"Feel the Bern": The BERNIE SANDERS Thread - Part 1

[Thundercrack85]

Oh boy.

 

[craigdbfan]

In a world where compromise could be met I'd have Newt Gingrich in the position Donald Trump is in now but Trump just has that je ne sais quoi that is garnering him a massive following and it isn't just KKK, White Nationalist, and other stupid undesirables despite what this thread and others out there would like for people to believe.

The general election will prove this quite decidedly. Just watch.

 

[Victarion]

Polls say otherwise.

 

[summerteeth]

Polls say otherwise.

Do they? He's a regional candidate, but he seems to do well in the rust belt and the usual red states. He's neck and neck with Hillary in Ohio and Pennsylvania also in Florida. If he can win those three states he can win the general. Polls have him losing the popular vote sure, but state by state it appears close as of now.

Quinnipiac has Ohio 43% to 39% in favor of Trump
43% to 42 % in favor of Hillary so a virtual tie
and 43% to 42% in favor of Hillary so again a virtual tie.

I'm saying this as someone who fears a Trump Presidency. It's out of concern.

 

[craigdbfan]

He will win.

 

[Matt]

He will win.

Probably not. Its not impossible, but it is highly improbable. The polls are misleading at the moment for several reasons, not the least of which that the Democrats have not unified yet.

The most telling poll at this time are favorability polls. Trump has historically low favorability numbers. He may have a very small base that rabidly supports him, but virtually everyone else in the Republican Party is, at best, unexcited about him (at worst, they just don't like him). This election will probably see record low turnout on the Republican side. Meanwhile, every time Trump opens his mouth and says something bigoted or misogynistic, he is galvanizing the opposition.

Meanwhile, Clinton is running a very artificial but also very clever campaign. She is playing it by the book and safe. It isn't going to excite a lot of people but at the same time she has Trump to do that for her. Moreover, she isn't going to make mistakes or gaffes that rally Republicans against her. It is why both President Bushes are not going to endorse Trump. It is why most Republican leadership will stay out of this fight. The name "Clinton" doesn't scare Republicans like it once did. She won't excite people by talking about nationalized health care like Sanders, but she also won't rally the opposition by doing so either

Because of this, Trump is trying to rally the base by using silly little names like "Crooked Hillary." But as I posted last week, most Americans don't buy into that nonsense. In fact, the only ones who do are Trump's hardcore base (who really aren't a statistically significant voting demographic). Even if they do buy into it, they don't care. Its the advantage of being in the public spotlight for 30 years. Your skeletons are out in the open and most are apathetic to said skeletons by this point.

So in the end, Clinton will simply play it safe and let Trump do the dirty work for her. Every time he opens his mouth, he ensures more Democrats come to vote and more Republicans stay home.

The great irony of a "winner" like Trump is that he is not only going to cost the Republicans what could have been a very winnable presidency (with the right candidate). He is going to cost them the Senate as well. Possibly even the House.

 

[souvlaki]

Quinnipiac has the lowest rating when it comes to polling amongst all the major polls (something like 50% accuracy rate so its about as useful as flipping a coin) and Trump just got a bump by officially becoming the Republican nominee so I think its safe to say those polls are pretty worthless at this point. I would wait until some more polls come out. I'd wager a decent sum the Quinnipiac poll is an outlier. Its not a foregone conclusion but I dont see the demographics being there for Trump to win or everything even a close race short of a meltdown from the Clinton campaign.

 

[Victarion]

Exactly right, souvlaki. The polls have been wildly off during the primary season. Were I in either campaign's camp, I wouldn't pay them any mind at this point - campaign like you're losing if you want to ensure your victory, or to make it as close to a reality as is possible.

I will say that Clinton could do better when it comes to picking out damaging Dangerous Donald quotes. Take this one for example:

Spoiler

I get what they're attacking, but its a bad quote.

 

[Schlosser85]

Yea, there's nothing really objectionable about his quote in and of itself. And it's not like Trump gives them a shortage of bad quotes to pick from.

 

[Matt]

Yea, there's nothing really objectionable about his quote in and of itself. And it's not like Trump gives them a shortage of bad quotes to pick from.

Well, be mindful that it is May and there is a lot of time. They don't want to burn their best material right out of the gate.

 

[Schlosser85]

I suspect Trump's the gift that keeps on giving in that regard.

 

[Matt]

I suspect Trump's the gift that keeps on giving in that regard.

Yep. The attack ads against him from both Clinton and liberal PACs are going to be absolutely brutal. And the crazy part is, unlike the norm with campaign ads, it won't be out of context or half-truths or outright lies (I'm looking at you, Swift Vets for Truth). It'll just be his words being turned on him.

 

[Victarion]

Is something happening in Nevada? Reddit is saying that the Bernie people are out protesting the DNC...

 

[DDS]

Is something happening in Nevada? Reddit is saying that the Bernie people are out protesting the DNC...

Yeah it turned into a cluster****. Apparantly there were some fights, booing, and flung insults during speeches to be had.

 

[Paradoxium]

Yep. The attack ads against him from both Clinton and liberal PACs are going to be absolutely brutal. And the crazy part is, unlike the norm with campaign ads, it won't be out of context or half-truths or outright lies (I'm looking at you, Swift Vets for Truth). It'll just be his words being turned on him.

Bernie run this one against her yet?

Hillary brags about getting a rapist (victim: 12 year old girl) off the hook via technicality?

 

[Paradoxium]

Bernie should run attack ads of the women Hillary silenced and harassed. From the death threats, private investigators digging dirt on them and dead cats. By them, you know, Bill's sexual assault and rape victims.

 

[Victarion]

Yeah it turned into a cluster****. Apparantly there were some fights, booing, and flung insults during speeches to be had.

I don't think that I can post the video here...but here's the cliffs:

1.) The winner was called before all the votes had been counted. I guess the gap was wide enough that the uncounted wouldn't have made a difference.

2.) Bernie's supporters called for all the votes to be counted before the results were called. This became a call for a recount.

3.) Hillary's people called for them to take their seats. Literally, chanting "take your seats!"

4.) It then goes as DDS says. Not sure why they'd call it before everything was accounted for, and what I saw was some someone's cell cam in the crowd so it was noisy and hard to make out at lot of it.

One tweet called it anarchy - this couldn't be further from anarchy imo.

Lol at this:

@SteveSebelius tweeted: Agenda for Democratic Convention this Saturday:
1. Yelling
2. Speeches
3. Arguing
4. Delegate Stealing
5. Vuvuzelas
6. Ritual Suicide

 

[DDS]

It was a convention for a caucus Hillary had already won, so I don't really know what there was to be so mad about. If it was just general anger about the system, that wasn't an effective way to demonstrate that.

There was a video of people in the audience calling Barbra Boxer a ***** while she was speaking, and apparantly people booed when Nina Turner - a HUGE Bernie advocate - talked about respect and party unity. Just...dumb.

 

[Matt]

Bernie run this one against her yet?

Hillary brags about getting a rapist (victim: 12 year old girl) off the hook via technicality?

Yeah, except that isn't what is happening at all. You're better than this, Dox. Though, if I know you, you are basically just posting **** looking for reactions.

 

[Kelly]

A LITTLE MESSAGE FROM THE MOD:

Much can be said about all of these candidates, none of them are beyond reproach by any means, but lets make sure of our "own motives" behind what we are posting. I am seeing some clear cases of posting "just for the hope of getting mass reaction" what I like to call "drive-by $h*****" as in crap on the sidewalk. It takes away from the gravitas of your posts and puts them into the category of trolling. Let's not go there shall we? Let's keep it intelligent and interesting.

If you feel the need to post something for affect, back it up with fact.

 

[Paradoxium]

If I were to discuss about Juanita Broaddrick, is that trolling? That is, her allegations Bill raped her? How Hillary attempted to silence her? Would that qualify? What about those other women she did wrong as well?

You guys should know by now, Trump is going to go there. It's going to get real ugly.

The dialectic is dead, we are only left with rhetoric. Welcome to the 2016 General Election.

 

[Kelly]

If you pull in fact/sources based on fact/etc. to back up what you have stated, bring it on.

Will Trump bring it up? Of course he will....so?

 

[chaseter]

So Bernie bros got the Nevada convention shut down? lol

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Looks like Burlington College, the school that Bernie's wife was president of, is going to have to close due to debt incurred from a land deal she made.

Why a college with ties to Bernie Sanders is closing

 

[Matt]

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