"Feel the Bern": The BERNIE SANDERS Thread - Part 1

[Thundercrack85]

Brian Williams did not get fired, he was suspended for six months and is currently MSNBC's chief breaking news anchor and primetime election anchor.

I thought NBC kicked him out, and now he's at the little kids network.

 

[Thundercrack85]

These rules and this system in the DNC has been in place for decades. Some of the system has been in place much longer. Bernie made a conscious decision to join the party and participate in its system and process. Its not for him to decide to turn the board over just because he is losing and sucks at winning within the system and rules that were in place long before Hillary came along. If he doesnt want to play by these rules and be a part of the democrat party and cooperate with it then he should have kept his ass an Independent.

Hillary is winning superdelegates, delegates, and the popular vote, because among other reasons she actually wants to help the party (Democrat voters actually do care about the party and its goals because the democrat voters share many of the same goals hence why they are democrats in the first place.), she wants to help democrats down ticket, she is actually a democrat, she seems to be attracting more diverse voters. And Im sure there are a number of other valid reasons she is ahead and not a one of them is a conspiracy to rig the game.

Meanwhile Bernie, the troublesome rebellious independent that is only pretending to be a democrat, is ****ting on the party, he throws anything and everything that isnt for him and his goals under the bus, compromise doesnt seem to be in his wheelhouse, he is helping Trump by spiting Hillary and the party, and he is promoting sweeping massive changes that dont have a gnat's fart's chance in a hurricane of happening. His proposals were a nice dream at first but its time to get real. His proposals aren't going to make it through the house or senate regardless of who controls them and if they do they will likely result in a mess of epic proportions. Bernie just isnt the way. Not for the country or the party.

So is it any wonder he is behind Hillary and hasnt caught up?

The DNC doesnt need to rig the game and we dont need to imagine a DNC conspiracy to explain his loss.

Besides, if the DNC had rigged the game Bernie wouldnt have even made it this far.

Really, the DNC didn't fight the number of debates, and try to have them scheduled at weird times?

I don't think Bernie could win, but they were against him from day one. Well, not just Bernie, anyone who wasn't Hillary.

The Republican and Democratic party should switch names.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Bernie's supporters going to super sexist in Nevada. That is a great look...

 

[Schlosser85]

Bernie and his supporters néed to stop. All he is going to do at this point is be a spoiler for Trump.

 

[summerteeth]

Bernie's supporters going to super sexist in Nevada. That is a great look...

And then he denies it happened. I criticized him when his supporters broke up the Trump rally and used violence twice and he failed to condemn it. The man is a serious Piece of poop and clueless at that. Absolute hypocrite, unlike Trump though I'm chalking it up to the man has no idea what he's doing, while Trump knows exactly what he's doing and is playing everyone for a fool.

 

[BatLobster]

Yeah, I think Bernie is just running out of steam at this point. Not just his campaign, but him personally. Maybe it's exhaustion, but the guy just looks deflated whenever he speaks now and it seems like the passion is gone.

I have no idea why he feels the need to continue his campaign. Maybe he feels a responsibility to all his supporters, but at this point he needs to start taking some responsibility FOR them and actively criticize the ones who are out of line. If he's not going to drop out of the race, he should at least be taking steps to repair some of the division in the party.

 

[craigdbfan]

The wise Paul Manafort said the fireworks won't be at the Republican convention but rather at the Democratic con.

He's right. Stay tuned.

 

[summerteeth]

The wise Paul Manafort said the fireworks won't be at the Republican convention but rather at the Democratic con.

He's right. Stay tuned.

Yeah, I was warning a poster on here that if Bernie supporters keep this up that this could be a replay of Pigasus and the DNC riots in 1968 which made the general electorate run to the arms of Richard Nixon. This is only helping Trump but they are too stupid or "ideologically pure" to see it.

 

[Schlosser85]

I have two hardcore Berners on my Facebook who bash Hillary several times a day like it's their job and continually call for her to bow out.

 

[summerteeth]

I have two hardcore Berners on my Facebook who bash Hillary several times a day like it's their job and continually call for her to bow out.

Well... Bernie supporters don't have actual jobs right?

 

[Matt Mortem]

I'm a Bernie supporter and I admit that he doesn't have a shot at the nomination. He needs to, and his supporters need to, stop going after Hillary so hard. That's how you hand the presidency over Trump.

 

[Schlosser85]

Well... Bernie supporters don't have actual jobs right?

Just in my personal anecdotal experience, the stereotype of not having jobs fits Trump's supporters more than Sanders'.

 

[Legendver2]

Seems more and more that Sanders is continuing his campaign out of spite and bitterness really...

 

[souvlaki]

Seems more and more that Sanders is continuing his campaign out of spite and bitterness really...

Considering he just accepted an invitation for a debate on Fox News knowing full well Clinton will never agree to a debate on said network and is likely doing it just to try to rub it in Clinton's face that she is avoiding debates I'd say this is a fair assumption.

 

[Victarion]

What's keeping Clinton from debating him? If she wants to dog him out of the race, beating him with policy in a debate seems the best course for her.

 

[Kelly]

Well, it looks like now that the Democratic Convention will end up being what everyone thought the Republican Convention was going to be....

This is going to be entertainment central at both conventions...can't wait!

 

[Marvolo]

A debate on Fox would be a joke and really a waste of her time at this point. And to debate Bernie would be to legitimize him. He has no chance of being nominated and he isnt a contender or an opponent at this point. No matter how much he thinks he is. If she debates him she is telling people that he is still a contender. Just ignore him. In 3 weeks this will all be over regardless of what he thinks will happen at the convention.

 

[Kelly]

Hey, DO NOT RAIN on my convention fun.

 

[Marvolo]

 

[Matt]

What's keeping Clinton from debating him? If she wants to dog him out of the race, beating him with policy in a debate seems the best course for her.

No it isn't. Debating Sanders adds legitimacy to a race that should have no legitimacy. Sanders has no path to victory. The primary is over. She should be focusing on Trump rather than pretending she is still in a primary race.

Sanders played right into Fox's hands, just as he played into Trump's. Now Fox can criticize "crooked Hillary" for being too cowardly to face her rival in a debate, although the debate had no purpose and would not impact the election in anyway. It would be a waste of time and money that could be spent focusing on Trump. Fox only proposed the debate because Fox knew Hillary would say no and Sanders would say yes and that would allow them to run further stories about Hillary fears being questioned, wants to sweep her dirt under the rug, etc. They wouldn't be able to run with that narrative if Sanders either withdrew or said no to a pointless debate.

Of course, saying Sanders played into their hands may be too kind to him at this point. I no longer buy into the kindly but stubborn and naive old man act. He knows exactly what he is doing. He is actively trying to embitter his base as he has decided that if he can't have the nomination, no Democrat can have the presidency.

 

[Victarion]

Thanks for clarifying that, Matt. I'm here playing connect four while you're playing Korean Star Craft 2.

The embitterment tactic seems to be working - I keep an eye on all the main subreddits for his year's presidential race; there's a thread on Bernie's where some people postulate that the GOP and DNC are in the same boat as the big banks...in need of breaking up.

 

[souvlaki]

Yeah, there is no way if Hillary showed up to a debate on Fox that the moderators wouldn't try to bury her the entire time while throwing softballs at Sanders. I also don't think Sanders is naive enough to not know this is what would happen which is probably why he accepted it. I'm not sure if it's bitterness or ego or what his problem is at this point but I genuinely believe he's trying to take down the entire party with him if he doesn't get the nomination at this point. I hope he proves me wrong after June 7th but he's had plenty of time to tone down the rhetoric. What's funny is I think he would have gotten way more influence in the Senate on his pet projects if he dropped out a month ago then by staying in the race.

 

[Marvolo]

Just looking at his actions in this primary season, he doesnt strike me as a forward thinking intelligent man. He is willing to burn bridges with the Dems in a futile attempt to get the nomination. Its a foolish all or nothing approach. No matter the costs mindset. If he got the nomination and the presidency he would have a senate and house controlled by republicans with surly upset dems in the minority. Neither will be eager to suppoet his goals and projects. Who exactly would be left to support his pet projects once he is president? And if he loses the primaries and doesnt get the nomination (the only outcome at this point) he will have to return to the senate after giving his party the finger and potentially costing it the election. So what is the endgame? Does he even have one or is this just blind pettiness and pride?

 

[souvlaki]

Just looking at his actions in this primary season, he doesnt strike me as a forward thinking intelligent man. He is willing to burn bridges with the Dems in a futile attempt to get the nomination. Its a foolish all or nothing approach. No matter the costs mindset. If he got the nomination and the presidency he would have a senate and house controlled by republicans with surly upset dems in the minority. Neither will be eager to suppoet his goals and projects. Who exactly would be left to support his pet projects once he is president? And if he loses the primaries and doesnt get the nomination (the only outcome at this point) he will have to return to the senate after giving his party the finger and potentially costing it the election. So what is the endgame? Does he even have one or is this just blind pettiness and pride?

It's one of three thing. Either he is legitimately pissed at the Democratic Party and just wants the whole party to go down with him, he is naive enough to think he is actually strengthening the party like he says by bringing new voters into the process (which a month or two ago may have been true), or he's naive enough to think he can win. Either of these I can see being the case.

 

[Marvolo]

Bernie lost a superdelgate and Hillary gained one.

Ill be surprised if the other 39 dont leave him and go to Hillary before the convention.

Bernie's superdelegates right now: