"Feel the Bern": The BERNIE SANDERS Thread - Part 1

[Matt]

Would Sanders Be The Nominee If Superdelegate Rules Are Changed?

This article got me thinking. For a campaign that is so intent upon being victimized, Sanders certainly is behaving like quite the hypocrite and seems to have no problem marginalizing the votes of those against him. In fact, it seems like he wants to change the rules to whatever benefits him at any given time.

First he claims that super delegates are unconstitutional and a subversion of the will of the people. Then when it became clear that he would not win the popular vote or pledged delegate vote, he argued that super delegates SHOULD subvert the will of the people for his benefit. Now he is arguing that super delegates should be bound to the candidate who won their state...but he is also saying that he has no intention to tell his super delegates from Clinton states to back Clinton.

Bernie Sanders wants to play by the rules, but only when the rules are in his favor. And when they aren't, they ought to be changed for him. Otherwise the election is "unfair" and "rigged." So in other words, in the mind of Bernie Sanders, the only way an election is fair and not rigged against him, is if it is rigged for him.

 

[Victarion]

If Bernie isn't courting DWS or the other big names and donors in the party, I would guess that overhaul of superdelegate allocations would be pretty well out of reach?

 

[Marvolo]

Would Sanders Be The Nominee If Superdelegate Rules Are Changed?

This article got me thinking. For a campaign that is so intent upon being victimized, Sanders certainly is behaving like quite the hypocrite and seems to have no problem marginalizing the votes of those against him. In fact, it seems like he wants to change the rules to whatever benefits him at any given time.

First he claims that super delegates are unconstitutional and a subversion of the will of the people. Then when it became clear that he would not win the popular vote or pledged delegate vote, he argued that super delegates SHOULD subvert the will of the people for his benefit. Now he is arguing that super delegates should be bound to the candidate who won their state...but he is also saying that he has no intention to tell his super delegates from Clinton states to back Clinton.

Bernie Sanders wants to play by the rules, but only when the rules are in his favor. And when they aren't, they ought to be changed for him. Otherwise the election is "unfair" and "rigged." So in other words, in the mind of Bernie Sanders, the only way an election is fair and not rigged against him, is if it is rigged for him.

The man is a little ****. Plain and simple.

 

[Matt]

The man is a little ****. Plain and simple.

He's worse than that. As I've said from the beginning, Bernie Sanders is the liberal Donald Trump. He has recklessly invoked class warfare. "The wealthy" are to him what Muslims are to Trump. They are a convenient, faceless enemy that can be used to stir up emotion and invoke blind rage and support from his followers. If Trump's tactics are similar to Hitler's, Sanders are similar to Lenin's.

I think his response to the Nevada convention says all that needs to be said. Reports are coming in today that Sanders campaign officials were encouraging (if not outright invoking) violence among Sanders supporters. Sanders supporters have since made death threats against Roberta Lange, the Nevada Democratic Chairwoman, AND HER GRANDCHILDREN. Has Sanders condemned a single bit of this behavior? To the contrary he is claiming that those who were behaving violently were "protecting the integrity of the election and ensuring a fair and transparent process." Remember all of the outrage when Trump said he would pay the legal fees of those who attacked protestors? Where is that outrage toward Bernie Sanders who is doing the same exact thing, defending criminals and rioters? Hell, at least Trump has since given a half-hearted condemnation of his violent supporters. Sanders is, nearly five days later, REFUSING to do so.

Sanders has, throughout this campaign, used hyperbolic promises that he has no way of keeping, class warfare, and extreme rhetoric, often supported by outright lies, to build a cult-like following. Who does that remind you of? He is the liberal Donald Trump.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I'm not going to condone threats or violence, but I can't say it's surprising that people are getting really pissed, given how underhanded the DNC has been about this whole process. They rigged the game for Hillary.

I don't know if I would say that Bernie "recklessly" invoked class warfare. I mean, he is a leftist, is he not? The super rich are destroying America, the middle class is collapsing, and the poor are only getting poorer. Anyone who thinks it's not time for some class warfare is probably benefiting from the current situation. I.e. the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer.

The super rich are a much greater threat to this country than radical Islam will ever be.

 

[auditor]

I voted for Bernie but Hillary has won the most votes and the most delegates. This race is over. It wasn't rigged. I am getting worried that Bernie is going to spoil this for our party by convincing his supporters that Hillary is no good. He needs to change his tone, and then drop out.

 

[Thundercrack85]

If I was Bernie and the DNC treated me the way they have, I would keep this going until the very end too. And then endorse Trump. Take that, Wassermann-Schultz. If I was Bernie, I mean. And remind them of all Hillary's lies (like that story about being shot at). That got Lying Brian Williams fired from NBC.

Again, If I was Bernie.

 

[Victarion]

Couldn't they get investigated for the FBI over those death threats? A while back people threatening Trump over twitter were reporting that they were being looked at by the FBI for their threats.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

If you are threatening to kill people because you can't get your way then you def need to be investigated by the authorities. That is not what sane, normal, rational adults do regardless of the circumstances.

 

[auditor]

What exactly has the democratic party done to Bernie Sanders?

 

[childeroland]

A whole lot when Wendell Pierce catches up with him.

 

[Schlosser85]

If I was Bernie and the DNC treated me the way they have, I would keep this going until the very end too. And then endorse Trump. Take that, Wassermann-Schultz. If I was Bernie, I mean. And remind them of all Hillary's lies (like that story about being shot at). That got Lying Brian Williams fired from NBC.

Again, If I was Bernie.

Brian Williams did not get fired, he was suspended for six months and is currently MSNBC's chief breaking news anchor and primetime election anchor.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Violence and intimidation from Bernie supporters. Let's be fair, they get very passionate and it's not like Bernie can control how they act Now the media is blaming Bernie for not condemning supporters

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

I think Trump and Sanders should join together! Seem to be running similar campaigns..

 

[Clark-Kent]

I'm thinking Bernie staying in is making this more divisive and democrat party is being made to look foolish and less unified than Trump leading the GOP. Can't say I expected this

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

At least Bernie doesn't tell his supporters to hurt protesters and offer to pay legal fees for it!

 

[Marvolo]

I'm not going to condone threats or violence, but I can't say it's surprising that people are getting really pissed, given how underhanded the DNC has been about this whole process. They rigged the game for Hillary.

I don't know if I would say that Bernie "recklessly" invoked class warfare. I mean, he is a leftist, is he not? The super rich are destroying America, the middle class is collapsing, and the poor are only getting poorer. Anyone who thinks it's not time for some class warfare is probably benefiting from the current situation. I.e. the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer.

The super rich are a much greater threat to this country than radical Islam will ever be.

These rules and this system in the DNC has been in place for decades. Some of the system has been in place much longer. Bernie made a conscious decision to join the party and participate in its system and process. Its not for him to decide to turn the board over just because he is losing and sucks at winning within the system and rules that were in place long before Hillary came along. If he doesnt want to play by these rules and be a part of the democrat party and cooperate with it then he should have kept his ass an Independent.

Hillary is winning superdelegates, delegates, and the popular vote, because among other reasons she actually wants to help the party (Democrat voters actually do care about the party and its goals because the democrat voters share many of the same goals hence why they are democrats in the first place.), she wants to help democrats down ticket, she is actually a democrat, she seems to be attracting more diverse voters. And Im sure there are a number of other valid reasons she is ahead and not a one of them is a conspiracy to rig the game.

Meanwhile Bernie, the troublesome rebellious independent that is only pretending to be a democrat, is ****ting on the party, he throws anything and everything that isnt for him and his goals under the bus, compromise doesnt seem to be in his wheelhouse, he is helping Trump by spiting Hillary and the party, and he is promoting sweeping massive changes that dont have a gnat's fart's chance in a hurricane of happening. His proposals were a nice dream at first but its time to get real. His proposals aren't going to make it through the house or senate regardless of who controls them and if they do they will likely result in a mess of epic proportions. Bernie just isnt the way. Not for the country or the party.

So is it any wonder he is behind Hillary and hasnt caught up?

The DNC doesnt need to rig the game and we dont need to imagine a DNC conspiracy to explain his loss.

Besides, if the DNC had rigged the game Bernie wouldnt have even made it this far.

 

[chaseter]

Violence and intimidation from Bernie supporters. Let's be fair, they get very passionate and it's not like Bernie can control how they act Now the media is blaming Bernie for not condemning supporters

Isn't that what they are doing to Trump?

 

[Marvolo]

I think Trump and Sanders should join together! Seem to be running similar campaigns..

Frankly at this point I think Bernie probably would be Trump's VP if Trump asked him.

 

[Schlosser85]

Isn't that what they are doing to Trump?

Trump actively encourages his supporters to assault protesters and promises to pay their legal fees.

 

[Clark-Kent]

At least Bernie doesn't tell his supporters to hurt protesters and offer to pay legal fees for it!

I actually don't think Trump meant that literally, but you have to be careful in what you say with all those followers.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I actually don't think Trump meant that literally, but you have to be careful in what you say with all those followers.

And that's one of Trump's biggest problems, he is impulsive and doesn't think before he speaks. If the man they idolize tells them to beat people up and he'll pay their legal fees why would they assume he is not to be taken at his word?

That is not a quality I want from the leader of our country.

 

[Slushy]

I'm not going to condone threats or violence, but I can't say it's surprising that people are getting really pissed, given how underhanded the DNC has been about this whole process. They rigged the game for Hillary.

I don't know if I would say that Bernie "recklessly" invoked class warfare. I mean, he is a leftist, is he not? The super rich are destroying America, the middle class is collapsing, and the poor are only getting poorer. Anyone who thinks it's not time for some class warfare is probably benefiting from the current situation. I.e. the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer.

The super rich are a much greater threat to this country than radical Islam will ever be.

If I was Bernie and the DNC treated me the way they have, I would keep this going until the very end too. And then endorse Trump. Take that, Wassermann-Schultz. If I was Bernie, I mean. And remind them of all Hillary's lies (like that story about being shot at). That got Lying Brian Williams fired from NBC.

Again, If I was Bernie.

Agreed. When Hellery gets the nom, America deserves all the Hell, fire, and brimstone it gets from the backlash of the choice even if it means Trump becoming President.

 

[Matt]

At least Bernie doesn't tell his supporters to hurt protesters and offer to pay legal fees for it!

He's done the same thing. Trump positively reinforced the bad behavior of his supporters. He did not say to attack his opponents, but said that if his supporters do, he will pay the legal fees. It is not outright encouragement, but rather positive reinforcement.

Sanders is now doing the same thing. His campaign released a press statement today claiming that these violent protesters were defending the integrity and fairness of the convention. He healed them as heroes, defenders of integrity. That is positive reinforcement of their violent action. It is the exact same thing that Donald Trump has done.

 

[Victarion]

Sanders has won Oregon...what does it do as far as the goalposts are concerned?

Over on Sanders4President, a lot of the redditors point out that his game seems weak with the black voters. I think what Bernie's pushing would win him a good deal of the black vote. Its just that I haven't heard him modify his position to explain why they should vote for him. The problems his potential voters are facing, economically, aren't a one-size-fits-all kind of thing - he needs, or needed, to tailor his message to explain what it means for the black community.

Taking this a step further, Bernie's hesitancy to sculpt his position to fit potential voters does not bode well for the rest of the country. Above all, we need someone in the oval office that understands the art of compromise and playing the long game...vile as some of her past is, I think Hillary is probably the only candidate that understands this.