"Final Curtain" Season 2: Episode 26 Discussion Thread

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It came as no surprise that The Green Goblin is the one and only
Norman Osborn
but now with his supposed death, How much you wanna bet
Harry Osborn
will take up the mantel of The Goblin now and seek revenge against Spider-Man (Finding out he's none other than his best friend Peter Parker .)

Providing their's a season 3 to begin with ...
 
I (and many others) called the key parts of Norman's plan, but I have to say, the Goblin fakeout is a lot more slapdash than I had expected. Norman was unaware that Harry was using the Green until, well, the last possible moment, which makes a lot of his actions in The Uncertainty Principle a bit weird (most particularly, flying back to his house knowing Spidey is following him without any kind of strategy; there wasn't any reason for him to return directly home, particularly when he was apparently faking the limp).

And, yeah, he apparently doesn't know who Peter is, which makes the whole mentoring thing kind of stick out (though the show never really did anything with that either).
 
Now excuse me...I'm going to go watch it again. If "The Batman" can make it to 5 seasons, HOW is it that this show is on the ropes.

Becouse Warner is much smarter on developing animated cartoons and have years of experience for TV audience, i believe this is Sony first time, and both Sonys (america and japan) are bankrupting,so you can understand why they arent promoting this as much.
 
I (and many others) called the key parts of Norman's plan, but I have to say, the Goblin fakeout is a lot more slapdash than I had expected. Norman was unaware that Harry was using the Green until, well, the last possible moment, which makes a lot of his actions in The Uncertainty Principle a bit weird (most particularly, flying back to his house knowing Spidey is following him without any kind of strategy; there wasn't any reason for him to return directly home, particularly when he was apparently faking the limp).

And, yeah, he apparently doesn't know who Peter is, which makes the whole mentoring thing kind of stick out (though the show never really did anything with that either).
Apparently the sick bastard was gonna frame Emily. Knock her out put the costume on her and twist her leg when Harry was conveniently layin on the floor. Either that or the butler. LOL
 
As for the mentoring maybe he does know, thats just one cat he plans on keepin in the bag until his return.
 
Okay, so there is no way to tell that for certain, but...Given the things we know from the comics..

Kingsley DOES retreat to the Cayman islands every now and then (he's currently there in the comics, I think). Also, let's presume it IS Kingsley... Then it would be entirely possible for him to somehow learn about the Green formula through Osborn or his notes.

Then again, you are kinda right you can't tell for sure, but...

The guy seems to have the same build as Kingsley, and even though the cartoon has every right to do so, I wonder WHY they would chose to put 'just a random old black dude' behind Norman on a plane to the Cayman islands. This show is a bit too well planned for that

So, that's just me thinking :).

I had to watch it again and it looks NOTHING LIKE HIM,:o not the hair, not the build. it just a random black guy with a hot milf going to a swing party on bahamas, and people think this is a kid cartoon.......pff
 
I hope all the Liz Allen-Haters are satisfied.
Pete dumped her and she ran off to curl up and cry all by her lonesome. After her mutated brother was sent off to a maximum security prison.
You all must be so thrilled.
 
Yeah, sucked for her, i really though they would have harry finding and conforting her, but nooooot, the spoiled brat must suffer,becouse greg and co hates latins !
i feel bad for her, she was so nice, much diferent from her comics version wich i hated untill she married harry.
 
Well if their's a season 3 they could start Liz & Harry as a couple . She does end up marrying Harry Osborn and gives birth to Normie Osborn in the comics.

So I guess they could start the ground work for that now with Liz & Harry dating after getting both break up from Peter & Gwen .
 
Uhh..WOW not only the best episode in The Spectacular Spider-Man series but in all superhero cartoons. I'll put it in spoilers just in case no one has seen the episode yet.

As everyone though Norman has been the Green Goblin the entire time since Season 1 and just used his son as a cover up. The entire fight sequence from the beginning at the Norman's home to the the aerial fight around the city was brilliantly made. They did a perfect job of showing how twisted and cruel Norman Osborn is, he even physically hurt his son to cover him up. Seeing Spider-Man in a battle worn costume was great and they should try to insert that a bit more in the series because with all the battles he does the costume must get damaged once in a while. They took a lot out of the first Spider-Man film with the funeral looking very similar but instead of Harry hugging Peter he hugs Gwen and Spider-Man's mask cut so you can see his eye. I didn't think Liz would get that upset over Peter dumping her but it was for nothing as Gwen couldn't break it off with Harry at the time.

I agree with anyone that has said they can see Harry being the next Green Goblin, but not next season I think they'll leave him out. We all know Norman is alive but I don't see him coming into the picture anytime soon.
 
Can anyone provide a link to the episode please? Damn, I feel as if I'm reallt missing out.
 
It is on Veoh, just type spectacular spiderman final curtain in.

As for the episode, what an ending. I already knew Normie was the GG, but the whole Donald Menkin and Chameleon is what I loved as well. And they didn't kill him off. Seems the Lizard may return, Harry is going down in his fathers footsteps and the end was poor for Pete. I thought the only badthing was Pumpkin with the flying machines. I don't know why, but itr felt wierd. GARGAN IS MENTIONED!!!!! Poor Liz, and well Norman has his very own catchphrase "I never apologise." I though it was brilliant that Harry knew his dad was a fake. Gobby really wanted to kill spidey, nice blonde hair tourist design at the end.

10/10

This show NEEDS a third season.
 
I hope all the Liz Allen-Haters are satisfied.
Pete dumped her and she ran off to curl up and cry all by her lonesome. After her mutated brother was sent off to a maximum security prison.
You all must be so thrilled.

There really are Liz Haters? Why?

It's not so much "hate" for the character, but it's pretty clear that, while certainly there's sympathy for her considering how Peter took her feelings for granted and led her on all this time, she's not entirely blameless. After all, one could say in the back of her mind that [blackout]Peter breaking up with her because he wanted to be with Gwen[/blackout] was a strong possibility. She knew darn well that Peter loved Gwen more than her, and while she genuinely did love him, the only reasons she went out with Peter at all was because of jealousy over Gwen and not wanting to be the only member of the in-crowd not in a relationship. That's a sign of real immaturity, although what do you except from a teenager and, I suppose all's fair in love and war. Although make no mistake, it's entirely Peter's fault for the situation he put Liz, Gwen, and himself in.
 
I (and many others) called the key parts of Norman's plan, but I have to say, the Goblin fakeout is a lot more slapdash than I had expected. Norman was unaware that Harry was using the Green until, well, the last possible moment, which makes a lot of his actions in The Uncertainty Principle a bit weird (most particularly, flying back to his house knowing Spidey is following him without any kind of strategy; there wasn't any reason for him to return directly home, particularly when he was apparently faking the limp).

And, yeah, he apparently doesn't know who Peter is, which makes the whole mentoring thing kind of stick out (though the show never really did anything with that either).

I agree, that is quite a miracle that worked in favor of Norman. Harry just happens to be there passed out with globulin next to him allowing Norman to hide his identity. Alternatively, I don't think Norman would have had enough time to get either Mrs. Osborn or the Butler to disguise as the Goblin because Spidey was very close behind him, since he would have to find them first, then put them out, dress them etc etc. Plus, that way he'll risk exposing his Id to either of them, well he can always kill his butler knowing how twisted he really is. Chameleon infiltrating Oscorp as Norman was equally odd: Chameleon just walked in the facility without care, and Goblin just happened to be there stealing his equipment. I don't usually nit pick these sort of things but these are key part of the story and of the whole mystery of GG, so I think they should have been thought out well.
 
I agree, that is quite a miracle that worked in favor of Norman. Harry just happens to be there passed out with globulin next to him allowing Norman to hide his identity. Alternatively, I don't think Norman would have had enough time to get either Mrs. Osborn or the Butler to disguise as the Goblin because Spidey was very close behind him, since he would have to find them first, then put them out, dress them etc etc. Plus, that way he'll risk exposing his Id to either of them, well he can always kill his butler knowing how twisted he really is. Chameleon infiltrating Oscorp as Norman was equally odd: Chameleon just walked in the facility without care, and Goblin just happened to be there stealing his equipment. I don't usually nit pick these sort of things but these are key part of the story and of the whole mystery of GG, so I think they should have been thought out well.

To be fair, though, Norman's probably figured having the Green Goblin fake a limp was the simplest and quickest way he could throw suspicion off himself entirely since he knew Spidey would see him, out of costume, be walking normally. However, finding Harry passed out, he saw an opportunity to cement his alibi further and took it. The same with the Chameleon as it was merely chance that he showed up just as he was robbing Oscorp. That's what makes this version of the Green Goblin good, in that while he can manipulate and scheme long term plans, he's also quick and smart enough to adapt to the situation if need be. Although, I agree, Norman trying to throw Spidey off track relied more on lucky breaks than anything else.
 
It's not so much "hate" for the character, but it's pretty clear that, while certainly there's sympathy for her considering how Peter took her feelings for granted and led her on all this time, she's not entirely blameless. After all, one could say in the back of her mind that [blackout]Peter breaking up with her because he wanted to be with Gwen[/blackout] was a strong possibility. She knew darn well that Peter loved Gwen more than her, and while she genuinely did love him, the only reasons she went out with Peter at all was because of jealousy over Gwen and not wanting to be the only member of the in-crowd not in a relationship. That's a sign of real immaturity, although what do you except from a teenager and, I suppose all's fair in love and war. Although make no mistake, it's entirely Peter's fault for the situation he put Liz, Gwen, and himself in.

What the hell are you blabing about ? she was dating FLASH ! "the Flash
Thompson" at the time, she was popular.

The reason she got interested in peter, was becouse when peter dumped her at the tutoring, something she never expected as she was popular and desired,but also showed that he was open to help her, she realised she needed, or wanted someone who cared about her,not becouse she was popular.

Your interpretation of this show Liz is completely wrong, and sure she rubed on gwens face whenever peter and gwen were toguether, what girlfriend wouldnt do the same thing when she sees a girl who is interested in your man giving him a warm talk ? She was protective of her love, teenagers do this a lot,in different ways.

The reason she blow off to break with peter instead, was not to break her face now that the in crowd were all dating, and she who choose the "looser" was being dumped by him.But the show is carefull enough to show her alone crying, wich means she wasnt being a sally avril, she was just using a mask.
 
What the hell are you blabing about ? she was dating FLASH ! "the Flash
Thompson" at the time, she was popular.

The reason she got interested in peter, was becouse when peter dumped her at the tutoring, something she never expected as she was popular and desired,but also showed that he was open to help her, she realised she needed, or wanted someone who cared about her,not becouse she was popular.

Your interpretation of this show Liz is completely wrong, and sure she rubed on gwens face whenever peter and gwen were toguether, what girlfriend wouldnt do the same thing when she sees a girl who is interested in your man giving him a warm talk ? She was protective of her love, teenagers do this a lot,in different ways.

The reason she blow off to break with peter instead, was not to break her face now that the in crowd were all dating, and she who choose the "looser" was being dumped by him.But the show is carefull enough to show her alone crying, wich means she wasnt being a sally avril, she was just using a mask.

I'm not disputing any of this, as I said that she genuinely grew to love Peter, starting from after he attempted to tutor her and she began to see that he was different from guys like Flash and that attracted her. Not to mention that when the two of them were together at Coney Island, she had a good time with Peter, and, of course, she was hurt when she saw Flash with MJ. And even after breaking up with Flash, she was still popular. I get all of that.

However, it was very, very clear that she knew Peter and Gwen had feelings for each other. Everybody at the school--even Flash--knew that Gwen was attracted to Peter. And yet Liz moved in and took advantage of the fact that Peter and Gwen were too shy to admit their real feelings for one another, especially Peter since Gwen, on MJ's advice, at least took the initiative and kissed him first.

Was that wrong of Liz to do this? Of course not. Peter was fair game since he wasn't dating anyone. But Liz, on some level, knew darn well she was playing with fire. As you said, she rubbed it in Gwen's face that she and Peter were together. On Valentine's Day, she was just as upset that she was alone on the "most romantic night of the year" as much as Peter having to ditch her at the resturant. Likewise, when she accused MJ of trying to split her and Peter up so that he could be with Gwen, shows just how jealous and insecure the foundation of her relationship with Peter is. She even tells Peter in this episode that if had been Gwen in the play, he would have made it, basically laying a guilt trip on him. Those are all signs of how immature she is when it comes to matters of the heart and that she was more concerned about her own feelings rather than Peter's.

The fact that she felt she had to save face in front of the in-crowd by pretending she broke up with Peter rather than acknoeledging Peter broke up with her is a sign that she's still a bit self-centered. Obviously, she's no Sally Arvil and Peter was definitely guilty of leading her on all this time; both her brother Mark and Aunt May were right about that. But Liz is clearly someone who has not learned that relationships are not always centered around you. Granted, she's an adolescent who still has some growing up to do, and I imagine that Peter breaking up with her will be a step in realizing that, sometimes, love is more than just your feelings--it's about others as well.
 
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My only complaint is that [blackout]after the Goblin flew directly into the watertower filled with Pumpkin Bombs (damn, there had to be over 500,000 Pumpkin Bombs in this one episode alone!), we see Harry shout NOOOOO!!! and Spidey's reaction...then BAM! Funeral...that scene could have been dragged out a little bit longer...show Harry land his helicopter and grieve/look in disbelief, show Spider-Man swing away conflicted and/or empty...ya know, instead, Goblin "dies", one second shot of Harry, two second shot of Spider-Man, then the funeral. That was the only flaw here.[/blackout] This episode was otherwise fantastic.
 
However, it was very, very clear that she knew Peter and Gwen had feelings for each other. Everybody at the school--even Flash--knew that Gwen was attracted to Peter. And yet Liz moved in and took advantage of the fact that Peter and Gwen were too shy to admit their real feelings for one another, especially Peter since Gwen, on MJ's advice, at least took the initiative and kissed him first.

Oh, she knew Gwen was into him, sure. But Pete didn't even know he was into Gwen until after Thanksgiving dinner. And considering the fun times they had at Coney Island before, it wasn't unthinkable to think Liz had a shot with him.

Anyhoo, the plot thickens for our characters.

Harry's kind of being a tool at the end of this ep, guilt tripping Gwen into staying with him at his dad's funeral when he knows full well of her reciprocated feelings for Peter.
 
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