Sci-Fi Fringe Thread - Part 2

[Kaleb]

Begining to think that Donald is September (pre observer tech)

 

[Sawyer]

I did find it strange that they never showed his face. And I can't imagine they'd let the entire final season go by without giving Michael Cerveris something awesome to do...

 

[Kaleb]

I did find it strange that they never showed his face. And I can't imagine they'd let the entire final season go by without giving Michael Cerveris something awesome to do...

yeah they have purposely hid his face ( in the Recordist and in the latest episode).What if the reason the observer child wasnt in the room because he was sent into the past into our timeline ( season 1 episode 15 ''inner child'') for its own protection.

 

[Marvolo]

Begining to think that Donald is September (pre observer tech)

Whose donald?

 

[chesslover]

Apparently someone Walter met but no longer remembers.

 

[Kaleb]

ok someone on another messege board has taken my theory one step further

First of all, I hope you can understand my English, I don’t use it since 2007 and it’s a bit rusty.

My theory is that the observers “born” on the beacons. September’s big introduction in the series is on “The Arrival” episode, waiting for the beacon, so it’s clear it has some big connection with him.

At the end of this chapter, Walter tells Peter that he had to protect the beacon for September, as if he knew it was important for him. And it is, as September says he can’t touch the beacon, while Mosley and the others can touch it perfectly. There has to be some special connection between September and that cylinder, kind of "genetic" thing, as he wants it activated and disappeared below ground, that is the mission of the beacon. Of course he can’t “intercede” as he can't touch it, but I think he intercedes after all. Walter says that he “felt” he had to hide the beacon. Probably this “feeling” was induced by September, as at the beginning of “Inner child”, where one of the workers is induced to find the child.

Finally the beacon buries itself and disappears. Nobody finds it. My theory is that it has travelled through time.
A few months later, as shown in “Inner Child”, an “observer” emerges from the underground, but he had been locked there more or less 70 years. Maybe he born from that beacon which travelled through time to the past?
I remember September saying to Walter in “The Arrival”: “it’s too much time to be without something you love”. Maybe some reference to the inner child and the beacon? That “long time” could have been the 70 years the Inner Child spent in the underground; maybe September met the child in the past.

When the inner child was found, he was on a kind of jail and probably he suffered experiments. One interesting detail of the room where he was is that it has a bunk. Maybe the experiments were done with more observers? Was September one of them? At the end of “Inner child” chapter, September and the inner child look each other a long time; they recognize each other?

To speculate a bit more, I think probably those experiments 70 years ago were made by Robert Bishop because in “The arrival” episode Walter buried the beacon on his grave. Maybe it’s a kind of clue or “joke”, pretending a relation between both of them. In front of the grave, Mosley says to Peter: "Shame you never met him”, so Mosley sure met Robert Bishop, and if it’s true and he is bald as the observers, maybe he is the result of experiments with observers and he is there to take the beacon for more experiment proposes, traveling to the past to give it to Robert Bishop. Probably NSA and CIA know that these experiments were made as they are very interested in the recovery of the beacon and the child, probably to make their own experiments with them (the agent that appears in “Inner Child” episode talks about experiments and the child looks at him, first with fear and later, at the end of the chapter, with distrust and kind of hate, so he knows it can happen to him again).

About the origin of the beacon; they were made by the first people? Something related to the vacuum machine? The design is quite similar.

The beacon is composed by iridium; this name of “iridium” comes from Iris, who, in mythology, is a messenger who established the relationships between gods and humanity. Maybe the observers are a link between the First People and us and they have been “activated” now that the incident of 1985 makes possible the construction of the vacuum. Iridium is a too much rare element to not be something “symbolic” here, and the two known beacons arrived after 1985.

Other symbolism I found is in the title of the “Inner Child” chapter. “Inner” meaning “child inside something”, maybe “Child inside the beacon”.

http://fringe-forum.com/forums/show...y-about-beacons-the-inner-child-and-observers

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Peter is [blackout]observant.[/blackout]

[blackout]Loved when Peter teleported

Wonder if his hair will start falling out[/blackout]

[blackout]It is![/blackout]

 

[Still Wynning]

Spoiler

Man, that whole ending sequence, cutting between Walter and Peter, was just brilliant. One wanting to have his intellect reduced to retain his humanity and the ones he loves, and the other becoming more intelligent at the expense of his humanity and the ones he loves.

And playing David Bowie's "The Man Who Sold the World" over all that was just pure genius.

 

[Sawyer]

Aww ****, Peter...

 

[Paradox1]

When you plan revenge dig two graves, seems like Peter is learning this.

 

[Kaleb]

I normally dont think much of Joshua Jacksons performance, but he has been really great this season, knocked it out of the park during last nights episode.

 

[Donut]

Unless they somehow find a way to get Peter back to human. I dont see how this can have a happy ending. At least without a time travel reset

 

[Kaleb]

3 week break

 

[Kaleb]

season 5.11 episode title is revealed to be

Spoiler

''The boy must live''

Spoiler

it was the line that September used in season 2 episode 15, and now Im wondering at that time if he wasnt talking about Peter (like we would all assume) but rather speaking of the Observer child?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Peteserver is gonna look odd bald. Damn the effects were good on that Observer whose face was hanging off.

 

[Siby]

Peteserver is gonna look odd bald. Damn the effects were good on that Observer whose face was hanging off.

Agreed!

It's really cool to see why the Observers are they way are by watching it develop in Peter. I can't wait for the scene where the gang is eating a meal and Peter dumps an entire vial of black pepper on his food.

Also, as cool as it is to see Peter with the powers, it is sad to see how he is changing and losing himself. It's like the old saying about power and corruption.

 

[Kaleb]

What if its revealed that Peter becomes Widmark?,and the reason widmark was smirking when he saw Peter teleport was because he knew that was the last time he was "human".

 

[Siby]

I doubt that Peter will become any of the Observers we have seen. I think Widmark's response was to show that Peter is/was the first Observer.

 

[KingMadness]

Widmark and Peter do look ALOT alike

 

[Sawyer]

Ehhh...

 

[wiegeabo]

If Peter was anyone, he'd be September. Which would explain why September comes back to help, because coming back into contact with the Fringe team resparks his old humanity and memories.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Kaleb every time i see your avatar i think about my friend who looks just told like a cross between cm punk and jesus.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

I doubt that Peter will become any of the Observers we have seen. I think Widmark's response was to show that Peter is/was the first Observer.

Same here.
Widmark knows that what Peter did ( taking the implant ) is the root cause of the Observers invasion in the first place.

 

[Sawyer]

http://tvline.com/2012/12/01/fringe-series-finale-title/

Fringe Boss Reveals Title of Finale, Says Series Ender Is 'Massive… Really Big'

The cast and producers of Fox’s Fringe gathered at the Fairmont Pacific Rim Hotel in Vancouver on Saturday night to celebrate the Warner Bros. TV series’ 100th — and final — episode. And now we have a title for that ultimate hour.

“It is called ‘An Enemy of Fate,’” series boss J.H. Wyman shared with TVLine on the red carpet.

Episode 100 is the second of two hours airing on Friday, Jan. 18.

And while Wyman leading up to and throughout this final season has repeatedly stressed the emotional stakes for Peter, Olivia, Walter et al during these last 13 episodes, make no mistake — this show is going out with a literal bang as well.

“It’s definitely the biggest season finale we’ve ever had,” Wyman promised. “It’s the most expensive…. It’s massive, really big. I wanted to go out like, ‘Wow, how did they do that?’”

“I wanted to make sure I handled [the action element] and the emotions with equal import,” he added.

Fringe resumes its fifth and final run on Friday, Dec. 7 with this season’s eighth episode, “The Human Kind.”

What do you think “An Enemy of Fate” means?

 

[ravn0s]

oh so it's a 2hr finale? cool