Apocalypse Fox officially reveals the running time for this movie

[def28]

If there was an issue with the editing of X2 and DOFP I could understand, but there's not. It's a good runtime for a film like this. They made the right calls on what to cut for DOFP, while X2 is just pitch perfect from an editing stand point imo.

 

[Sithborg]

I can't imagine someone on this forum prefering a long movie over a quality movie. Wanting a long movie for the sake of it or to 'beat' BvS or CW is stupid.

It's just the fan boys and girls in us. You want to spend a lot of time with these characters and you don't want it to end.

Just look at those that are claiming that the Rogue Cut is the better movie. It has scenes that they like, but it is definitely not a better movie.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

If there was an issue with the editing of X2 and DOFP I could understand, but there's not. It's a good runtime for a film like this. They made the right calls on what to cut for DOFP, while X2 is just pitch perfect from an editing stand point imo.

I disagree man.

IMO there was a issue with DOFP cut. After seeing DOFP The Rogue Cut I don't understand why they cut that from the theatrical release.

I don't buy the whole "pacing thing". I know that Singer and Fox said it was the pacing of the movie but I don't believe it. You know that people can lie right?

They are lying. If it was just me I'd shut up now. But a lot of fans, I mean a lot, agree that The Rogue Cut is the best and most complete version of DOFP, so I don't understand the cut.

The only logical reason I can believe is that the Rogue Cut was a long movie and Fox wanted a shorter movie to be able to get more views during a day. That's it.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

Just look at those that are claiming that the Rogue Cut is the better movie. It has scenes that they like, but it is definitely not a better movie.

It is a better movie. In your opinion you feel like it is not, but that just your opinion.

The majority of fans agree that Rogue Cut is the best and more complete version of DOFP.

I don't get why people think that "shorter means more quality". A movie can be large and have better quality than a short one.

 

[def28]

There was no reason for Rogue to be there at all. It did not help strengthen the main narrative in any sense. She's nothing more then a plot device and she feels shoehorned just because.

While it was cool of Fox to release it and see what was cut, I saw barely anything that added to why the film works in a beneficial way.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I don't get why people think that "shorter means more quality". A movie can be large and have better quality than a short one.

Many would say if you could cut several scenes out of BVS and tightened it into a better movie so yeah more scenes and stuff happening doesn't mean more quality either

Truth is rogue wasn't important to DOFP, thats why they could cut her out so easy, it was just a mini adventure before going back to what they were doing before, now it does make sense to why its appreciated but it still wasn't something that needed to be there

 

[psylockolussus]

There was no reason for Rogue to be there at all. It did not help strengthen the main narrative in any sense. She's nothing more then a plot device and she feels shoehorned just because.

While it was cool of Fox to release it and see what was cut, I saw barely anything that added to why the film works in a beneficial way.

She should have been there at the beginning with either Bobby's group or Storm's group. And it would be just cool to her in action... assuming she got stronger after her powers came back.

 

[def28]

That I agree with.

 

[psylockolussus]

With a pony tail hair style, running with high heels and wearing a jacket similar to her 90s iconic costume!

Her punching a Sentinel through the air would have been so epic!!!!!!

 

[freshandclean]

I generally like the Rogue cut, but even after they rescued her, she didn't do anything but sit there.

 

[GuestStar2004]

With a pony tail hair style, running with high heels

Sounds like apocalyptic future wear

Her punching a Sentinel through the air would have been so epic!!!!!!

Then she would have had more luck then most the other future characters, colossus got a 2 hits i guess

 

[Mystique's Leg]

I'm okay with Rogue in DOFP. At least she wasn't just 'there' like Storm, Bishop, Sunspot, Colossus, Warpath and Blink. She got a tiny arc.

It's all about the story. Some stories justify a longer running time, some don't. But a good director shouldn't be afraid to kill their darlings. What is necessary? What is not? Again, the fan in me prefers the Rogue Cut, but I totally understand why the Rogue and the extra Mystique/Beast scenes were cut. However, I don't understand why they cut the extended prologue. It gave more a voice to the future characters.

 

[def28]

I hate that they don't give those characters more of a voice, but Rogue having a little story is exactly why it doesn't work. It's a useless subplot far too late in the game. Hence why the theatrical cut works fine without it. While those other characters could have used something to make us care more they are introduced and established immediately. They are there to show the danger, Rogue should have been introduced with them. She takes the film off course just to introduce her.

 

[freshandclean]

I'm okay with Rogue in DOFP. At least she wasn't just 'there' like Storm, Bishop, Sunspot, Colossus, Warpath and Blink. She got a tiny arc.

It's all about the story. Some stories justify a longer running time, some don't. But a good director shouldn't be afraid to kill their darlings. What is necessary? What is not? Again, the fan in me prefers the Rogue Cut, but I totally understand why the Rogue and the extra Mystique/Beast scenes were cut. However, I don't understand why they cut the extended prologue. It gave more a voice to the future characters.

Hmmmmm. You think Rogue had a better role than Storm in the Rogue cut?

I'm not even a fan of Halle's Storm but her final scenes were everything. And her death scene hit me in the gut (pun unintended). Rogue basically screamed for Bobby once again (Whitney-style) then sat in Kitty's chair for the rest of the film.

 

[Mystique's Leg]

I hate that they don't give those characters more of a voice, but Rogue having a little story is exactly why it doesn't work. It's a useless subplot far too late in the game. Hence why the theatrical cut works fine without it. While those other characters could have used something to make us care more they are introduced and established immediately, Rogue should have been introduced with them. She takes the film off course just to introduce her.

True, it would've worked better if she was more integrated into the story. She could've been captured in the first scene instead of that mutant kid. Or while the newer future mutants got the Moscow scene, the old gang (Storm, Wolverine, Charles and Magneto) could've rescued Rogue in the beginning. It would've given a meatier role to Storm and Magneto and we could've seen old Wolverine vs a future Sentinel.

 

[Mystique's Leg]

Hmmmmm. You think Rogue had a better role than Storm in the Rogue cut?

I'm not even a fan of Halle's Storm but her final scenes were everything. And her death scene hit me in the gut (pun unintended). Rogue basically screamed for Bobby once again (Whitney-style) then sat in Kitty's chair for the rest of the film.

Storm was definitely a scene-stealer in DOFP. For me, she had the best action scene. But that's it. Rogue had a more specific and individual role/purpose, even though it was a subplot that could be cut like def28 said.

They both got shorthanded in the dialogue department. I know lines aren't everything, but you would expect more from these major characters that were there since X1.

 

[def28]

Agreed. When the characters communicate it makes us care more. Just that look Bobby gives Kitty at the beginning gives that scene empathy, likewise when Warpath talks to Blink. The film itself doesn't really do much in terms of making us care about the future characters. I understand the main narrative is for the past but for being major X-Men characters there should have been a bit more effort in the writing there right from the start.

The future stuff is what stops this film from being great for me. But that said it is impressively paced and a very difficult film to edit. More comes down to the writing and creative choices.

 

[kguillou]

I think we can all at least agree that The Wolverine extended cut is unequivocably superior. There was zero reason to cut out that ninja fight scene.

 

[TWayneP]

I think we can all at least agree that The Wolverine extended cut is unequivocably superior. There was zero reason to cut out that ninja fight scene.

Agreed. That Ninja fight really helped ease us into the comic book feel of the finale. It wasn't so jarring. Could have been choreographed better though haha.

Isn't there a poll on the X-Boards somewhere about preference for the Rogue Cut or theatrical cut?

I don't have a hard time believing that fans actually prefer the Rogue cut because it's just more footage. The same fans do not know what it takes to make a good film. Singer made the right call in cutting Rogue. It does have pacing issues. Theres no question about that. They are not just lying.

That said, there could have been a few scenes left in here and there, but PLEASE listen to the commentary track for the Rogue Cut. Ottman explains their feelings on each scene and why the were cut and it makes perfect sense. You NEED to have a brisk pace in a 2 hr 15 minute movie. You can't dottle around too long or the audience loses interest. That was a main issue with BvS. It was horribly edited, dottled around too much and did absolutely nothing for an hour.

The climax of the Rogue cut ran around in circles too much. The Theatrical is much more tense in every way. If Xavier and Magneto have time to just randomly go back to NYC, it relieves the trapped tension of the climax. Rogue also added an easy out for Kitty's injury, which in the theatrical was another point of suspense. You didn't know if she would make it and there was no other choice.

 

[Dopinder]

Agreed. That Ninja fight really helped ease us into the comic book feel of the finale. It wasn't so jarring. Could have been choreographed better though haha.

Isn't there a poll on the X-Boards somewhere about preference for the Rogue Cut or theatrical cut?

I don't have a hard time believing that fans actually prefer the Rogue cut because it's just more footage. The same fans do not know what it takes to make a good film. Singer made the right call in cutting Rogue. It does have pacing issues. Theres no question about that. They are not just lying.

That said, there could have been a few scenes left in here and there, but PLEASE listen to the commentary track for the Rogue Cut. Ottman explains their feelings on each scene and why the were cut and it makes perfect sense. You NEED to have a brisk pace in a 2 hr 15 minute movie. You can't dottle around too long or the audience loses interest. That was a main issue with BvS. It was horribly edited, dottled around too much and did absolutely nothing for an hour.

The climax of the Rogue cut ran around in circles too much. The Theatrical is much more tense in every way. If Xavier and Magneto have time to just randomly go back to NYC, it relieves the trapped tension of the climax. Rogue also added an easy out for Kitty's injury, which in the theatrical was another point of suspense. You didn't know if she would make it and there was no other choice.

One think I liked about the rogue cut is that it added it extra set piece and gave the future cast something to do in the second act. The theatrical cut felt like it was missing an action set piece.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

One think I liked about the rogue cut is that it added it extra set piece and gave the future cast something to do in the second act. The theatrical cut felt like it was missing an action set piece.

That's why Rogue Cut is the best.

 

[psylockolussus]

Isn't there a poll on the X-Boards somewhere about preference for the Rogue Cut or theatrical cut?

I created one before

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=501321

Most people voted for The Rogue Cut

 

[psylockolussus]

Hmmmmm. You think Rogue had a better role than Storm in the Rogue cut?

I'm not even a fan of Halle's Storm but her final scenes were everything. And her death scene hit me in the gut (pun unintended). Rogue basically screamed for Bobby once again (Whitney-style) then sat in Kitty's chair for the rest of the film.

My God!!! Just the realisation that one of the more well known mutants get to be killed first! I knew she was gonna die but I was still in awe when I saw that scene! the edit, being thrown to the cliff just like that! the slow-motion, the music, the mutants' reaction to it - IT WAS EVERYTHING! And as someone who watched the film for four times in theater! In my opinion, it worked well with the audience I was with! Especially the girl beside me couldn't believe that Storm was killed. It was just an amazing scene! Love it!!!

 

[TheNewSlayer]

I created one before

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=501321

Most people voted for The Rogue Cut

Every board I go people prefer The Rogue Cut.

I'm new here in this board but trust me I've being in a lot of x-men boards and all is the same thing, people in general prefer the rogue cut, but there are always people ready to disagree.

 

[BeholdMe]

I really hope this movie does well I am honestly a little nervous just because of the time it comes out with so many big movies surrounding it. I just hope it delivers at the box office because right now all people are talking about is CW which I can see why since it just got released.