"Feel the Bern": The BERNIE SANDERS Thread - Part 2

[auditor]

And replacing it with what? He's not going to get the nomination. So at this point all he's doing is screwing everything up for everyone else.

Well to be fair when it comes to pledged delegates, the gap between the candidates is pretty small. I think he should stay in, but change his tone. Your people have to keep following you in order for you to direct them to unite.

 

[Matt]

Well to be fair when it comes to pledged delegates, the gap between the candidates is pretty small. I think he should stay in, but change his tone. Your people have to keep following you in order for you to direct them to unite.

At this point it is impossible to change his tone. You can't put Pandora back in the box. As long as he is in the race, he will be instigating this hatred toward Clinton and this sense of (nonexistent) martyrdom among his supporters. The only way to end this is to drop out.

 

[Matt]

Bernie Sanders Says Debbie Wasserman Schultz Will Be Gone From DNC If He’s President[



Mod Note: Please do not use the word "******" in a derogatory manner.


Can a president fire a party chairman? Doesnt the party decide who the chairman is? Not just the president.

Not that this matters, because Sanders isnt going to be president...ever.

No, the President cannot fire the Chairman. However, if the President puts pressure on the party, under normal circumstances they would probably crack. But I don't think that would happen here because even if somehow Bernie Sanders did steal the presidency, the Democratic leadership would be no more inclined to work with him than the Republican leadership is to work with Trump. Not after Bernie's scorched Earth policy.

Another fun excerpt from the letter in which he promised to fire Schultz:

"The political revolution is not just about electing a president, sisters and brothers," read a Sanders campaign email sent Sunday. "We need a Congress with members who believe, like Bernie, that we cannot change a corrupt system by taking its money."

We "need" that, yet he has only campaigned for three down ticket candidates and shared money and fundraising resources with none.

This is the biggest reason I doubt the sincerity of Bernie Sanders. If this were a revolution larger than himself, as he claims, he would act like it. But he has wanted it to be about HIM the whole time. He has supported virtually no down ticket candidates (which would be necessary for his movement to work). Instead it has been "Bernie, Bernie, Bernie." This isn't a guy who wants a revolution. This is a guy who wants to stretch out his 15 minutes of fame.

 

[auditor]

At this point it is impossible to change his tone. You can't put Pandora back in the box. As long as he is in the race, he will be instigating this hatred toward Clinton and this sense of (nonexistent) martyrdom among his supporters. The only way to end this is to drop out.

I actually think if he drops out suddenly, his supporters will attribute it to the system being rigged. That is why I think he needs to stay in, but change his tone.

Plus the Bengazi report comes out in like a month. Just as a precaution I want Bernie to stay in. The stakes are bigger than ever with Trump as the nominee.

 

[TheCommissioner]

http://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2016/05/22/white-male-led-revolution-american-inequality-say/

Sanders and other white progressives have long been challenged on this by people of color, but as Sikivu Hutchinson noted, Sanders and his ilk have longed disdained any inter-sectional analysis on race and income inequality. Sanders isn’t immune to these kind of racial blind spots because he participated in protests against housing discrimination in the 1960s. The more I talk to people of color and women who have long been involved in liberal politics, the more they confirm that white male left progressives can exhibit as much racial arrogance and misogyny as their conservative counterparts.

 

[Matt]

I actually think if he drops out suddenly, his supporters will attribute it to the system being rigged. That is why I think he needs to stay in, but change his tone.

Plus the Bengazi report comes out in like a month. Just as a precaution I want Bernie to stay in. The stakes are bigger than ever with Trump as the nominee.

But that's the thing. You just identified his exact end game: the Benghazi Report. The Benghazi Report is a report commissioned by a Republican House with political motivations. Hell, the chairman of the committee (a Republican representative from South Carolina) made a point of saying on Meet the Press this morning that the report would be "out before the conventions." This report has no validity. It is designed for one thing: to discredit Hillary Clinton. It is the result of a witch hunt. And Sanders, being the man of "integrity" and "decency" that he is, is counting on that. He is going to use it to tear the party down even further. If he can't have the nomination...no Democrat can have the presidency. That is his strategy at this point.

 

[auditor]

At this point it is impossible to change his tone. You can't put Pandora back in the box. As long as he is in the race, he will be instigating this hatred toward Clinton and this sense of (nonexistent) martyrdom among his supporters. The only way to end this is to drop out.

I actually think if he drops out suddenly, his supporters will attribute it to the system being rigged. That is why I think he needs to stay in, but change his tone.

Plus the Bengazi report comes out in like a month. Just as a precaution I want Bernie to stay in. The stakes are bigger than ever with Trump as the nominee.

 

[Victarion]

I wouldn't count Hillary out of it. She's got way more people on her team; Trump's got seventy employed. There's the Clinton name to consider, plus I'm sure Hillary has her team stockpiling dirt on Trump for the throwdowns in the General.

 

[auditor]

But that's the thing. You just identified his exact end game: the Benghazi Report. The Benghazi Report is a report commissioned by a Republican House with political motivations. Hell, the chairman of the committee (a Republican representative from South Carolina) made a point of saying on Meet the Press this morning that the report would be "out before the conventions." This report has no validity. It is designed for one thing: to discredit Hillary Clinton. It is the result of a witch hunt. And Sanders, being the man of "integrity" and "decency" that he is, is counting on that. He is going to use it to tear the party down even further. If he can't have the nomination...no Democrat can have the presidency. That is his strategy at this point.

I believe this coming report has no validity, but what if it does? If there's even a one in a million chance, that it contains information damaging to Hillary, then Bernie needs to stay in the race.

But I do wish he would change his tone.

 

[auditor]

I wouldn't count Hillary out of it. She's got way more people on her team; Trump's got seventy employed. There's the Clinton name to consider, plus I'm sure Hillary has her team stockpiling dirt on Trump for the throwdowns in the General.

in all likelihood Hillary Clinton will probably destroy Donald Trump

 

[auditor]

http://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2016/05/22/white-male-led-revolution-american-inequality-say/

No non whites and no females have ever discriminated against anyone, is what I learned from that article.

 

[auditor]

Double post

 

[TheCommissioner]

No non whites and no females have ever discriminated against anyone, is what I learned from that article.

if that's what you learned, then you are exactly the type of person that article was talking about

 

[auditor]

if that's what you learned, then you are exactly the type of person that article was talking about

I did or said nothing racist, but if I'm a white male progressive I must automatically be racist?

Your pre judging me to say the least. My idols are Michael Jackson and President Obama! My wife is an immigrant from Mexico. You will never ever ever find an example of me being racist.

Yet you just assume I'm racist when I didn't even say anything about any race. that was my problem with the article. If somebody says something racist then go after em like hell, but not beforehand!

 

[TheCommissioner]

I did or said nothing racist, but if I'm a white male progressive I must automatically be racist?

Your pre judging me to say the least. My idols are Michael Jackson and President Obama! My wife is an immigrant from Mexico. You will never ever ever find an example of me being racist.

Yet you just assume I'm racist when I didn't even say anything about any race. that was my problem with the article. If somebody says something racist then go after em like hell, but not beforehand!

no one said you were racist

what the article is saying is that hitching a political revolution to white men is bass ackwards

 

[auditor]

I went back and reread the article in case I misinterpreted something. I did not. I don't know if it was intentional or not but that author is biased against white people. he even says you can't bring white working-class people into the fold because their too racist. he even says don't bet on a white person to come into politics and help fix our problems here. He admits he prefers a black or Latino. that is racist. the article goes on to make it sound as if every white person is automatically racist. the author even implies that Bernie Sanders is racist.

not all white people are racist. a lot of us really hate that kind of stuff.is it inappropriate to just go out and call those people racist anyways.

 

[Matt]

I believe this coming report has no validity, but what if it does? If there's even a one in a million chance, that it contains information damaging to Hillary, then Bernie needs to stay in the race.

But I do wish he would change his tone.

I don't think you quite understand how the system works. By suspending his campaign, Sanders would not be disqualifying himself from putting himself out there at the convention in the event that Clinton is indicted or that the Benghazi report turns up something truly damning (although if there was something THAT damning to be found Clinton would not have ran for President to begin with, knowing it was out there).

The only thing Sanders does by staying in the race is keep his campaign alive and with that comes his supporters. Changing his tone does nothing. He has worked people up into a state of absolute class warfare and every day that they lose a battle (which will be every day that this campaign continues because Sanders has no path to victory) they become even more embittered....which is precisely what Sanders wants.

 

[auditor]

I don't think you quite understand how the system works. By suspending his campaign, Sanders would not be disqualifying himself from putting himself out there at the convention in the event that Clinton is indicted or that the Benghazi report turns up something truly damning (although if there was something THAT damning to be found Clinton would not have ran for President to begin with, knowing it was out there).

The only thing Sanders does by staying in the race is keep his campaign alive and with that comes his supporters. Changing his tone does nothing. He has worked people up into a state of absolute class warfare and every day that they lose a battle (which will be every day that this campaign continues because Sanders has no path to victory) they become even more embittered....which is precisely what Sanders wants.

I hope you are wrong.I voted for Bernie, but Hillary won the most committed delegates, therefore Hillary should be the nominee. and Bernie should be gracious

 

[Kelly]

I went back and reread the article in case I misinterpreted something. I did not. I don't know if it was intentional or not but that author is biased against white people. he even says you can't bring white working-class people into the fold because their too racist. he even says don't bet on a white person to come into politics and help fix our problems here. He admits he prefers a black or Latino. that is racist. the article goes on to make it sound as if every white person is automatically racist. the author even implies that Bernie Sanders is racist.

not all white people are racist. a lot of us really hate that kind of stuff.is it inappropriate to just go out and call those people racist anyways.

He never said he preferred a black or Latino...

And if I had to wager, I wouldn’t put my money on said messianic figure being a privileged white male from the Northeast. I’d put my money on a black woman from the south or a Latina from the Southwest, someone who on an ontological and inter-sectional level understands the various power paradigms that contribute to unfairness in this country and can competently speak to and address all of them, and not just get fixated on one.

Betting money on it doesn't mean you prefer it, it simply means you think that is what will happen, and are willing to put money on it.

I agree with him, I do not see someone like Bernie Sanders being the catalyst for change in this country, or some kind of revolution that he speaks of..... Why? because he JUST ISN'T THE GUY FOR IT....just as Trump has found the pissed off people in the Republican party, Sanders has found the pissed off people in the Democratic party.

They are simply 2 sides of the same coin.

The biggest voting blocks today are "working women" and "Latinos" Sanders has no clue how to reach either of those groups. You don't reach those two groups by yelling "Inequality" those two groups will simply come back with "DUH, you just now figuring that out? So what is your plan...." He has no plan. It's not because he's racist, its because he is out of touch with the real world. THAT is what the guy is saying in the article. Thinking that simply raising up the "working class" is going to get you what you want? Is very 1920's, when your major voting blocks were far different looking ...certainly not what will bring change in the 21st Century here in the US. Bernie is clueless...and needs to move on.

And changing his tone, would only help in appearances, it does nothing to change the internal problem and that is, he is out of touch with today's society. He would be wonderful as a man crying for equality in the 1920's....we are not in the 1920's....we are in a society where women are now the majority, women are graduating from college in greater numbers than men, and they are moving into the corporate world in numbers greater than ever before...YET.... https://www.americanprogress.org/is...7/85457/fact-sheet-the-womens-leadership-gap/ They know all about inequality, they could school Bernie....they don't want to hear words, they want to see viable plans that have a chance of working .

The guy is not talking about race, as in racism....he is talking about actual "knowledge", true knowledge of how society works today. Bernie does not have that knowledge...

In reality, the author of that article, nor Mr. Sanders knows what the hell they are talking about.

 

[auditor]

Latinos are only like around 10 percent of the voters. They are not the biggest bloc. Maybe the fastest growing, but not the biggest.

And his article did imply that Bernie was racist, along with all white male progressives. Way too much singling out just white people.

Bernie is right though. We already win the female and non whites. If were going to expand we got one place left to go.

 

[auditor]

I have been second guessing my vote for Bernie. Unless something happens that is really damaging to Hillary, she is our nominee and I hope to god she kicks Donald Trump's arse so bad it's embarrassing.

 

[Marvolo]

Bernie Sanders Says Debbie Wasserman Schultz Will Be Gone From DNC If He’s President[



Mod Note: Please do not use the word "******" in a derogatory manner.


Can a president fire a party chairman? Doesnt the party decide who the chairman is? Not just the president.

Not that this matters, because Sanders isnt going to be president...ever.

How is calling a non mentally handicapped person a ****** any different from calling a non mentally handicapped person a moron, idiot, stupid, fool, dumb, dumbass etc? I'm not degraded an actual mentally handicapped person that can't help it. The word "******" isn't even the official term for referring to mentally handicapped people anymore. These days it's meant to be a purely a derogatory word used against sane mentally capable people who are acting stupid and it's used interchangeably with those words I mentioned. So what's the harm and why the double standard?

And that gif has been allowed on these forums since that film came out. Are we now treating it like that silly *bird of prey* punch rule?

 

[Kelly]

Latinos are only like around 10 percent of the voters. They are not the biggest bloc. Maybe the fastest growing, but not the biggest.

And his article did imply that Bernie was racist, along with all white male progressives. Way too much singling out just white people.

Bernie is right though. We already win the female and non whites. If were going to expand we got one place left to go.

A problem in my wording, I apologize, as far as sheer number? you are correct....as far as the power within their block, far greater than most people realize. Latina women alone, graduation rates have increased faster than any other group of women, with that knowledge comes power.

It is far more important than you think....

The potential electorate in November will be about 226 million voters, a five percent increase since the last presidential election in 2012. There is a sharp change in the racial and ethnic composition of this potential electorate, with a 6 % increase in African-Americans, a 17 % increase in Latinos, a 16% increase in Asian-Americans, and only a 2% increase in white non-Latinos. This huge increase in Latino voters is driven largely by Latino U.S. citizens reaching 18 years of age, partly by naturalization of immigrants and party by the arrival of large numbers of people from economically distressed Puerto Rico. By a 1917 law, all Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens and can vote in general elections if they live in the continental United States or Hawaii.

 

[auditor]

I think I should have voted for Hillary. Bernie voted against the bail out, almost killed Obamacare, and he's been way too harsh on Obama. The guy is naive. And not helping democrats down the ballot? Comparing Hillary to the republicans.

 

[Paradoxium]

The guy on the right is a Bernie supporter (Harlan Hill). He more or less sums up what I've heard from other Bernie supporters.