"Feel the Bern": The BERNIE SANDERS Thread - Part 2

[MessiahDecoy123]

Did Bernie ever say people shouldn't own property?

He wants the wealthy to pay high taxes, they can still own a billion dollar house if they want to.

So unless Bernie uses tax shelters and loopholes, he's not a hypocrite.

 

[auditor]

I came here curious if Hillary supporters are bitter towards Bernie.

I also noticed the talk about Bernie being a hypocrite. So I want to comment on that.

Who was fined 11 million for accepting illegal donations? Who was reprimanded for hacking into Hillary's campaign servor? Who's spouse accepted a multi million dollar golden parachute like two years ago?

And who promised not to go negative? Who for months said "I won't tell my supporters who to vote for if I lose"

I was for Bernie until the end. I feel like he poisoned the minds of millennial with talk of 15$ an hour minimum wage ideas and talk of free everything.

 

[Kelly]

Hmmmmm....people that put themselves up on a pedestal, tend to end up looking like a hypocrite. Which means, that speaks for most of the politicians I have seen...Bernie included. "I" can do this......"I" can do that......are things that bite all politicians in the ass later on. It happens to all of them.

 

[auditor]

I also forgot to add that his campaign violated the law when it never turned over its donation records. Turns out that average donation was only "maybe" 27 dollars.

Hillary gets lambasted for accepting thousands for doing speeches while Bernie gets a multi million dollar golden parachute as a gift from a corporation.

There were obviously other factors involved, but if Bernie had kept his promise to not go negative and if he never tried to be holier than thou, then our next President would either be Clinton or Sanders.

 

[TheBat812]

Hmmmmm....people that put themselves up on a pedestal, tend to end up looking like a hypocrite. Which means, that speaks for most of the politicians I have seen...Bernie included. "I" can do this......"I" can do that......are things that bite all politicians in the ass later on. It happens to all of them.

To be fair, Bernie never said that he himself could do anything. Much of his campaign was based on the idea that if Americans wanted things bad enough, we should all work together to have them. He never said that he coudl get all the things he talked about but that that was the direction he wanted to go, and what he would fight for. His campaign was built on pretty much the antithesis of "I can do this".

 

[chaseter]

Bernie has been out berning Clinton lolol.

 

[Silvermoth]

So who would Sanders choose as a running mate?

 

[Lighthouse]

I don't blame Bernie, but boy, a lot of his supporters were morons.

 

[Kyle]

I don't blame Bernie, but boy, a lot of his supporters were morons.

And there are millions of Bernie supporters who feel the same exact way towards Clinton and Trump supporters. I will say the Bernie-or-Busters or those who went third party retaliation or not voting out of apathy retaliation were morons though, it's partly how we got Emperor Trumpentine.

 

[Matt]

I don't blame Bernie, but boy, a lot of his supporters were morons.

I reject the whole "don't blame Bernie for Bernie Bros/Bernie or Busters" line. Until a week or so before the convention Sanders was refusing to endorse, threatening to march on the convention, etc. He went scorched Earth in a primary. Politics 101: you don't do that because it helps the opposition. He laid down the early groundwork for the "Clinton is corrupt" narrative. Bernie lit a powder keg and now him and his surrogates like Robert Reich are saying "what? Don't blame us because it exploded!" Its intellectually dishonest. Sanders has some (not all but some) culpability for Trump's victory.

 

[Silvermoth]

I was annoyed by how long Sanders stood out too because I think it gave Trump a head start but since the election I've tried to take off my snobby lefty hat and listen and I think the reason Sanders was so successful for so long was because people really were waiting for a conversation on the working class and when they didn't get that they went for Trump.

So I think next time the democrats have to look at trends like that and ask why

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

Damned straight!

 

[Lighthouse]

http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

Damned straight!

Couldn't agree more. I might be horrified by Trump voters, but these egocentric liberal purity voters piss me off to no end.

 

[Marvolo]

http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

Damned straight!

This needs to be stickied at the top of the politics forum.

 

[The Overlord]

http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

Damned straight!

I think there is a double edged sword here.

Yes ideological purity and saying both Clinton and Trump were equally bad is silly, but Hillary did lose because she was a weak candiate. She didn't lose rust belt Democrats because she wasn't ideological pure enough, she lost them because she was a bad candiate.

If you voted for Jill Stein in Massachusetts, it doesn't matter, it changes nothing, if you voted for Stein in Ohio, you are crazy.

So the Democratic base has to be less lazy and the Democratic leadership has to be more inspiring, everyone needs to work harder next time.

 

[MaceB]

As I remember it, Bernie grew in popularity in the beginning of his campaign, when he was mostly known for getting angry at reporters by essentially trying to make them do their job. He seemed so strict about gearing the conversation back to policy. In the world of media that wanted him to attack his opponent, he made it clear that he wasn't going to, that he was going to talk about issues instead of personalities. He wavered there at the end on that pledge, I think.
If I were to take something from the Bernie campaign, his policy focus would be the first thing. If there was a candidate who ran on nothing but election reform including our broken media, I'd vote for that person without a second thought. Bernie came as close as anyone ever has IMO.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Yes hindsight but I still believe Bernie would have been a way better choice against Trump.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I think there is a double edged sword here.

Yes ideological purity and saying both Clinton and Trump were equally bad is silly, but Hillary did lose because she was a weak candiate. She didn't lose rust belt Democrats because she wasn't ideological pure enough, she lost them because she was a bad candiate.

If you voted for Jill Stein in Massachusetts, it doesn't matter, it changes nothing, if you voted for Stein in Ohio, you are crazy.

So the Democratic base has to be less lazy and the Democratic leadership has to be more inspiring, everyone needs to work harder next time.

I agree. Hillary ran her entire campaign like the Presidency was owed to her. She dropped the ball by letting Trump dominate the conversation. She kept hoping Trump would just sink himself and she'd have it in the bag and could ascend to the throne without challenge. Democrats **** the bed hard this election. Here's hoping 2018 and 2020 are much improved.

 

[Marvolo]

I agree. Hillary ran her entire campaign like the Presidency was owed to her. She dropped the ball by letting Trump dominate the conversation. She kept hoping Trump would just sink himself and she'd have it in the bag and could ascend to the throne without challenge. Democrats **** the bed hard this election. Here's hoping 2018 and 2020 are much improved.

Yep. That was all her fault.

Its not like the media gave Trump billions of dollars worth of free advertsing. Its not like Trump a well known attention ****e dominated the media and the campaign just by being the insane racist baffoon he is.

Bernie would have fared no better.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Meh. Maybe Bernie would've gotten the votes Hilary didn't get along the rust belt. But conversely, Bernie wouldn't have gotten a lot of the votes, particularly minority, that Hilary got. So in the end it cancels out.

 

[Silvermoth]

Bernie Sanders draws sharp contrasts with Joe Biden - CNNPolitics

Sen. Bernie Sanders compared his record with Joe Biden's on trade and foreign policy on Monday, attempting to draw sharp contrasts between himself and the former vice president as the two lead the Democratic presidential pack.

When asked by CNN's Anderson Cooper if Sanders was concerned about Biden's endorsement from the International Association of Fire Fighters, the Vermont independent said, "I'm running against, I think, 19 other people, so I'm concerned about everybody," with a laugh -- before setting out a brief history of their political disagreements.
"But I think when people take a look at my record versus Vice President Biden's record -- I helped lead the fight against (North American Free Trade Agreement); he voted for NAFTA," Sanders said on "Anderson Cooper 360."

 

[mclay18]

Bernie is a joke and full of himself. He was one of the reasons Hillary lost in 2016.

Any respect I had for him vanished when he ran his mouth about people in prison being allowed to vote. If they’ve done their time and released, sure. But not for someone serving a life sentence.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

It's a strange hill to make a stand on for the presidency. It's like the NRA arguing for giving guns to people in prison. It's prison, you shouldn't expect all your rights while incarcerated. Anyway different states have different rules, let the states deal with it not the president.

 

[Schlosser85]

Yea I really don't think people in prison having a vote makes any sense.

I think people who've served their time and paid their dues and are back in society should have their voting rights restored, absolutely. But people in prison?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What society votes on impacts those in prison all the time. I understand someone in for life not having a vote, but otherwise, there is no reason to strip someone of their constitutional right. Like think of all those in prison for low level drug offences.