Apocalypse Gambit in the Apocalypse Movie

[Matt.S99]

I really don't see Gambit being that young. As youthful as he looks, Channing Tatum does not look 20. 25+, is more like it.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Channing Tatum as Gambit works really well for me. I'm not dying to see a Gambit movie, but if it's well written, and if they throw in some other awesome X-Men in there, it could be really good. I'd love to see Nightcrawler in a Gambit movie

 

[Super Jim]

^ Many have speculated that the "20 years ago" was general, meaning that it could have been 19 years ago, or 18 or even 17; or it could have been 21, or 22 or even 23. This would enable a mid-teen aged Jean in 1983.

But I agree that making Jean, Ororo and/or Scott older than say 16 or 17 in 1983 will make the timeline even worse than it already is. There is almost no way that these kids can be in their 20's in 1983 based on what we know.

Nightcrawler has to be either 19 or 20 years old in 1983 (is Mystique and Azazel are his parents - which they better be!).

And Gambit should be (based on Origins (yuck!) - and the actor) around mid-20's.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It's very likely Scott,jean and storm won't be played by kids in apocalypse so they will have to be a realistic age to be played by young adults and honestly I bet singer chooses to ignore X3 and origins versions of the characters

Either that or singer will ignore the dates and times set by x3 and origins and just say it was all 1979 or something when magneto (who got out of prison I guess) and went to her house with Charles ;p

 

[psylockolussus]

I really don't see Gambit being that young. As youthful as he looks, Channing Tatum does not look 20. 25+, is more like it.

Same here.

 

[The Guard]

Why couldn't Gambit be similar to Wolverine, in that he's been experimented on/cloned, and his age isn't so much a factor anymore? Remember, Gambit was mentioned as part of Weapon X in WOLVERINE. They could use a similar idea here.

 

[Kira]

tatum is gambit?! where have i been? but... ugh. i know it's been said hundred times before, but i have to say it again... that man looks like a potato. a rough potato. and i cannot accept this. please sweet lord, let him have just a glorified cameo.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Why couldn't Gambit be similar to Wolverine, in that he's been experimented on/cloned, and his age isn't so much a factor anymore? Remember, Gambit was mentioned as part of Weapon X in WOLVERINE. They could use a similar idea here.

I doubt very much they will register the connection between this gambit and origins one to that extent if even at all

It will probably be like marvels the Incredible Hulk and avengers hulk... Hints to Canon but you will be lucky if anything from the Incredible Hulk ever shows up in future marvel movies

So far with FC and DOFP it seems like origins isn't really being taken into consideration

 

[The Guard]

Read my post again. I didn't say they'd connect this Gambit to ORIGINS.

I'm talking about the basic concept of Gambit being experimented on.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Read my post again. I didn't say they'd connect this Gambit to ORIGINS.

I'm talking about the basic concept of Gambit being experimented on.

yeah you said "Gambit was mentioned as part of Weapon X in WOLVERINE" and my reply was i very much doubt they would register canon to that degree between apocalypse and origins, if at all

as for experimented and cloned... well it certainly would have to be explained to the audience in some way or another but it also really depends if there is even a good enough reason to do it

 

[Majik1387]

No experimentation or cloned Gambit please. The idea of it in a movie just reeks of atrocity.

 

[SilentWarriorZ]

and sabertooth with mystique and gang

 

[CyclopsSummers]

But Gambit will need to be the oldest, not only based on what we know from Origins, but also from the fact that it's Tatum who will be playing him. My estimate is that he should be mid to late 20's, which makes perfect sense for the actor.

Tatum or Taylor Kirsch may play a good Gambit with original cast members. But because of Origins making him older than Cyclops, Tatum has to play a Gambit from the past.

 

[Majik1387]

Origins was erased; they don't have to follow that movie for anything.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Origins was erased; they don't have to follow that movie for anything.

well technicaly all films except First Class were erased by the time travel In
DOFP.

Besides Gambit In 1983 and Channing Tatum playing him anything goes for Gambit In this discussion.

 

[Super Jim]

Although I do agree that X1 through X3, the Wolverine and Origins, all now didn't happen (possibly) in the new timeline, the ages of characters is something that is finite.

Either the character was born or not. If the character still exists then they were born on the same day (or around the same day) as they did in the original timeline. So IF Origins took place in 1979 (and I'm not saying it did) and Gambit was say 25 (and I'm not saying he was) then in 1983 he'd have to be 29 or so. Again, it's all based on the year the various movies took place, and we're not even sure of that (for most of them) since this whole X-Men movie-verse has been ravaged as it has...

I hate to say it, but for anything to make sense I believe we have to pretend that that wasn't Scott and Ororo that were seen when Xavier used Cerebro in First CLass; and we have to pretend that it wasn't Scott or Emma in Origins.

My sincere hope is that they take appropriate steps not to ravage the timeline any more than they already have going forward...

 

[marvelrobbins]

Although I do agree that X1 through X3, the Wolverine and Origins, all now didn't happen (possibly) in the new timeline, the ages of characters is something that is finite.

Either the character was born or not. If the character still exists then they were born on the same day (or around the same day) as they did in the original timeline. So IF Origins took place in 1979 (and I'm not saying it did) and Gambit was say 25 (and I'm not saying he was) then in 1983 he'd have to be 29 or so. Again, it's all based on the year the various movies took place, and we're not even sure of that (for most of them) since this whole X-Men movie-verse has been ravaged as it has...

I hate to say it, but for anything to make sense I believe we have to pretend that that wasn't Scott and Ororo that were seen when Xavier used Cerebro in First CLass; and we have to pretend that it wasn't Scott or Emma in Origins.

My sincere hope is that they take appropriate steps not to ravage the timeline any more than they already have going forward...

I always go by the rule if we aren't told when film takes place or if character Isn't mentioned directly on screen or In credits It isn't the character.

There was no way that could be cyclops and storm as kids In cerebro sequenze In First Class.I have always gone with the that wasn't really emma frost In origins.I suspected part of reason she was killed was to say once and for all that wasn't emma frost In Origins.

It won't surprise me If they totally ignore everything about last stand and origins per Lauren shueller Donnor's comments to fans about forgetting those films.X-men,X2,and the wolverine have been erased too but they may play some homage to those films.

even In DOFP they had wolverine In New york when the mind switch happened when he should have been In vietnam and they did all they could to get fans to only remember the X-Men/X2 version of weapon X not the origins
one.

The only limitions for Apocalypse Is future scene at end of DOFP

we know Iceman,rogue,Kitty,and Colossus can't be In Apocalypse

Beast eventully accepting of his true nature

Storm,Jean,and Cyclops will become Halle Berry,Famke Janssen,and James Marsden versions.

I would prefer ages to remain consent but like nutrek that may not happen.

 

[Majik1387]

Although I do agree that X1 through X3, the Wolverine and Origins, all now didn't happen (possibly) in the new timeline, the ages of characters is something that is finite.

No, they aren't.

Either the character was born or not. If the character still exists then they were born on the same day (or around the same day) as they did in the original timeline.

Not so.

I hate to say it, but for anything to make sense I believe we have to pretend that that wasn't Scott and Ororo that were seen when Xavier used Cerebro in First CLass; and we have to pretend that it wasn't Scott or Emma in Origins.

So be it.

My sincere hope is that they take appropriate steps not to ravage the timeline any more than they already have going forward...

They haven't ravaged anything.

I always go by the rule if we aren't told when film takes place or if character Isn't mentioned directly on screen or In credits It isn't the character.

There was no way that could be cyclops and storm as kids In cerebro sequenze In First Class.I have always gone with the that wasn't really emma frost In origins.I suspected part of reason she was killed was to say once and for all that wasn't emma frost In Origins.

Those were most definitely Scott and Ororo in First Class as cameos, the same way Steve Bacic cameo-ed as human Beast in the television interview in X2. A nice nod for fans, but nothing concrete the character has to follow when actually introduced in the movie.

It won't surprise me If they totally ignore everything about last stand and origins per Lauren shueller Donnor's comments to fans about forgetting those films.X-men,X2,and the wolverine have been erased too but they may play some homage to those films.

I guarantee that X1, X2, and The Wolverine won't be entirely ignored post-DoFP, since the first two were Singer's, and the latter Donnor had a heavy hand in.

even In DOFP they had wolverine In New york when the mind switch happened when he should have been In vietnam and they did all they could to get fans to only remember the X-Men/X2 version of weapon X not the origins one.

Exactly.

The only limitions for Apocalypse Is future scene at end of DOFP

Exactly.

we know Iceman,rogue,Kitty,and Colossus can't be In Apocalypse

At least not in the 80s era; if there's still talk of using original trilogy cast, I'm sure they'd be used in DoFP fixed future era.

Beast eventully accepting of his true nature

Storm,Jean,and Cyclops will become Halle Berry,Famke Janssen,and James Marsden versions.

Exactly.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I agree Vaughn probally threw them In the cerebro sequenze In FC to appear to be Cyclops and Storm.One of more problemtic things he did In First Class.
But,like the emma frost and Boliver trask issues they need to let go of it.

There has been talk of moving to status quo of earlier Singer films with Xavier opening school,although that would happpen regardless,and Magneto and Mystique becoming realigned somehow.They also talked about nicholas Hoult as beast becoming more like Kelsey Grammer's beast.Possibly the only connection they want to Last Stand Is Grammer as Beast.

If they do future scenes yeah rogue,Iceman,Kitty,and Colossus could appear.The question Is will they.If they want to show Apocalypse's past before moving to 1983 then an end sequeze In future may be only opportunity to do something with Original Cast not hugh jackman.

They are In delicate situation going Into Apocalypse.They want a certain freedom and be able to free themselves of Origins and Last Stand but they don't want fans to totally disregard X-men and X2 and possiblly the wolverine since they are doing another wolverine film.That Is why In one of many Interviews Kinberg talked about alternate versions of past films happening.

In earlier draft Mystique actully joined with Xavier and Beast and In fuutre scene she and beast were teaching a class and rogue apparently wasn't going to have white streak in new future.So they could have gone even more like all films were erased.I have suspecion Singer may have wanted to open door for some alternate version of his films to happen even though it was his idea for Xavier to convince mystique not to kill Trask and for styker who finds wolverine at end to actully be mystique.

In origins the gambit used was more like ultimate version of being mainly a card player.with Donner's statements it's possable the more thief gambit from 616 may be one Channing Tatum will play.That Gambit has an entire background with thieves and assassins guilds which could sustain a solo film.

 

[Super Jim]

Originally Posted by Super Jim
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Although I do agree that X1 through X3, the Wolverine and Origins, all now didn't happen (possibly) in the new timeline, the ages of characters is something that is finite.

No, they aren't.

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Either the character was born or not. If the character still exists then they were born on the same day (or around the same day) as they did in the original timeline.

Not so.

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I hate to say it, but for anything to make sense I believe we have to pretend that that wasn't Scott and Ororo that were seen when Xavier used Cerebro in First CLass; and we have to pretend that it wasn't Scott or Emma in Origins.

So be it.

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My sincere hope is that they take appropriate steps not to ravage the timeline any more than they already have going forward...

They haven't ravaged anything.

The fact that you had to even respond to all of this shows just how convoluted (ravaged) the X-Men movie-verse is. Since you're so unwilling to admit the obvious, let me give you some simple examples...

- Havok being older than Scott.
- Banshee being dead (kind of hard to have a daughter when you're dead)
- Moira McTaggert as a CIA agent after we saw her at Muir Issland (where she belongs)
- Diamond Girl (Emma Frost) in Origins and then the older Emma in First Class
- Emma being dead???
- Young Scott and young Ororo seen during use of Cerebro in First Class
- The Cyclops from Origins
- Deadpool (maybe it's not a continuity error, but he was so bad I figured I'd list him)
- Never being able to see Gambit with Rogue.
- Rogue not having Ms. Marvel's powers.
- Warpath being a teenager in the mid-2020's.
- Callisto sucking
- Leech sucking

I'm sure there are plenty I'm missing. The point is that due to the decisions they have made there are somethings that we'll never get, some of which bothers many fans.

You say the age of characters doesn't metter, but if they are making movies that take place in different time periods, and they want the movies to apply to the same timeline, then you are wrong and most definitely the ages matter.

You say that I am wrong when I say the age of a character is finite. Well, let me tell you about the birds and the bees, since you don't seem to understand them. See, a woman has these eggs, and the man has these things called sperm. One sperm combines with the egg to make a person. So if a person was alive in timeline A and was born in say 1973, and then some bozo goes back in time and messes with the timeline, but that person still exists in the future in timeline B, well the same egg and sperm must have been used to create them. That means that their birthday, their age, is indeed finite!

Look, can they do whatever they want?

Sure, they can have Biship and Blink at 80 year olds in 1983 if they want, but it doesn't make it right!

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Origins was erased; they don't have to follow that movie for anything.

Wolverine came to past to modify events (thats why Origins Trilogy theWolverine are erased), not to modify date of birth of characters.

 

[Majik1387]

And in modifying events, births can be modified as well.

 

[Super Jim]

^ No, they can't, not significantly.

Yes, maybe the changes to the past causes someone to be born a day or two early or late. Or maybe the whole butterfly effect causes a premature birth or something. But generally we're talking the same egg and sperm, which means the same person, which means the same birthday, which means the same age.

This is finite and can't be affected by changing the past. If the person is still in the future, then they were born at the same time as they were in the original timeline.

 

[Majik1387]

Yes, they can.

 

[pavlov]

No. If a different set of sperm and egg cells germinate, then a different person would be born, even if they come from the same set of people. Real life example, you and your siblings are not exact clones of one another even though you come from the same gene pool. To insist on the contrary is small-minded.