]Yes, it was garbage.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]Yes, Ultimate tried way too hard to make everything"edgy", and the MCU barely borrows from Ultimate outside of a few designs and some broad ideas.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Big Bang]

FFINO Defenders: This film is definitely Fantastic Four. It's so obvious.

FF Fans: This doesn't resemble anything from the past 60 years.

FFINO Defenders: Well it's not the 616 FF. It's inspired by the Ultimate FF.

Ultimate supporters: It's not the Ultimates.

FFINO Defenders: Okay, well then it comes from various Marvel handbooks and Encyclopedias.

Marvel Creators: It's not from anything Marvel ever put out.

FFINO Defenders: Okay, well then it's drawn from various comic books.

Comic Aficionados: It's not from any comic book I know.

FFINO Defenders: Okay, well then it comes from some kind of literature.

Literary Critics: It's not from anything in literature I'm afraid.

FFINO Defenders: Well then it's based on some old wives tales.

Old wives: Our husbands never told us any of these sorts of stories.

FFINO Defenders: It's Trank's vision.

Trank: I disavow this film.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yes, you'll have to search his name on Twitter.

OK, it looked bad, but it seems another guy goaded him into it and they have done similar things to each other before.

Just surprises me how toxic people get on social media.

I know we all get angry and over-the-top here, but I never take it too seriously. Nothing here should drive you to get that emotional like the above, but whatever.

 

[C. Lee]

I don't get it. If Fantastic Four, being inspired by the Ultimate Marvel imprint is as drastic change as the Mandarin, wouldn't that include this guy?

I don't get it. Are you really this dense or are you trolling? All of the regular posters in here who were not in favor of this movie (and that is a lot of posters) have gone over this ad nauseum with you. Over and over people have explained how the recent movie was not like the 616 version and was not like the ultimates version. People have repeatedly told you how the major changes made in the new FF movie don't come close to the minor change in this or that other movie. It is getting old. Very very old.

 

[Drz]

Over and over people have explained how the recent movie was not like the 616 version and was not like the ultimates version. People have repeatedly told you how the major changes made in the new FF movie don't come close to the minor change in this or that other movie. It is getting old. Very very old.

I'm a reader of Ultimate Fantastic Four and the Ultimate Imprint almost since the line was launched. I've seen the movie and i've made the connections. Just because a lot of people want to argue againts the clear influence of Ultimate Marvel, doesn't make me neither a troll or wrong. It was an adaptation of the Ultimate Marvel, just like all comic book movies are adaptations of comics, and they won't be 100% translations, but you can see the influence. If it was not an adaptation of Ultimate FF, How do you explain this or this?

That's why I don't get the hostility towards Ultimate Marvel.

 

[TeeKay]

I'm a reader of Ultimate Fantastic Four and the Ultimate Imprint almost since the line was launched. I've seen the movie and i've made the connections. Just because a lot of people want to argue againts the clear influence of Ultimate Marvel, doesn't make me neither a troll or wrong. It was an adaptation of the Ultimate Marvel, just like all comic book movies are adaptations of comics, and they won't be 100% translations, but you can see the influence. If it was not an adaptation of Ultimate FF, How do you explain this or this?

That's why I don't get the hostility towards Ultimate Marvel.

Now you're trolling.

 

[BatsDC]

Inspired by Ultimate Marvel? Sure.

Based on? Nope.

 

[First Avenger]

Yeah I remember Naked Thing,black Johnny,Kosovian Sus...Oh wait.

 

[Crimz]

I detest ultimate F4, the only good things from it are the alternate origins and evil Reed.

Ultimate Sue is the absolute worst.

 

[Drz]

Inspired by Ultimate Marvel? Sure.

Based on? Nope.

Isn't that the same thing? Like Hank Pym, Ultron, Mandarin, Iron Man, Quickslav, X-Men, Batman movies. They're inspired and based on the comics, but they're not literal translations of a singular comic.

 

[Dark Raven]

Isn't that the same thing? Like Hank Pym, Ultron, Mandarin, Iron Man, Quickslav, X-Men, Batman movies. They're inspired and based on the comics, but they're not literal translations of a singular comic.

I see we're already moving towards this stage:

"FFINO Defenders: Okay, well then it's drawn from various comic books."

 

[Flint Marko]

Isn't that the same thing? Like Hank Pym, Ultron, Mandarin, Iron Man, Quickslav, X-Men, Batman movies. They're inspired and based on the comics, but they're not literal translations of a singular comic.

Are the black trash bag "containment suits" based on the comics? What about Dr. Doom being a blogger/hacker? What about Sue and Johnny not being related? And Doom taking Sue's place on the original mission that granted them their powers? What about the Thing becoming a weapon used by the government to kill 43 people? And them training the others to become weapons themselves? And Reed ditching his friends for a year?
I could keep going. Accept that this movie took drastic departures from nearly every FF comic ever published, more drastic than nearly any change in any other CBM, and move on.

I see we're already moving towards this stage:

"FFINO Defenders: Okay, well then it's drawn from various comic books."

 

[C. Lee]

That's why I don't get the hostility towards Ultimate Marvel.

Why don't you get it? It has been said thousands of times in here. 98% of the reading audience did not like that take on the Fantastic Four mythos. They did not like the change in the storyline or the change in the characters. If you like it....fine, no problem....but why can't you accept that the over whelming majority of FF fans DO NOT like the Ultimates comics and DID NOT want a movie based upon it.

I have checked back through your record....you have been warned and infracted over the years by several different mods for trolling actions. You get an idea in your head and run it into the ground even when evidence proving the opposite is constantly shown to you. You are doing the same here. You bring up things that do not pertain to the original discussion just to cloud it when evidence contradicting your side is shown over and over.

An example of this is your questioning why people accept the change of Ultimate Nick Fury in the MCU but not the FF Ultimate comic changes.....well here (again are the reasons it isn't the same -
Ultimate Nick Fury
1) the only part of the changes made in the Ultimate comics Nick Fury when put into the MCU is his looking like Sam Jackson
2)the majority of comic book fans accepted the comic book change of the appearance of Nick Fury
whereas in contrast
1)the majority of comic fans did NOT accept the comic book changes of the characters in the Ultimate comics
2)changes from the comics used in the movie include - (A) their ages (B) changing how they got their powers (C) having Doom along when they get their powers (D) having Doom transformed as well (E) having the Storm's father involved

Things like this have been pointed out over and over...and yet you continue to say with supposed/feigned naivety "I don't get it." This means you are either willingly ignoring it (trolling) or you have a severe problem with understand the basic concepts that everyone else gets.

 

[Drz]

98% of the reading audience did not like that take on the Fantastic Four mythos.

That's not really relevant, it's based/inspired by Ultimate Fantastic Four regardless of whenever the community of superherohype readers like it. I mean, this is just 1 comic book community.

over whelming majority of FF fans DO NOT like the Ultimates comics and DID NOT want a movie based upon it.

Yes, I am completely aware of this. But I am simply stating that this movie was based off/inspired by Ultimate Marvel.

1) the only part of the changes made in the Ultimate comics Nick Fury when put into the MCU is his looking like Sam Jackson

Nick Fury in the movies also wanted the Abomination to be part of the Avengers Initiative, which to me reeks of very Ultimate Nick Fury, who used both willing soldiers and forced soldiers under his thumb. I also like his relation to Hawkeye and Black Widow, to me it is very close to how it was in Ultimates.

2)the majority of comic book fans accepted the comic book change of the appearance of Nick Fury

But what does it matter whetever fans accept something or not? When you're talking about facts, it's facts that count. Not whetever you like something or not.

Things like this have been pointed out over and over...and yet you continue to say with supposed/feigned naivety "I don't get it."

I get that people don't like Ultimate Marvel, I don't get when people say Josh Trank's movie doesn't have anything to do with Ultimate Marvel. That's the part that confuses me.

I repeat: I have always 100% been aware of people disliking Ultimate Marvel and it being the source material for this movie, I however do not get why people tell me that it has nothing to do with Ultimate Marvel.

That I don't understand.

 

[C. Lee]

I however do not get why people tell me that it has nothing to do with Ultimate Marvel.

That I don't understand.

Well now you can sleep at night and get along with your life....you can stop obsessing over something that does not need to be obsessed over.....if anyone says - The new FF has NOTHING to do with the Ultimates - they are wrong. It has parts of it in it. Parts of it. The new FF movie is not an adaptation of the ULTIMATES...it draws from it, it uses concepts from it...but it does not adapt it. Most likely, some of the posters when they said it isn't the ULTIMATES, meant that it wasn't a direct adaptation....and that is all they meant....because it has been pointed out hundreds of times throughout many threads in here...PARTS OF THE ULTIMATES COMICS WERE USED IN IT BUT NOT ALL OF IT. You are nitpicking and obsessing over the wording of something that everyone else gets......

 

[Urich Leeds]

I'm a reader of Ultimate Fantastic Four and the Ultimate Imprint almost since the line was launched. I've seen the movie and i've made the connections. Just because a lot of people want to argue againts the clear influence of Ultimate Marvel, doesn't make me neither a troll or wrong. It was an adaptation of the Ultimate Marvel, just like all comic book movies are adaptations of comics, and they won't be 100% translations, but you can see the influence. If it was not an adaptation of Ultimate FF, How do you explain this or this?

That's why I don't get the hostility towards Ultimate Marvel.

1. The only things it has in common with the Ultimate comics is the characters being younger, and the characters involved (The Four, Doom, Franklin). That's where the similarities end.


2. Most dislike Ultimate FF. That's where the hostility comes from. And arguing that these things have a basis in a much hated version of the FF comics in no way helps this film's case.

3. Ultimate FF (like this year's FF film) is not very good. The same can be said for all of the Ultimate Marvel universe, save for most of Ultimate Spider-Man's run. So the fact that most people hate UFF does matter. And it should've mattered to everyone involved in making the new movie, as they immediately had poor source material for the film (loosely and poorly adapted, or not) working against them.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I'm curious if Drz's inevitable banning will be as impressive as this film's box office freefall.

 

[wobbly]

I can see the similarities between this film and UFF. There are Beats from the UFF origin, the 'think tank' Baxter Building, no space trip, powers come from alternate dimension business.

I can see the differences too. Naked military kill machine Thing, Reed going on the run abandoning the others for a year, race swapped Father & Son Storm, random Kosovo (what was the point of that detail?) adopted Sue. She is no longer a specialist biologist, but ummm...a pattern genius (lol) who makes the men's suits (bigger lol). Whatever the hell the transformed Doom was meant to be in the movie, etc.

One obvious similarity that stands out with this film and the UFF big time is they are both crap, imho.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

This reminds of when ASM 2 fanboys were swearing up and down that it was Ultimate based.

Their evidence was Gwen Stacey....even though Gwen in the Ultimate comics was never a well adjusted first class student, but a party girl with deep scars. Even though MJ was Ultimate Peter's first love interest. Even though their evidence of ASM being Ultimate was an element lifted from 616.

The other was Aunt May. Even though they bore no resemblance to other than being younger. Marisa Tomey seems closer to Ultimate May than Sally Fields.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well now you can sleep at night and get along with your life....you can stop obsessing over something that does not need to be obsessed over.....if anyone says - The new FF has NOTHING to do with the Ultimates - they are wrong. It has parts of it in it. Parts of it. The new FF movie is not an adaptation of the ULTIMATES...it draws from it, it uses concepts from it...but it does not adapt it. Most likely, some of the posters when they said it isn't the ULTIMATES, meant that it wasn't a direct adaptation....and that is all they meant....because it has been pointed out hundreds of times throughout many threads in here...PARTS OF THE ULTIMATES COMICS WERE USED IN IT BUT NOT ALL OF IT. You are nitpicking and obsessing over the wording of something that everyone else gets......

^^^^ this

 

[spideyboy_1111]

This reminds of when ASM 2 fanboys were swearing up and down that it was Ultimate based.

Their evidence was Gwen Stacey....even though Gwen in the Ultimate comics was never a well adjusted first class student, but a party girl with deep scars. Even though MJ was Ultimate Peter's first love interest. Even though their evidence of ASM being Ultimate was an element lifted from 616.

The other was Aunt May. Even though they bore no resemblance to other than being younger. Marisa Tomey seems closer to Ultimate May than Sally Fields.

agrees... i dealt with the same type of people back in the Raimi days.. who sweared up and down the franchise was based on ultimate films.. because organic webbing, high-school Mj, and Eddie Brock Jr....

yes, some things are influenced and borrowed from the ultimate universes in films.. because most of the times they're something that needs updated (though there's also several other examples many of these conceptions have been used in other stories too... like Young Aunt May... she was younger in the 90s series than she was in the comics, and May's also had a really awkward comic series where she was a teenager.. and it played out like a soap opera with Ben, Mary, and Richard too.. all teens...

sometimes things work, sometimes they don't. but even films with some very noticeable ultimate influences in the MCU.. are still overwhelmingly 616 based...

 

[metaphysician]

Aside from skin color, what's not 616 about Nick Fury?

The fact that he's not an unaging WWII veteran, at least as far as anyone can tell. I would say he's nearer to the 616 version than the Ultimate version, though, if only for not being a megalomaniacal supervillain.